Yar-El Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Poll: Obama and McCain are both unqualified? Both men have issues that I just don't like. Obama is a human poster selling positive words without substance. McCain is just too soft and unmoving as a leader. We have two devils at the door. We are back at the 2000 election all over again. Our options back then were dumb and scary. George the second and Al Gore. Now, we have poster boy and the dough boy. Lets hear it, are they both unqualified? I'm going to get a rash of heat for this poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Just Obama is unqualified, McCain is perfectly qualified, McCain has actually led stuff. The only thing Obama has led is radical left wing foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Both are unqualified to lead as President - they've both spent far too long arguing with each other that I don't think any of them have actually thought about what they'll do when they actually become President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Both are unqualified to lead as President - they've both spent far too long arguing with each other that I don't think any of them have actually thought about what they'll do when they actually become President. They can't predict everything that will happen between now and when one of them take office you do realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Just Obama is unqualified, McCain is perfectly qualified, McCain has actually led stuff. The only thing Obama has led is radical left wing foundations. If you're basing that off the fact that he was in Vietnam, that's a weak argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If you're basing that off the fact that he was in Vietnam, that's a weak argument. Actually, I'm basing it off of the fact he lead a Military Squadron after he got back and completely turned it around in the positive direction. He also has a long history of bucking his party for the good of the country. He headed the investigation that got Tom Delay kicked out of the United States Senate, he got the Republican Senate Majority Leader kicked out of office. Obama's history is voting along party lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Actually, I'm basing it off of the fact he lead a Military Squadron after he got back and completely turned it around in the positive direction. No matter how good a squadron commander he was, it doesn't necessarily make him a great choice for President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 No matter how good a squadron commander he was, it doesn't necessarily make him a great choice for President. It matters if it was in horrible shape when he got command of it and then by the time he left, he had completely turned it around. That's executive experience - management skill. Something a President needs to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 It matters if it was in horrible shape when he got command of it and then by the time he left, he had completely turned it around. That's executive experience - management skill. Something a President needs to have. A military unit and a country are two different things. Also, interesting videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGdHTb9zxc Palin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tc7BF_Fd7I Sarah Palin also "In 2007, Palin supported the Alaska Department of Fish and Game policy allowing the hunting of wolves from helicopters as part of a predator control program intended to increase moose populations. In March 2007, Palin's office announced that a bounty of $150 per wolf would be paid to the 180 volunteer pilots and gunners, to offset fuel costs." WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 It matters if it was in horrible shape when he got command of it and then by the time he left, he had completely turned it around. That's executive experience - management skill. Something a President needs to have. No, it is not "management skill". In a military unit, when you're in charge, you are IN CHARGE. When you say jump, they ask how high. When you tell them to fight, they fight. You get the picture. The country, the government, it doesn't work that way. If the president comes to Congress and says "pass this bill" Congress has every right to tell him to get lost. Running a military unit and running a government/nation are two totally different kettles of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 No, it is not "management skill". In a military unit, when you're in charge, you are IN CHARGE. When you say jump, they ask how high. When you tell them to fight, they fight. You get the picture. The country, the government, it doesn't work that way. If the president comes to Congress and says "pass this bill" Congress has every right to tell him to get lost. Running a military unit and running a government/nation are two totally different kettles of fish. Not if you're also handling procurement among other things, that's management, granted that's not business management, but it's still management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Not if you're also handling procurement among other things, that's management, granted that's not business management, but it's still management. But it's still nothing like, or even on the same scale as running an entire country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 But it's still nothing like, or even on the same scale as running an entire country. But what has Obama run though. Out of everyone running, Palin is actually arguably more qualified than everyone. McCain comes in second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Palin is actually arguably more qualified than everyone. McCain comes in second place. That's a good one there. I'd rather have a turnip run the U.S. than Palin. but to the point, both are rather unqualified, but I'd rather see Obama and Biden set foot in the White House than her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 But what has Obama run though. Out of everyone running, Palin is actually arguably more qualified than everyone. McCain comes in second place. Yes, she ran horribly. I guess if you would rather have a person who ran horribly as VP (or President) over a person who only wants to help people then that's sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 But what has Obama run though. Out of everyone running, Palin is actually arguably more qualified than everyone. McCain comes in second place. I've never actually heard or seen anyone say that Palin is qualified to be the Vice President, nevermind more qualified than McCain and Obama. Almost every time someone has been allowed to ask her a question, she's made an ass of herself or gone off on a tangent about soccer moms or kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 A military unit and a country are two different things. Also, interesting videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGdHTb9zxc Palin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tc7BF_Fd7I Sarah Palin also "In 2007, Palin supported the Alaska Department of Fish and Game policy allowing the hunting of wolves from helicopters as part of a predator control program intended to increase moose populations. In March 2007, Palin's office announced that a bounty of $150 per wolf would be paid to the 180 volunteer pilots and gunners, to offset fuel costs." WTF? As someone whom has watched and can actually attest to Youtube management actually taking sides in this Presidential Election, I'm going to hesitate in believing any of the pro-Obama youtube vids. Because they've been yanking the pro-McCain ones left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 As someone whom has watched and can actually attest to Youtube management actually taking sides in this Presidential Election, I'm going to hesitate in believing any of the pro-Obama youtube vids. Because they've been yanking the pro-McCain ones left and right. These videos were aired on national TV. All (except maybe the second link) is un bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 These videos were aired on national TV. All (except maybe the second link) is un bias. Problem is that some of the videos are editted to strip out parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Problem is that some of the videos are editted to strip out parts. Find the full transcripts and prove them wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Okay here's the thing, youtube has been taking down things that are proMcCain and/or Anti-Obama left and right. So the odds of being able to find the full video if it was editted isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Okay here's the thing, youtube has been taking down things that are proMcCain and/or Anti-Obama left and right. So the odds of being able to find the full video if it was editted isn't that good. Can you actually prove that they're being taken down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Can you actually prove that they're being taken down? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o Here's an example of one I've seen that got taken down, the Obama people have had people go through and file all these complaints accusations of anything copyright violations etc. In order to remove things that criticize Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Okay here's the thing, youtube has been taking down things that are proMcCain and/or Anti-Obama left and right. So the odds of being able to find the full video if it was editted isn't that good. First of all you have no proof of that. Youtube is extremely unbiased. Also, I didn't ask for videos I asked for transcripts. Has it ever accrued to you that maybe you're buying into other people's lies? I'm not even a liberal and I see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 First of all you have no proof of that. Youtube is extremely unbiased. Also, I didn't ask for videos I asked for transcripts. Has it ever accrued to you that maybe you're buying into other people's lies? I'm not even a liberal and I see that. I'm waiting for his source too. But don't you think videos with words in them can carry just as much substance and weight as typed words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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