mimartin Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 First I’d like to narrow the topic of this thread to only this article, which means I would appreciate it if no other media outlets are brought up. I also appreciate it if past digressions of Fox News are not brought up. I would like the focus strictly on this article not on past misdeeds by any media outlet. This article also has nothing to do with Rev. Wright, Ayers, ACORN or any other “so-called” issues with either candidate. In other words, please debate the article and not the media or Obama or McCain. If you cannot do that please post in one of the other threads instead of this thread. Fox News America’s Election HQ published an article entitled “Hip-Hop-Dancing Colin Powell Fuels Speculation He’ll Endorse Obama". The article offers no evidence that Powell may be leaning that way other than his dancing with “well-known rap stars” and his speaking at a “Africa Rising” celebration inside London’s Royal Albert Hall. I fail to see the connection between either events and Powell endorsing Obama. What is the purpose of the story? Do they know Powell is going to endorse Obama (certainly known by means other than those disclosed with the article) and this is a way to soften his endorsement? I feel offended by this article, should I? Should this article be considered offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Wow. I totally agree with you. I too, don't see the connection. To me, it seems like the person that wrote this story wasted his/her time. Just because Powell went to an African festival doesn't mean that he is going to endorse Obama. If what I think is right, and what this article is truly saying, then I a little offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I find it very offensive, personally, that Fox is saying Powell will vote for Obama only because of his race. If anything, the author should have posted some actual facts, as opposed to "Well, since he's African-American, he'll be backing Obama." It (the article) was attempting to convey a point, and failed miserably in said attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Bummer. When I saw the title of the thread, I got excited that there might be a new action figure for my collection (would have looked great next to my "Constitution-Burning President Bush") Is it okay if I not read the article before responding and just rant about the subheading? Colin Powell showed off his hip-hop moves at an 'Africa Rising' celebration in London Tuesday, fueling speculation that the former secretary of state is about to endorse Barack Obama for president. Subtext: Blacky meeting with other blackies to do blacky things = must mean endorsement of other blacky. Good job Fox News. Fantastic reporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 What. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Not the report. I don't care about that. I'm going on youtube to see if I can find a clip of Colin Powell doing the hip-hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Just because Powell went to an African festival doesn't mean that he is going to endorse Obama. According to this logic, I wonder if Fox News believes Condoleezza Rice is also for Obama. Is it okay if I not read the article before responding and just rant about the subheading?[/Quote]No problem, your rant did not violate my long rant before I actually posted the subject of the thread. I will say you cut to the chase of why I found the Fox News story so offensive. It (the article) was attempting to convey a point, and failed miserably in said attempt. Have they? I believe the point of the story was to remind every Joe Bob redneck out there that Barack Obama is African American. The second point, was to say that African Americans cannot be trusted by saying Secretary Powell may betray his party by endorsing Obama. Did anyone else notice how terrible every picture posted was of Secretary Powell. I’d say they are pretty sure he is going to endorse Obama and they want to show Secretary Powell in the worse possible light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 mimartin has narrowed the topic very carefully. Please stay within the confines of his request on this. Thanks. The article didn't say who's doing the speculation--was it people in the audience? Reporters? Pundits? The black community? The white community? Dems or GOP? We don't know because the article did a crap job of making that clear. Knowing what group was doing the speculating was absolutely key in determining if this is supposed to be a racial issue or a racist issue--and the distinction there is subtle but important. This article has a very different meaning if it's the black audience that fueled the speculation vs a white GOP group, for instance. Edit: Does anyone over the age of 29 and wearing business suits look good doing hip hop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Jae, I guess that depends on how you counted to 29 , but I have a few female friends that would come back at you on this the name Will Smith. In fairness to Fox News the photo of Christina Aguilera linked with the other photos of Powell was just as terrible (actually worse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The article didn't say who's doing the speculation--was it people in the audience? Reporters? Pundits? The black community? The white community? Dems or GOP? We don't know because the article did a crap job of making that clear. Maybe because it was FOX making a really far-reaching assumption on their own? I think the best part of the article was this line: Powell has said in the past that he has been hesitant to make an endorsement until he hears more from both candidates. Right, so Obama let Powell know he likes hip-hop cuz he black, so that means Powell's going to back Obama. Impeccable logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I like how you completely ignored what Jae said. Which was pretty reasonable from my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I like how you completely ignored what Jae said. Which was pretty reasonable from my perspective. Uh, I did address her points directly. I even quoted her. And honestly, if you're going to publish something on 'speculation', it behooves you to be clear who is doing the speculating, or else it's just going to seem like you're doing it yourself, which is clearly how this article comes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes, you quoted her, and then completely disregarded her points so you could make a pithy comment about Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No, I suggested another possible avenue to explain the lack of sourcing on who did the 'speculation'. It's a shoddy article that has no place being on a reputable news website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Maybe because it was FOX making a really far-reaching assumption on their own? . Do you have proof for that? Do you know which group was speculating for sure? I already said we can't determine which group it is at this point, so we can't even say for sure what the assumptions truly are. If it was a the group of people at the gathering who were making that speculation (and the juxtaposition of the assumption sentence right after the description of the gathering makes that a possibility), then it comes off as something different than if the KKK was making the assumption. We won't know until the writer clarifies what the heck he was talking about. @mimartin--would Will Smith be hip-hopping in a business suit? Besides, he is almost as sexy as Orlando Bloom, so that makes it OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Do you have proof that they weren't? Given Fox's traditionally right-wing leaning, it isn't a far reach to assume that they came up with the speculation themselves. We won't know until the writer clarifies what the heck he was talking about. Why didn't he do that off the bat, to quash reactions like what's happening in this very thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The burden of proof lies with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No, it kinda lies with FOX News to properly source an obviously badly-written article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Why didn't he do that off the bat, to quash reactions like what's happening in this very thread? Sucky editor? I don't know. I hope they do clarify it, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 @mimartin--would Will Smith be hip-hopping in a business suit? Only if it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Are we still on-topic? I'm so confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The topic is Colin Powell doing a hip-hop dance. Frankly, I think we're off-forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes, you quoted her, and then completely disregarded her points so you could make a pithy comment about Fox News. Main Entry: pith Pronunciation: \ˈpith\ Function: noun 2 a: the essential part : core b: substantial quality (as of meaning) 3: importance I think you're confused as to what pithy means. Someone's been watching Bill-O too much. No, it kinda lies with FOX News to properly source an obviously badly-written article. Agree. Are we still on-topic? I'm so confused. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Are we still on-topic? I'm so confused. Colin Powell Dances > Fox News post racist story based on Powell’s dancing > I point out unflattering photos of Powell > Jae remarks no one over 29 in a business suit looks good dancing Hip-Hop. > I point to Will Smith. Perfectly simple. And thanks to EW, I learn something too. The topic is Colin Powell doing a hip-hop dance. The topic isn't the dancing, the topic is the story and if the story is offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I think Achilles pretty much hit the nail on the head with his comment. The article is blatantly racist and offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I think Achilles pretty much hit the nail on the head with his comment. The article is blatantly racist and offensive. How exactly was this article racist? The situation is that Fox News is wondering if Powell is going to endorse Obama, do I get why the article was even typed up, not particularly what Mr. Powell does in his spare time is his business, however this wasn't racist in any respect. Fact is that people have been called racists for criticizing someone when their criticisms have absolutely nothing to do with someone's skin color. The article being relatively pointless? yes. The article being written by someone whom lacks a background in music to figure out what's what? yes The article being racist? no The article being offensive? not really You can't call the people whom wrote a news story racist because they quoted what was actually said, see the lines in quotation marks. Powell -- who has yet to back a candidate -- told the audience: "I stand before you as an African-American. Many people have said to me you became secretary of state of the USA, is it still necessary to say that you are an African American or that you are black? And I say yes, so that we can remind our children." http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/colin-powell-fuels-speculation-possible-endorsement/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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