Q Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Response to your edited post: To be fair, here is the crux of the article one more time: Black man at black function indicates that he must be getting ready to endorse the black candidate. What's the only thing tying the premises to the conclusion? Black. Take the name of a prominent white political figure (heck, try it with a prominent political figure from any racial background except black) and replace all mention of Colin Powell with that name. If the article ceases to make sense, then maybe you'll start to see what the rest of us are seeing. That actually clears it up a lot. I honestly failed to make that connection, and that's why I asked in the first place. Thank you for the explanation. We really need to stop assuming the worst about each other. It leads to all sorts of unnecessary unpleasantries, Don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Oh I see, now I have to be the LONE expert in that it is fueling speculation. Not that it actually may to pundits. Look with the race issue being raised and with the race he is claiming solidarity with being over 90% for the one candidate, it can be concieved that way. You may choose to pretend that it has nothing to do with whether he will or not, however claiming solidarity with any group that supports one person over another even dispite race, can in fact fuel speculation that he would support that person. There no race involved there.... just the group that is un-named. He claims I am one of you to a group. That group supports Obama almost exclusively in this country. That fuels speculation that he will support Obama. maybe now without using race at all you can see that it isn't so much about race as it is claiming solidarity with that group. If you saw Powell at an NRA convention and he claimed to be one of them, wouldn't that fuel speculation that he would support McCain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 That actually clears it up a lot. I honestly failed to make that connection, and that's why I asked in the first place. Thank you for the explanation.I'm glad to hear that and you're quite welcome. We really need to stop assuming the worst about each other. It leads to all sorts of unnecessary unpleasantries, Don't you think?Actually, I was assuming the best about you, which is why I was having a great deal of difficulty understanding your position. Glad to hear that it was a genuine misunderstanding and not cause for me to have to reconsider my previously high opinion of your contributions. My sincere apologies for my role in the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 He claims I am one of you to a group. That group supports Obama almost exclusively in this country. That fuels speculation that he will support Obama. maybe now without using race at all you can see that it isn't so much about race as it is claiming solidarity with that group. Without using race it's fine... however why does the article reference one single quote from Colin's enitre speech talking about being black and ignoring the rest of it? Why talk about rap artists and hip hop when that was not the only music at the festival? Ironically Rap and hip hop do feed to an American stereotype though.... And what on earth does a festival in London have to do with supporting Barack Obama? The only thing tying all these together, as Achilles pointed out, is the color of the peoples skin. That is racist. If you saw Powell at an NRA convention and he claimed to be one of them, wouldn't that fuel speculation that he would support McCain? No. As being a member of the NRA does not equal supporting McCain since one is completely unrelated to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Without using race it's fine... Great, now you are seeing the point I'm trying to make however why does the article reference one single quote from Colin's enitre speech talking about being black and ignoring the rest of it? Why talk about rap artists and hip hop when that was not the only music at the festival? Ironically Rap and hip hop do feed to an American stereotype though.... And what on earth does a festival in London have to do with supporting Barack Obama? The only thing tying all these together, as Achilles pointed out, is the color of the peoples skin. That is racist. Drat and you were doing so well... All the things tied together are part of the same group. The same group that supports one candidate almost exclusively in this country. They tend to mention things that went on at the convention. Sure they didn't mention the other talking points. But those were outside the story. Namely that he may be supporting Obama. No. As being a member of the NRA does not equal supporting McCain since one is completely unrelated to the other. bah.. whatever. It would cause speculation in the pundits world. It could be Pro-Life rallys or whatever you want. the point is that claiming solidarity with a group that almost exclusively supports one candidate over the other can in fact fuel speculation that the support will be given to that candidate. Whether it is true or not, is not relevant to speculation. We can speculate that Bioware will be announcing KotOR MMO because Massively.com has been invited. It may not be true. But with Massively not having anything to do with SP games, that fuels speculation that it is in fact an MMO. We can speculate that my mom(step mom) will be voting for Barack Obama, because she is also part of that group. Doesn't make it true. Doesn't have to be true to fuel speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Drat and you were doing so well... All the things tied together are part of the same group. The same group that supports one candidate almost exclusively in this country. They tend to mention things that went on at the convention. Sure they didn't mention the other talking points. But those were outside the story. Namely that he may be supporting Obama. See the unfortunate part for your argument is that we are referring to the article, which is an issue you are conveniently not addressing. You did address the speech ever so slightly, so we are progressing in baby steps, so lets try again. Answer the questions or just admit that the article has racist undertones. Sigh, why are you all so snarky to one another? What is this pre-school? Tone down the belittling comments all, I feel like a kindergarten teacher, everyone needs to consider doing some growing up! - j7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Q Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Could this be considered offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommycat Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Excuse me? You mean your insinuation that him dancing with well known rap artists was somehow racist? Why talk about rap artists and hip hop when that was not the only music at the festival? Well for one, many well known rap and hip hop artists that attended happened to be extremely critical of McCain and Palin. The African music is unrelated to the story. That story being the political leaning of Powell. Can you explain to me how that extra data would have led the reader to the headline in any way? The article is only as racist as you want to believe it is. Basically you are injecting racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Could this be considered offensive? chill brah smoke a bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Well for one, many well known rap and hip hop artists that attended happened to be extremely critical of McCain and Palin...That story being the political leaning of Powell.How is the political affiliation of a well known rap artist indicative of Colin Powell's political leaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 chill brah smoke a bowl At this point it couldn't hurt. McCain or myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Excuse me? You mean your insinuation that him dancing with well known rap artists was somehow racist? No, read the whole post. Or go back and read the previous ones. Well for one, many well known rap and hip hop artists that attended happened to be extremely critical of McCain and Palin. The African music is unrelated to the story. That story being the political leaning of Powell. Can you explain to me how that extra data would have led the reader to the headline in any way? The article is only as racist as you want to believe it is. Basically you are injecting racism. So now we've decided it's a political article... okay let's go with that... What does Colin dancing hip hop have to do with politics and endorsing Obama? What does Colin socializing with rap stars have to do with politics and endorsing Obama? His speech kinda fits that stance as it talks about the white house, however, he never mentions any party affiliations in his speech for this election as quoted from the article. They do however take time to point out that Colin is proud to be black...and completely ignore the rest of his speech. Why? Also, why is the title of the article referencing the "Africa Rising" festival if it's a political article? Colin supporting Obama has nothing to do with the Festival. Also, and this is admitedly nit picky but worthin mentioning. Why did they emphasize "Africa Rising" in the title and leave out festival if they are referring to it by name? Emphasizing it all doesn't make sense, but if they at least included festival you would know that. Or is Africa Rising something that shouldn't be taken seriously... in which case they are mocking the entire festival? Let's not forget this is a festival in London. Not even in the U.S. but somehow they go out of their way to tie it to something in the U.S. Again the only thing all these have in common is the color of people's skin. Therefore it is racist. If there is another link please explain, but if you say it's part of a group you are basically saying that it's due to their skin color and therefore you are agreeing that it is indeed racist...if that's your only argument. Also, be sure to address all the points this time...thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, read the whole post. Or go back and read the previous ones. read them... still seem to be talking in circles. So now we've decided it's a political article... okay let's go with that... What does Colin dancing hip hop have to do with politics and endorsing Obama? Not the dancing, who he's dancing with. What does Colin socializing with rap stars have to do with politics and endorsing Obama? It's who those he is socializing with support. His speech kinda fits that stance as it talks about the white house, however, he never mentions any party affiliations in his speech for this election as quoted from the article. They do however take time to point out that Colin is proud to be black...and completely ignore the rest of his speech. Why? Because he is identifying with a group that over 90% supports Barack Obama. Also, why is the title of the article referencing the "Africa Rising" festival if it's a political article? Colin supporting Obama has nothing to do with the Festival. That tells of the location where the events occured that fuel the further speculation Also, and this is admitedly nit picky but worthin mentioning. Why did they emphasize "Africa Rising" in the title and leave out festival if they are referring to it by name? Emphasizing it all doesn't make sense, but if they at least included festival you would know that. Or is Africa Rising something that shouldn't be taken seriously... in which case they are mocking the entire festival? They may have thought that was the title of the celebration. Dunno, you might have to ask them. But it is actually not important. Let's not forget this is a festival in London. Not even in the U.S. but somehow they go out of their way to tie it to something in the U.S. Well he didn't attend the one in Washington. Again the only thing all these have in common is the color of people's skin. Therefore it is racist. If there is another link please explain, but if you say it's part of a group you are basically saying that it's due to their skin color and therefore you are agreeing that it is indeed racist...if that's your only argument. Also, be sure to address all the points this time...thx. No. They are all related in that they have a majority of support for Barack Obama in this country. There is no inherant racism in the article. The racism is generated from outside sources. The ones attending from the US were almost unanimously in support of Obama. There not even mentioning group. Maybe there is racism in the black community that nearly 100% supports Obama. And you can't tell me that that nearly 100% are all keenly aware of all of his political financial and social stances. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong group of racists.... Now if you want offensive and racist: real racism Now that's racism for ya. Oh and yes it hurts to hear that crap coming from my OWN PARTY. Did someone give them a lobotomy? How could they not know THAT was offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Not the dancing, who he's dancing with. They did talk about the dancing actually...I'm taking your blatant refusal to answer the question as an indication that dancing has nothing to do with Colin Powell endorsing obama. It's who those he is socializing with support. Considering this wasn't in the article I'm surprised you went this way. Read the article again. The only people to mention Obama are the writers. Also, this is an assumption and backed up with no facts or sources. You are assuming the people on Stage are supporting Obama. Argument has no merit. Because he is identifying with a group that over 90% supports Barack Obama. So we are back to using they are the same skin color again and that's why he supports Obama... nice. That tells of the location where the events occured that fuel the further speculation Mentioning it once it would, but the way it's laid out in the article no. They may have thought that was the title of the celebration. Dunno, you might have to ask them. But it is actually not important. So at this point there is no reason for emphasizing the Africa Rising portion. And yes it is important because there are people here in the US who see that and only think hate. IMO it's stretching, but if there are any other articles out there referencing a Festival and they do not carry the same format it does hold water. At the moment really don't feel like looking, but maybe later. Well he didn't attend the one in Washington. This does 0 to answer the question No. They are all related in that they have a majority of support for Barack Obama in this country. There is no inherant racism in the article. The racism is generated from outside sources. The ones attending from the US were almost unanimously in support of Obama. There not even mentioning group. Maybe there is racism in the black community that nearly 100% supports Obama. And you can't tell me that that nearly 100% are all keenly aware of all of his political financial and social stances. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong group of racists.... Ahh yes, so because he's black he's supporting Barack. Gotcha... You know what... I also heard that Colin Powell drank some coffee this mornig fueling speculation he's supporting Barack... I also heard that Colin Powell brushed his teeth this mornig fueling speculation he's supporting Barack... I also heard that Colin Powell drove his car this mornig fueling speculation he's supporting Barack... I always seem to forget that because he is part of a larger group he has no free will. My bad... crap almost sounds like we're back in the early 1900s... Now if you want offensive and racist: real racism Now that's racism for ya. Oh and yes it hurts to hear that crap coming from my OWN PARTY. Did someone give them a lobotomy? How could they not know THAT was offensive? Bummer... but let's stay on topic with the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Puts on kindergarten (pre-school) teachers hat... As you kids can't play nicely with one another I'm taking away your ball, honestly some of you really need to look and the condescending things your posting to each other, do you really think such posts are going to persuade people of your positions? *Shakes head* - Thread Closed... - j7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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