jamestl2 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 And why was Revan aboard it? I know the game needed someplace to start, but I'm speaking from a storyline perspective. Some of the characters (like Trask) mention that Bastila was in charge of "the mission". What was that mission? There were no star maps on Taris, and Revan didn't know of their existence at the time due to amnesia (all Revan remembered was fighting Bastila). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Moving to the K1 forum... I think the Endar Spire was sacrificed by the Jedi to put 'our hero' into play, with Bastila and Carth meant to be our companions/watchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamestl2 Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 (OK, yeah, sorry about the wrong forum there, I was thinking general KOTOR, not just III and TSO ) So essentially it was just a "random ship" over a random world (Taris) chosen by the Jedi to set Revan in motion? If so, did they have any reason for going to Taris then? (Or whatever the intended destination was.) And also how did the Jedi know Darth Malak and the Sith were going to ambush it? Plus I'm not sure how the other soldiers would really feel about being apart of a "sacrificial" mission (Well, depending on what the Jedi told them the "mission" was, that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Kered Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 As far as canon goes, the reason for the Endar Spire being where it was has not be elaborated on yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Doesn't the title crawl say something about a Republic fleet attacking Malak's forces over Taris or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamestl2 Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 (Just started a new game, and...) The opening craw states something along the lines of "A Jedi battle fleet engages Darth Malak to halt the Sith's Galactic Domination". Doesn't explain why it was there in the first place though. I wonder if it will be elaborated upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Yeah, the fleet was there as part of a battle. Why Revan was put in there is the question. I suppose he/she was meant to wake up and be 'remembered' that he was a soldier/explorer/scoundrel hired by the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattig89ch Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Acually, I think it does...They just engaged the Sith battle fleet to try and stop them from gaining a new system (we all saw how well that worked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knight 12167 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 When Revan wakes up do you reckon that was the first time he woke up after the battle on his flagship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 That would seem highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 They might have been on their way to dantooine when Malak ambushed them. Or they might have been on a mission to taris itself. They were traveling around the galaxy to try and bring out Revan's memories so they could find a way to stop the sith threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 They might have been on their way to dantooine when Malak ambushed them. Or they might have been on a mission to taris itself. I believe the Council had already did their trick with Revan's mind by the time he awoke. He was just supposed to have awakened on the Academy, so I believe that the Endar Spire might have been indeed ambushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Four thousand years before the rise of the Galactic Empire, the Republic verges on collapse. DARTH MALAK, last surviving apprentice of the Dark Lord Revan, has unleashed an invincible Sith armada upon an unsuspecting galaxy. Crushing all resistance, Malak's war of conquest has left the Jedi Order scattered and vulnerable as countless Knights fall in battle, and many more swear allegiance to the new Sith Master. In the skies above the Outer Rim world of Taris, a Jedi battle fleet engages the forces of Darth Malak in a desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination… I think that that should answer your question. Is it just me, or do you guys think that it is a little bit stupid that one Republic flagship was sent to overrun a planet infested/conquered with Sith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 The council assigned Bastila to get Revan's memories back and she was on that mission when the spire was ambushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Is it just me, or do you guys think that it is a little bit stupid that one Republic flagship was sent to overrun a planet infested/conquered with Sith? 1. The crawl should answer your question, as well. It clearly says a Jedi battle fleet. Implying more than one ship. 2. There's no evidence suggesting that the Endar Spire was a flagship in any sense of the word. In fact, knowing the Jedi, they would probably intentionally place Revan and his 'guardian' Jedi on a ship of relatively low standing in the fleet. As for the mission the Endar Spire was on, it could have been as simple as a supply run, or a patrol of the Republic border territories. We don't know the composition of the rest of the fleet she was with, nor of the condition of the war-time borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 1. The crawl should answer your question, as well. It clearly says a Jedi battle fleet. Implying more than one ship. That is very true. Sorry. I doubt that there was more than one Hammerhead class cruiser... 2. There's no evidence suggesting that the Endar Spire was a flagship in any sense of the word. In fact, knowing the Jedi, they would probably intentionally place Revan and his 'guardian' Jedi on a ship of relatively low standing in the fleet. Hammerhead-Class Cruiser Battle of Taris According to this wookie article, it does not mention that there were other ships present. We can really only infer. As for the mission the Endar Spire was on, it could have been as simple as a supply run, or a patrol of the Republic border territories. We don't know the composition of the rest of the fleet she was with, nor of the condition of the war-time borders. It clearly states in the opening crawl that the Endar Spire "engages the forces of Darth Malak in a desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination…" There was no supply run or patrol. As for the war time borders, we don't know about them. Another thing to think about....why don't we see any more Republic escape pods on the surface of Taris. If there were more than one ship, there would most likely be more escape pods launched with means that there should be more than just several escape pods on the surface of Taris....just some food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I still see no mention of the Endar Spire being a flagship of any kind. Closest term I see is Capital ship, which =/= flagship. But I guess my comment about this was a minor terminology thing that I picked up on more than anything. It's not really important, even by our nit picky, fan-boy standards. And simply because the crawl says that the fleet was engaging Malak's doesn't mean they were sent there to do so. In fact, Carth said as much, saying that "[they] didn't choose that battle, anyway, it got forced on [them]". They could very well have been on a supply run or patrol, and been ambushed. As far as Wookiepedia's lack of mention of other ships is concerned; not only is Wookiepedia one of the least credible sources out there, but it can by no means retcon information from the game itself - which clearly states that a fleet was engaged in the battle of Taris. Also remember that we only see a minuscule part of Taris. The entire planet could have been riddled with escape pods, easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Another thing to think about....why don't we see any more Republic escape pods on the surface of Taris. If there were more than one ship, there would most likely be more escape pods launched with means that there should be more than just several escape pods on the surface of Taris....just some food for thought. Aren't you forgetting about the escape pods that crashed on the Undercity? We only manage to see one, but there are certainly others around, as stated by the dwellers and Lower City gang members. There's also the crewmembers found on Zelka's Clinic. He says that on the aftermath of the battle, "people started secretly bringing them [the republics] here [the clinic]." The same can be said of the Jedi battle fleet. We only get to see one cruiser, but that doesn't mean there aren't others - they're simply implicit. And by the time the initial cutscene starts, the battle seems to be ending. We may notice that on the way the Endar Spire looks damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Another thing to think about....why don't we see any more Republic escape pods on the surface of Taris. If there were more than one ship, there would most likely be more escape pods launched with means that there should be more than just several escape pods on the surface of Taris....just some food for thought. I think you're forgetting that the entire planet is one big city - and we only get to play in a very small part of it. Not all of the escape pods would have landed in the area that we get to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I still see no mention of the Endar Spire being a flagship of any kind. Closest term I see is Capital ship, which =/= flagship. But I guess my comment about this was a minor terminology thing that I picked up on more than anything. It's not really important, even by our nit picky, fan-boy standards. Yes. Looking back on it, I guess that it was just a minor terminology disagreement. And simply because the crawl says that the fleet was engaging Malak's doesn't mean they were sent there to do so. In fact, Carth said as much, saying that "[they] didn't choose that battle, anyway, it got forced on [them]". They could very well have been on a supply run or patrol, and been ambushed. True, but logically (or in my logic, lol) why would a Republic ship be that close to Taris on a supply run? A planet overrun by the Sith and is obviously a base planet for them. That is just me though. I guess that I should say this again..."desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination". But doesn't Trask say something about being ambushed by the Sith...some of it doesn't make sense though... As far as Wookiepedia's lack of mention of other ships is concerned; not only is Wookiepedia one of the least credible sources out there, but it can by no means retcon information from the game itself - which clearly states that a fleet was engaged in the battle of Taris. Do you know of any other Star Wars databases other than Star Wars Databank and wookiepedia? Also remember that we only see a minuscule part of Taris. The entire planet could have been riddled with escape pods, easily. Very true. Aren't you forgetting about the escape pods that crashed on the Undercity? We only manage to see one, but there are certainly others around, as stated by the dwellers and Lower City gang members. There's also the crewmembers found on Zelka's Clinic. He says that on the aftermath of the battle, "people started secretly bringing them [the republics] here [the clinic]." The same can be said of the Jedi battle fleet. We only get to see one cruiser, but that doesn't mean there aren't others - they're simply implicit. And by the time the initial cutscene starts, the battle seems to be ending. We may notice that on the way the Endar Spire looks damaged. Yes. One guy can't remember everything at 10 o'clock at night though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I always gathered that the Sith took control of Taris after they won the battle in orbit, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamestl2 Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm thinking the same as the Doctor, and had always assumed that Taris fell under Sith control only after the Space Battle that took place at the beginning. And the power and gov't transferring all happened while Revan was unconscious for the past few days, giving them time to prepare. This was the reason why they declared Martial Law and later destroyed the planet, to search for Bastila and Co. and then later prevent them from escaping. Also, when the opening crawl states "In the skies above the Outer Rim world of Taris.....", why would they attempt to halt the Sith's domination above Taris at that point in time, being that they were ambushed? Plus it doesn't specifically say where the ship was heading beforehand, just that they engaged in a battle (presumably because of the ambush), and the Jedi decided to try and stop them right then and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 No, I have to say that I disagree with that. Remember that the Sith had quarantined the planet in order to prevent Bastila from escaping. I myself doubt that the Sith could have put at least a million soldiers on the planet in just a few days. I guess that the opening crawl text is a little vague. That is just my opinion though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 If the planet were already under Sith control, they would have already had a great number of soldiers already stationed on-world. They'd have to for a planet-wide city, particularly one that wasn't just non-Sith, but was in fact at one point a Republic world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 It's possible the sith were in the middle of takeing over Taris and the Spire and whatever fleet it may have had was the closest ship to Taris. the Spire may have been going to Taris to counter the Sith attack. Malak may have somehow found out Bastila was on the Spire and knew where the Spire was going so he set the Ambush above Taris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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