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Dang! My old joke is re-used!! :D (Although I can't find where I used it before. I could have sworn...)

 

Anyways, since TFU is the 'Expanded Universe' project of the year, maybe it has some tie-ins with the upcoming Clone Wars series? Maybe some connections with the things we will see in the animated series?

It could very well be we discover the Apprentice past like the Kotor comics explained Revan's past. :)

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Anyways, since TFU is the 'Expanded Universe' project of the year, maybe it has some tie-ins with the upcoming Clone Wars series?
I'd think it'd be make more sense if it'd tie in with the upcoming Live-Action TV Series.

Well, I don't see why can't both be involved: The Apprentice's past will be the connection with the Clone Wars (I'm such a fan of flashbacks). The Apprentice's present, and the period you're playing, will be related to the Tv series.

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Please guys, basic math:

 

We have SEEN Vaders face. We KNOW the game takes place between 19 bby and 1 bby (bby being 'before battle of Yavin' )

Since Vader doesn't look old, there are still Jedi around (Maris Brood, Kotha, Shak Tii) we know it isn't that far into this time periode.

Furthermore, Luke was 19 years old in 0 bby, the time of the Episode 4 movie. :)

 

a) Apprentice looks OLDER then a 19 year old Luke

b) Game takes place BEFORE Luke is 19, in any case YEARS before the movies

 

Conclusion: Let's put the game in 10 bby, 10 years before Episode 4. It makes the apprentice an (to round it down) 20 year old guy, who could *at MOST* have been trained from 19 bby, the year Vader become the feared guy we know today. So, even with such a young 'guesses' age, he was 10 years old when he was found.

 

How can he the NOT be a padawan of the Old Republic Jedi?

Again, this 'guess' goes with the thought he's twenty in the game. For every year older, another year of Clone Wars for him to fight in.

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I didn't know looks counted as math. It's not because he LOOKS older that he IS. Anyway, if you place the game in 10BBY, and he is 20 years old in 10BBY, then he must've been 11 at the time of the Great Jedi Purge. Fighting in the Clone Wars?! I don't think so. Further more, if he was a Jedi trained by a Jedi Knight, then surely his training couldn't have been so complete (him being only 11 years old when his master probably died or went into hiding) he'd only need one year training with Vader.

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Sorry, but couldn't find another wordt for 'math' since I'm not a native speaker of English.

 

First of, let me post some facts:

13 year old COMMANDER in the Clone Wars:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Whie_Malreaux

 

Also, Obi-Wan:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obi-Wan

Was 25 years old when he became a knight and quited beiing a Padawan

 

Luke only had less then 1 year of training when facing Vader (since TESB is set in 3 aby http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Empire_Strikes_Back

And Return of the Jedi in 4 aby http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi

 

So...

1) 11 years old was the LOWEST age guess. Since Sam Witwer (the actor protraying him) is 31, I suppose the studio go for a 25-year old. This could possibly make him 15 in the Clone Wars. Even IF TFU takes place in 10 bby. Who knows? Maybe it's even earlier.

I have no reason to believe he can't absolutely be a Jedi youngling or even a padawan at the Clone Wars timeline.

2) A Jedi can become powerfull in a short time (which, obviously Revan, Annakin and Luke proof)

 

Again, sorry about my last post, should have supported it with facts.

 

PS:Can't get the url tags to work. It's url=*the url* right? (without all the spaces in between)

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Apart from the fact that I think a 13 year old Commander in a war like the Clone Wars is plane stupid, I think this is one of the exceptions. I also think that by the time Vader has trained the SA, the SA is considered to be FULLY trained, which can't be said of Luke.

 

Revan isn't proof of quickly becoming powerful, as he was already trained from when he was kid, and those few weeks of training after his identity had been stripped away from him are no indication. Anakin began his training at the age of 10-11. I the case of Luke, he was already powerful, yes, but in many ways, he still wasn't ready to be a fully Jedi Knight. His stories after the Battle of Endor indicate that.

 

But hell, it's Star Wars, everything is possible. You may well be right, we'll see. :)

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Well, perhaps he didn't fought because he wanted, but because he had to. An invading CIS army attacking his remote homeworld, for instance. The desperate population arm themselves and everyone that can carry a weapon, the SA included.

 

Or perhaps he didn't fought it, but saw it happening to near. Enough to chew the blood stink.

 

That's two of the many possible scenarios. What we do know is that he lived on the peak of the Clone Wars at a young age.

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Actor Age is not really a prove, look at Ep1 Padme.

 

Well, being young is not an excuse for being not skilled in the battle arts, "In the XXX XXXXXX of the XXX XXXXXXXXX There Is Only War"... Kids can get involved in the battlefield at a really young age. Obviously this might be true for warring tribes and families of traveling mercs and what not, but even more so in warring/invaded terratory. Its also a sad but true fact RL where even real young kids are running around with AKs willingly or not.

 

Plus, with cloning and what not available... the Clones are just a few years old.

 

I was always thinking about the chance of him being a garbage thrown away to the eternal damnation of AgriCorps by the jedi order. But since it is said that he has no jedi type training this is probably not true.

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Little breakthrough here!

 

Some new info has been leaked by an early Graphic Novel preview, which you can find here:

http://forums.lucasarts.com/thread.jspa?threadID=130223&tstart=0

 

His mother died defending Kashyyk and his father is killed by Vader, after which Vader finds the boy and trains him.

According to the people who have read the whol preview, the SA is the son of two Jedi. His mother died defending the wookies, his father was killed by Darth Vader. Afterwards, Vader finds the boy and decides to train him.

 

This IS supported by more information, since we know the first level of the game has the player playing Vader on the afformentioned planet. Also, a cheatcode with the action figures says, if you type 'Wookie' in the game, you'll unlock the Apprentice's fathers costume. :)

 

Now...what Jedi are known to be alive on Kashyyk in this time? The one I can think of right now is Quinlan Vos. But his wife isn't a Jedi...

 

(also, the Wookiepedia

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Hopefully you get the point....

 

 

 

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1) The Emperor knows NOTHING of the Secret Apprentice 2) He is the son of a fallen Jedi 3) He is EXTREMELY powerful, much more than anyone we have seen thus far.... These are some of the core "statements" made about the Secret Apprentice on the Force Unleashed offical website. He is also around 20 or so judging by his apperance, very tan, brown eyes, and black hair. In the picture below you will see why I believe I am correct.

 

I believe the Secret Apprentice is Korto Vos- Son of once fallen -!BUT!- redeemed jedi master Quinlan Vos. The reasons are obvious from the eye/hair/skin color, saber combat style, the armor which he wears looks much like Quinlan Vos' armor, and the place he was at the time would place him in the right area for Vader to grab him up (Kashyyyk).

 

This would put Korto Vos as the son of a fallen jedi (redeemed or not), right age (was born 18 BBY) [bBY means Before the Battle of Yavin which took place in Episode four "A New Hope"] which would make him around 17-18 years old, right place (Kashyyyk), and because of his genetic "gifts" he is able to do more with the force than a human force sensitive ever could. "Vos was gifted with psychometric powers which allowed him to "read memories" from inanimate objects through physical contact." With these genetic "power boosts", its no shock that Vader would hand pick him to train. Also- since the Emperor isn't suppose to know he exists it makes since that he would be part of this story as his father was thought to be killed earlier, and since Jedi are not supposed to have kids the Emperor may have missed it. Whats that? The Emperor wouldn't make such a mistake? Wouldn't let them survive you say??? LUKE AND LEIA!!! Period- end of discussion.

 

The only hole I can find in this is that Korto had a yellow tattoo same as his father... - While it could have been hidden or removed, I think this is the best match. It should also be mentioned that in that comic "Star Wars Republic", he was originally going to be killed off on Kashyyyk, however George Lucas stepped in and said that he wanted him from something "special" at a later date, do not kill him off. Let me know what you guys think!

 

*This was originally posted on Wookiepedia but was deleted no less than 1 minute after being posted- by the site administrators no less.... What makes me mad is that there are many many threads about who he may be, who the father is, and age- however mine is the one that gets tossed out.*

 

*New information- I read the comic again and in the pictures I see Q. Vos applying the "tattoo" and I believe this is more of a "marking" than a tattoo as it is not applied with a needle meaning that this could just be wiped off...*

 

Something else- Appartently in the prologue of this game you play as Darth Vader on Kashyyyk searching for a Jedi. My idea is that maybe he finds Jedi Master Vos and his Wife... and kills the mother, possibly wounding Vos so badly Vader thinks he is dead and about that time he sees the boy approaching. Quickly Vader understands that another Jedi has a child. Vader wants an apprentice..... 1+1= 2.... So Vader puts on this mask of "I just found them like this, if you join me you could train under me and then with the power of the dark side, hunt down your parents killers"... the child accepts- Vader takes the boy, raises him, trains him (much like Darth Sidious did with the child... Darth Maul). I also *THINK* that towards the end of this game that Korto Vos learns of his parents murder and leaves Vaders side- and searches for his father who is rumored to be alive.

 

I could very well be wrong- if I am, I get a new ending and story than I though, and I win. If im right, ill feel good about nailing the story and I win. Either way... I win.

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Vos's child does have a certain appeal to it too. What I think is more likely....

 

 

1) The Emperor knows NOTHING of the Secret Apprentice 2) He is the son of a fallen Jedi 3) He is EXTREMELY powerful, much more than anyone we have seen thus far.... These are some of the core "statements" made about the Secret Apprentice on the Force Unleashed offical website. He is also around 20 or so judging by his apperance, very tan, brown eyes, and black hair. In the picture below you will see why I believe I am correct.

 

He doesn't have to be that old. He could be the son of Etain from the Republic Commando books. He'd be one of the son's of one of Delta Squad, so would bear a strong resemblance to Jango Fett. He'd have high midichlorians as the child of a fallen jedi (which she is fallen, but as of the 3rd book still fighting on the side of the republic, but definitely not yet a sith either).

 

As far as aparent age, his father had a gene to make him age faster, and Etain force grew him in the womb faster in order to hide her preganancy from the Jedi Order. Since clones grow at 2x - 4x the normal rate, he could be about 10 years or even a little less.

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Korto was born in 18 BBY, that would mean he'd be 20 a year after A new Hope which cant be right as this is set "Between" the trilogies. I'm guessing his parents are yet unknown, as the most documented Jedi on Kashyyyk are Luminara Unduli, Yoda and Quin' Vos, and two of those are green, there was an Asian looking Jedi hiding there though called Kai Justiss http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kai_Justiss

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