Ben Paddon Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Well he didn't write Episodes IV or V. He outlined the story but they were written by someone else. He wrote VI, and that's noticeable by a dip in the quality of the dialogue (it's probably the weakest of the original trilogy). Lucas didn't have any Yes Men when IV and V were in development, so if he said, "Hey, let's do this crazy thing!" and people said "Er, no," he's probably gone back and changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 ^well, that's good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Actually, it isn't. It's because he had his Yes Men around during episode VI onwards that we ended up with things like Ewoks, Jar Jar, stiff dialogue, Midi-chlorians, Hayden Christensen inserted into the end of RotJ, over nine-thousand instances of "NOOOO!!!", and Princess Leia telling Luke in RotJ that somehow she'd "always known" they were siblings despite the fact that she'd kissed him in ANH. And we wouldn't have had that "I love you" / "I know" exchange from TESB - Lucas originally wanted something a lot wordier from Han, and pretty much everyone, Harrison Ford included, said that was very against character. So it was shortened. They never even shot it. Lucas is nowhere near the legendary director and storyteller people make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman794 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 oh, right....i remember that..... oook...so, not good..hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Y'know, you'll never enjoy it unless you see past whatever 'flaws' there seem to be (I can't see any, TBH). Why not just accept it take them for what they are - a good bit of Space Fantasy. I don't care if the actings wooden, or if GL's done it 'wrong'. That man's universe has kept me constantly enthralled for the past 10 years. They're great films, with great stories, and I for one wouldn't (with the exception of adding deleted scenes) change a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Have on Astor, step back a minute. You're telling me that if you had a time machine and could go back to 1998 during production of The Phantom Meance that you wouldn't try to stop Lucas from including Jar Jar? Really? I used to respect you, man. You used to be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpentine Cougar Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 ^ Dude. Ouch. You could say (if you agree with this article) that it wouldn't be Star Wars if there wasn't anything you disliked about it. So if he changed it and made it "perfect," it wouldn't be Star Wars anymore! /half-serious And whatever changes he does make would, for the most part, be aesthetic, anyway; small details that don't change the plot and have the potential to make the movies look cooler but also the potential to annoy a lot of fans (whose inherent nature is to nitpick every little detail). For example, he changed the ghost in ep 6 to Mr. Christiansen. Now the two trilogies look a slight bit more consistent with each other, but it riled a lot of fans. But it doesn't really change the plot one bit. As far as the story is concerned, it's still the same ghost of the same character. The plot doesn't care if Yoda was a puppet or a CG model, either. With whatever changes he will or won't make, in effect George is just nitpicking the movies, and we're nitpicking his nitpicking of the movies. It's rather inconsequential, in my opinion. At the end of the day, it's still Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Have on Astor, step back a minute. You're telling me that if you had a time machine and could go back to 1998 during production of The Phantom Meance that you wouldn't try to stop Lucas from including Jar Jar? Really? I used to respect you, man. You used to be cool. Actually I would not mind JarJar if GL would reduce his part to around 25% and requce most of his dialogues. He is just too overplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Y'know, you'll never enjoy it unless you see past whatever 'flaws' there seem to be (I can't see any, TBH). Why not just accept it take them for what they are - a good bit of Space Fantasy. I don't care if the actings wooden, or if GL's done it 'wrong'. That man's universe has kept me constantly enthralled for the past 10 years. They're great films, with great stories, and I for one wouldn't (with the exception of adding deleted scenes) change a thing! Well said, Astor. It's easy for us to sit back and complain as nit-picking fans, but the fact is that we are here on a SW board still complaining about the movies, and we wouldn't even be here unless we loved the movies in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Paddon Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Well said, Astor. It's easy for us to sit back and complain as nit-picking fans, but the fact is that we are here on a SW board still complaining about the movies, and we wouldn't even be here unless we loved the movies in some way. We wouldn't be here were it not for the original trilogy. If Lucas had chosen not to make the prequels, would we still be here? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Of course we (clucking - Ed.) would. The prequel trilogy is something that was thrust upon us after years of anticipation and mostly failed to live up to expectations. RotS was good, and so far as I'm concerned was actually better than Return of the Jedi (which is the weak link in the original trilogy), but it doesn't redeem the first two films. TPM was a two-hour toy commercial. It was terrible. AotC has some redeeming qualities but is still structurally unsound. That said, you clearly can't please everyone. The people who enjoy the prequels will always reach for the standard "oh, the people who didn't like it just like to whine" argument. The people who didn't enjoy them will usually refer to the people who did as "casual" fans, and there's no middle ground there. The prequel trilogy has done something much worse than enraging a bunch of scifi fans. The prequel trilogy has split the community in much the same way Star Trek: Enterprise split the Trek community. I don't doubt that the Clone Wars movie and the impending television series - both of them - won't split the fandom further. We have a future of (stitching - Ed.), moaning and arguing ahead of us. I hope you're all looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Those are all valid points. I certainly enjoyed the OT more than the prequels, and I agree that RotS was the only comparable movie in quality (and probably better than RotJ), but I still loved the prequels because they are part of the SW Universe, and for as much as people complain about them, they do have some redeeming qualities. They are only scrutinized so much because the fan base is so devoted. Either way, I don't mind people scrutinizing the films beyond belief - it's to their own detriment in my opinion. I'll enjoy additions to the SW Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 They are only scrutinized so much because the fan base is so devoted Agreed Either way, I don't mind people scrutinizing the films beyond belief - it's to their own detriment in my opinion. I'll enjoy additions to the SW Universe. QFT, I enjoy the prequels, and I enjoy the OT, and I can separate them, see them as a 6 part saga or whatever, It's how George wanted them, and I accept that, but some people cant... they expected George to bring out something for them, as a personal thank you for 23 years service, ESB part II etc, and when he didn't.... lets just say there were a lot of tearful 40 year olds lol. the prequels were for the next generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 the prequels were for the next generation. That's a good point, although I'd argue that the prequels were aimed at both the next generation and the "tearful 40 year olds". Perhaps that's why they are criticized so heavily, because they tried to cater to both. The problem with that strategy is that the areas that were as good as the OT, or at least were done in the same style, are forgotten by most because of things like Jar-Jar Binks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted May 16, 2008 Author Share Posted May 16, 2008 George Lucas has one hell of a vision, and he's a great editor. I think the prequels aren't as bad as the rap they get. Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men. I completely love all six films, but I agree with the yes men point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I think that it will probably happen eventually. Not anytime soon, but eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 George Lucas has one hell of a vision, and he's a great editor. I think the prequels aren't as bad as the rap they get. Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men. Definitely. GL is good, but far from perfect. GL have the vision, he got a great idea of a epic story (modified by good opinions back then) and an eye of cool visual effects and colorful characters and memorable scenes. On the other hand, We all know that GL sucks at writing dialogues, he was sucky at it back in the OT, and the OT dialogues we know and see are edited by the ators and "a certain now great director" and what not. But now, no one dares to complain about the dialogues being unreasonable, or could have been better, or... its all the yes men you get from jabba's palace. Obvious difference in style would be the famous: "I love you." "I know" which is edited by other opinions, versus the crappy so-called love scenes between Anakin and Padme with the worst dialogues ever. If that is any indication to GL's ability to romance, i weep for Mrs. Lucas. Same can be said about the overabundance of eyecandy scenes in PT and the overly loaded humor sequences (like JarJar, and more) Oh, and bad/mediocore acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I could definitely see prequel special editions happening. Hopefully there will be at least an attempt to cut out Jar Jar, he had very little impact on the storyline so theres a chance it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I could definitely see prequel special editions happening. Hopefully there will be at least an attempt to cut out Jar Jar, he had very little impact on the storyline so theres a chance it could be done. Actually he played one big role in Ep. 3 when he offers Palpatine emergency powers and of course there will be a special edition, probably to make more money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurges-Ahter Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Jar-Jar also led Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to the Gungans, and commanded a Gungan army against the droid army on Naboo. I'd say those were pretty important parts to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Actually he played one big role in Ep. 3 when he offers Palpatine emergency powers Lmao, thats what you call a big role? All they have to do is have a different senator offer them to him, and they probably still have the original film so they could just put a different CG character over the top of that black guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpentine Cougar Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Maybe he's not important in later episodes, but he's integral to the story of Episode 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 and besides at points Jar-jar is pretty funny, (mainly because he's so dumb in ep.1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Maybe he's not important in later episodes, but he's integral to the story of Episode 1. In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 he trips over everything, he sets of a droid, in watto's shop, and he tries to steal some food in front of the shop owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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