Decision '08.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

You are correct sir. Because of all the generosity, pulling Europe out of 2 world wars, humanitarin aid, promoting freedom, spreading freedom, and fighting for the inocent and oppressed. So yes I care less for the comments of thankless nations.

These are the kind of ideas that create terrorists.

 

What's so ludicris? Elaborate please.

Hos in different area codes.

 

What country are you from. Without us you'd be speaking German. I know saving your tails is getting old. But it's because we ae a nation that fought for you. We did for France and Iraq and haven't gotten anything in return. We're not getting oil from Iraq.

Read jon's post about the Russians.

 

Now I'm going down stairs to eat my steak and baked potato while you eat your baloney and cabage. A little joke for ya. lol.

Little = not funny?

[tk102]

Drop the WWII discussion. Back on topic. Posts may be deleted without warning.

[EnderWiggin]

And you won't be able then to say it was a failed war when we walk out of there victorous. When we leave is up to the commanders on the ground actually fighting the war. Not politions in cooshy chairs. Or at least they shouldn't be the ones to say how the conditions are.

 

You know how they call the president the commander-in-chief of the armed forces? It's for a reason. He's got the leadership role in that he hears about how the conditions are from his generals and then decides what he wants to do. Because it is his call.

You prefer him. I prefer McCain. I care less what other countries that don't have our interests at heart think. And more about what we are doing to fight terrorism and secure us world wide.

So you'd rather America was the saviour () of all? When did we get put in charge of the entire world?

Welfare means we that are working ahve to pay for you sitting on your butt doing nothing, but collecting a check for being a lazy slug.

 

Offensive and just plain wrong in some cases.

With McCain everyone according to what he's said he's said if he gets in everyone gets a tax cut. And no not the wealthiest 1 percent according to those who say that.

 

Suuuure.

As far as energy is concerned a lot of the technology isn't there yet as far as alternatives.

 

Some is, and we're working on the rest of it.

 

What happens with these wind devices is it's like these prapellers attached to these poles which when the perpeller spins to powers a generator. Even when down here there is no wind up how far they extend there is wind.

The problems some have with it is that it can confuse bats and shred them. Also it's an eye sore if it's put in someone's yard.

Who has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?

So for right now oil we need. I'm for drilling at home. It was on the table to drill during the Clinton years to drill in Anwar, but was not passed. Had it been improved back then gas prices might be lower because we'd have more oil.

 

There's a ton of land that's been bought for the oil companies to drill on, but just hasn't been tapped yet. Let's drill there before destroying the environment, kay?

We could be fully independent of foreign oil if we drill here.

 

Respectfully, that's bull****. And it's too bad the language filter is going to star that out.

 

Sarah feels we should drill in her state. Alaska's gas prices are the hightest in the nation at last check. In my opinion screw the caraboo. Drill.

[/QUOTe]

 

What the ****? The caribou are an innocent species. What gives us the right to kill millions of them in the name of wealth?

In my opinion being energy independent is more important than caraboo.

 

Already called you on this BS, but here's another question: You do know that oil will eventually run out, right?

I would love to not use oil and at the same time be energy independent. But right now the technology isn't there yet. And the wind power thing people have disputes with.

Again, if we would focus on developing those technologies, we wouldn't have this problem. And again, source on the bats?

 

 

No because too many wouldn't want that. I think it should be up to individual states to decide whether to aloow or disallow abortions in their own states. It's not afair to either side to say no abortions. Or to say abortions for all.

 

Then people from one state will just go to another to get an abortion.

 

Why isn't it fair for them to say abortions for all? Then, the people who would choose it can choose it and the people that wouldn't choose it won't choose it.

That's unfair to both sides. It should be in this state you can get an abortion, but over in this state you cannot. It's just more fair in my opinion.

Explain how it's more fair to decide based on location in the state. If they said no abortions in Pennsylvania, but yes abortions in Jersey, then what about the people right there in Philly? They're really close to New Jersey, so are they allowed to go get one? If not, why not? If so, why have the law in the first place?

 

Three words. The Second Amendment. Right to bare arms. If I want to have a gun in my house to defend against intruders it in my opinion is not the government's job to go against the second amendment.

 

Assault rifles in the inner city aren't in the spirit of the law.

 

 

It's not our job to kiss the butt of nations doing wrong. A lot of the world doesn't like us because they are jelous of all the accomplishments, how generous we are, how we pulled countires out of 2 worlds wars, how we've spread freedom so quickly,

How about how we're hypocritical and imperialistic? It is our job to live together in peace with the other humans on the Earth.

They think we are bullies because of our power. Without us Hilter would rule, comunism would be throughtout the world, and freedom would be little.

 

This is the problem with America today. Arrogance.

 

We need a wall. We have the right to defend our borders.

We need a working immigration system.

And I believe when you come in you learn English. It's the language of the land. When you go into another country and plan to live there in my opinion you should learn their language.

 

Thanks, Devon:

Go through the process to become a U.S. citizin And pay the taxes. The rest of us have to.

 

Some are trying. It's not as simple as you imply.

 

So you don't care that America is often seen as a bullying, imperialistic menace by many in the world at large?

 

It makes me sad to be an American sometimes.

 

What country are you from. Without us you'd be speaking German.

 

 

_EW_

[El Sitherino]

You guys are all forgetting one thing, McCain and party will re-label contraception as abortion, effectively removing any insurance company from covering any percentage of it.

 

No more condoms, no more birth control.

 

Have fun with that, I'm getting ready for Europe.

 

Edit:

 

 

Additional fact, McCain opposes a current attempt to get all insurance companies to provide coverage for birth control. Not only does it prevent conception for the most part but many of these medications have the ability to relieve problematic symptoms of the menstrual cycle. Obama and Biden have both voted for this to pass, as well as Hillary Clinton (it was one of her largest topics with women when she was campaigning, and one of her policies I greatly agreed with).

The fact that even low level insurance (medicare) will cover for viagra but at best 15%, after paying the entire cost up front giving back the 13% in check-through-mail, on birth control is disgraceful and shows the lack of concern.

[EnderWiggin]

You guys are all forgetting one thing, McCain and party will re-label contraception as abortion, effectively removing any insurance company from covering any percentage of it.

 

No more condoms, no more birth control.

 

Have fun with that, I'm getting ready for Europe.

 

I'm coming, Siffeh, wait for me.

as well as Hillary Clinton (it was one of her largest topics with women when she was campaigning, and one of her policies I greatly agreed with).

Agreed.

 

_EW_

[Litofsky]

You guys are all forgetting one thing, McCain and party will re-label contraception as abortion, effectively removing any insurance company from covering any percentage of it.

 

No more condoms, no more birth control.

 

Have fun with that, I'm getting ready for Europe.

My mom's already said that we'll move out of America if McCain is elected. While she was joking, I think I'll start packing my bags- just in case.

 

 

Additional fact, McCain opposes a current attempt to get all insurance companies to provide coverage for birth control. Not only does it prevent conception for the most part but many of these medications have the ability to relieve problematic symptoms of the menstrual cycle. Obama and Biden have both voted for this to pass, as well as Hillary Clinton (it was one of her largest topics with women when she was campaigning, and one of her policies I greatly agreed with).

The fact that even low level insurance (medicare) will cover for viagra but at best 15%, after paying the entire cost up front giving back the 13% in check-through-mail, on birth control is disgraceful and shows the lack of concern.

 

Another reason to vote Obama. I don't think that he'll accomplish everything he accomplished, but Obama is definitely a smarter, more logical choice than McCain.

[El Sitherino]

I'm already understanding that Obama will be extremely neutered in what he can do in office, not only because he's the first black president, but also because he'd be a very publicized change. People will be all over him because of the mess created by Bush.

I also have my disagreements with his policy, but by and large I know the faulty ideas will be met with opposition of more favorable ideas.

 

People seem to think that like McCain, Obama is unwilling to listen to another person.

[Litofsky]

I'm already understanding that Obama will be extremely neutered in what he can do in office, not only because he's the first black president, but also because he'd be a very publicized change. People will be all over him because of the mess created by Bush.

I also have my disagreements with his policy, but by and large I know the faulty ideas will be met with opposition of more favorable ideas.

Quote for truth. Obama may not be perfect, but I prefer him over McCain (by a long shot). Even just willing to sit down and talk with other nations makes more sense then what McCain is offering.

 

People seem to think that like McCain, Obama is unwilling to listen to another person.

An anti-American stereotype, perhaps?

[El Sitherino]

An anti-American stereotype, perhaps?

 

As in Obama is anti-American or the phrase?

 

I personally think it's just neo-conservative people acting as though McCain is above judgment because he represents their ideals. Which are obviously the correct ones.

[Litofsky]

"Because I think that actually talking to our enemies is stupid, anyone who supports said ideal is automatically stupid."

 

I believe we call it "ignorance?"

[El Sitherino]

Did anyone hear Huckabee just talking about how he's Republican not because he's rich and how he's rich because he didn't sit around waiting for the government to give him money?

 

But we keep hearing about the tax return policies of McCain. That's money from the government people, so I call bull****.

[Litofsky]

Did anyone hear Huckabee just talking about how he's Republican not because he's rich and how he's rich because he didn't sit around waiting for the government to give him money?

 

But we keep hearing about the tax return policies of McCain. That's money from the government people, so I call bull****.

 

I did. Something about showers, and lava?

 

Either way, I nearly laughed myself silly. I thought his gay-bashing was quite funny. Something about how marriage only meant "men-women." It amazes me how illogical some people can be... Personally, I think that what you do and who you do it with is between you and that person. Why should the government interfere?

 

But that's an opinion now, isn't it?

[mimartin]

The fact that even low level insurance (medicare) will cover for viagra but at best 15%, after paying the entire cost up front giving back the 13% in check-through-mail, on birth control is disgraceful and shows the lack of concern.

I’m not doubting you El Sitherino, but do you have source for this information? I have been trying to find it, but all the information I see says it is up to the individual states. I did find where it was estimated in 2002 about 17 million women were in need of publicly funded contraceptive coverage. It also said, every $1.00 spent on family planning including birth control saves Medicaid $3.00 in prenatal and newborn care cost. So of course, the Republicans will be against Medicaid funded birth control, it saves money.

[Druganator]

The difference is one of those holes we should be sat in... And the other we shouldn't be in - it would also seem to me Afghanistan needs more attention than Iraq these days anyways.

i dont deny Afghanistan is more worthy of our resources i was simply stating that Obama wouldnt be removing our troops from harms way. I'm for Obama by the by

[El Sitherino]

I’m not doubting you El Sitherino, but do you have source for this information? I have been trying to find it, but all the information I see says it is up to the individual states. I did find where it was estimated in 2002 about 17 million women were in need of publicly funded contraceptive coverage. It also said, every $1.00 spent on family planning including birth control saves Medicaid $3.00 in prenatal and newborn care cost. So of course, the Republicans will be against Medicaid funded birth control, it saves money.

 

I'm afraid I must confess my source on this is actually from being in clinics and observing what happens when people actually go to obtain their birth control (or attempt to). As for publicly released information by companies and particular groups observations of this I must say remain short, as far as I'm aware of no one has made an actual attempt to look into this issue.

 

I chalk it up to people not having concern about this topic, but there is however great concern for countering erectile dysfunction.

 

i dont deny Afghanistan is more worthy of our resources i was simply stating that Obama wouldnt be removing our troops from harms way. I'm for Obama by the by

 

This is true, however much of Obama's staff is supportive of the idea about cycling our troops and actually allowing the down time and recovery these military personnel were promised. Unlike the treatment they currently get from the government that sends them out to fight in it's name.

[mimartin]

I'm afraid I must confess my source on this is actually from being in clinics and observing what happens when people actually go to obtain their birth control (or attempt to). As for publicly released information by companies and particular groups observations of this I must say remain short, as far as I'm aware of no one has made an actual attempt to look into this issue.[/Quote] Thanks. Then it may be on state-by-state basics. While I am all for state rights and leaving certain rules of government up to the individual states, this is one of my concerns where it crosses the line between individual rights. Why should the state someone lives in be the determining factor in deciding the quality of health care an American citizen receives?

 

I have no clue to why there is not more information on this. Imagine if this was being done by a private insurance provider.

 

The people that complain about low-income women having more children should complain to their state legislators instead of being mad at the women for doing what comes natural.

[Litofsky]

Is anyone else listening to Giuliani speaking? It's pretty funny- he basically said that McCain, as POTUS, will reduce the government and unnecessary spending.

 

"We need John McCain to save our economy."

 

Besides that, it's a bunch of Democrat bashing. Nothing productive, truth be told. Wouldn't it be great if both parties could work together for the country's benefit? [/pseudo-optimism]

[El Sitherino]

Imagine if this was being done by a private insurance provider.

Well, my health insurance only covers 4% and send you this by check after you pay the upfront cost which includes additional cost, the 4% does not include additional fees.

 

I have pretty high-end health insurance, I can get viagra at no cost to me, because that's what I as a 21 year old am concerned about.

 

Private insurance is the biggest fiend in the contraception battle, emergency contraception is usually not covered (this includes emergency contraception when dealing with rape).

And while I can't say this is exactly how it is all over, I can say that the fact it's happening and happening very often should make people feel ashamed at the quality of health in this nation and how the government values this.

 

Is anyone else listening to Giuliani speaking? It's pretty funny- he basically said that McCain, as POTUS, will reduce the government and unnecessary spending.

 

"We need John McCain to save our economy."

 

Besides that, it's a bunch of Democrat bashing. Nothing productive, truth be told. Wouldn't it be great if both parties could work together for the country's benefit? [/pseudo-optimism]

I've been noticing every night, not a single one of the average joe spearkers is actually talking about anything of value. It's all just "I'm proud to be an American. I know John McCain will do good because Obama is..."

 

While the DNC had it's fair share of mindless drivel, the RNC is nothing but attacks. It's like watching the high school debate when someone couldn't think of an actual counter so they cried out "At least I'm not a tacky dresser".

[Q]

Did anyone hear Huckabee just talking about how he's Republican not because he's rich and how he's rich because he didn't sit around waiting for the government to give him money?

 

But we keep hearing about the tax return policies of McCain. That's money from the government people, so I call bull****.

You're talking about it like it's the government's money in the first place. I respectfully beg to differ. It's ours.

 

While I think that tax cuts in the face of unbridled spending is foolhardy, I can't honestly say that I'm in favor of giving the government yet more of our money to waste. No matter who it's coming from, we'll all end up paying for it one way or another in the form of more expensive goods and services. How that money is spent is the real issue here. Until the rather unlikely event that this problem is addressed, increasing taxes would only be like pouring gas on a fire, IMO.

 

I see too many people here swallowing and then spouting the same dogma that the Democrats have been using for decades like it's gospel. It reeks of "Let's stick it to the man!" and it's a complete farce. I hate to tell you this, folks, but the Democrats are every bit as much "the man" as the Republicans, and I distrust the motives and dogma of both parties intensely.

 

And for those of you talking about democracy: democracy has not existed in this country for at least 75 years, and shows no sign of returning until the corrupt two-party system is either reformed or eliminated. Neither outcome is very likely, however.

 

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming (i.e., the delusion of democracy).

[Litofsky]

I hate to tell you this, folks, but the Democrats are every bit as much "the man" as the Republicans, and I distrust the motives and dogma of both parties intensely.

 

And for those of you talking about democracy: democracy has not existed in this country for at least 75 years, and shows no sign of returning until the corrupt two-party system is either reformed or eliminated. Neither outcome is very likely, however.

 

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming (i.e., the delusion of democracy).

 

After I read The Jungle, I'd tend to agree with you. In fact, I still do. However, the Democrats seem slightly more capable (and more logical) then the Republicans. Therefore, my hope lies with them.

 

Now, one might say that hope is a delusion: a way for the Power to continue controlling you and me. You might be right, and you might not. There's no way to know for sure. In the end, does it really matter which is true?

 

...which brings us back to, "Does your vote count?"

I've been noticing every night, not a single one of the average joe spearkers is actually talking about anything of value. It's all just "I'm proud to be an American. I know John McCain will do good because Obama is..."

 

While the DNC had it's fair share of mindless drivel, the RNC is nothing but attacks. It's like watching the high school debate when someone couldn't think of an actual counter so they cried out "At least I'm not a tacky dresser".

Agreed. Again, I dislike both parties to an extent, but I believe that the Democrats stand more chance of doing good then the Republicans.

[El Sitherino]

You're talking about it like it's the government's money in the first place. I respectfully beg to differ. It's ours.

 

It's tax money. Taxes are how we pay the government (the body that runs the nation) so that they can do things that governments do.

 

If you don't like taxes, you should recommend a better way to fund our nation as an entirety as opposed to each individual person.

 

On topic of the RNC:

I find it confusing that Palin is claiming the Republicans are the only ones that are going to do anything to help our energy issue.

[Q]

Now, one might say that hope is a delusion: a way for the Power to continue controlling you and me. You might be right, and you might not. There's no way to know for sure. In the end, does it really matter which is true?

It does to me. "Above all, to thine own self be true," and all that. It may be distasteful and downright ugly at times, but the search for truth is the most important aspect of the human condition, IMO, and without it life is pretty much pointless.

 

...which brings us back to, "Does your vote count?"

It is my sad belief that, presently, it does not.

 

It's tax money. Taxes are how we pay the government (the body that runs the nation) so that they can do things that governments do.

 

If you don't like taxes, you should recommend a better way to fund our nation as an entirety as opposed to each individual person.

Oh, I'm not saying that we should eliminate them; I'm saying that better methods of spending what is already being procured (extorted, really ) would make any increase unnecessary.

[Litofsky]

It does to me. "Above all, to thine own self be true," and all that. It may be distasteful and downright ugly at times, but the search for truth is the most important aspect of the human condition, IMO, and without it life is pretty much pointless.

No one ever said the truth was pretty. In fact, the truth sucks most of the time. Which is why we sugarcoat it in little things, and manipulate it. Sounds a bit like Kreia...

 

It is my sad belief that, presently, it does not.

To me, I hope our votes count, but I tend to agree. Which is rather sad.

[Arcesious]

Well I just listened to all the speeches the GOP just had (I started by hearing Guiliani)...

 

Guiliani is plain out attacking the Dems... He's so annoyingly negative!

Palin is a very nice, and much more positive, but she still wasn't makign much sense about how Mccain would solve things. Just more typical GOP tactics, avoiding the real solutions and pursuing the appealing ones. Typical flock-herding tactics. They talka bout energy independence and victory in Iraq... I'm sorry but that's just crazy. Their energy plans are not effective. And there is no dishonor in withdrawing from war.

[El Sitherino]

Palin contradicted herself and has effectively neutralized what the Republicans were using as her experience and justification.

 

She solved the economic problem by raising taxes and heavily taxing the oil businesses in Alaska and they saw a huge increase. Now she's stating the McCain plan is best.