Rev7 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 (~16:45) Why do we need a 'second' military when we already have a very strong military? "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" -Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Get ready for the Thought Police. And you all thought that the Patriot Act was bad. Not that it wasn't: it most certainly was. I forsee more Wacos and Ruby Ridges in our near future. Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Never heard of Posse Comitatus Act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Of course. Ever heard of Kent State? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 Never heard of Posse Comitatus Act? I have now. Posse Comitatus Act However, I that Obama is talking about an entirely different thing than what that act covers. Spending millions of dollars on a security force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Spending millions of dollars on a security force? It makes more sense protecting ourselves from terrorist than not protecting ourselves. How secure are our ports again? Kent State is a good example why we should be using our security force trained in security rather than those trained militarily to protect us domestically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was the NSA's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 It makes more sense protecting ourselves from terrorist than not protecting ourselves.Yes... Kent State is a good example why we should be using our security force trained in security rather than those trained militarily to protect us domestically. "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." That is saying a lot. America's Military Budget That is a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'm not seeing a problem here. If you reply on others to protect yourself, when the time comes for you to protect yourself, you'll be screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Funny then just why was Homeland Security created. We already had the National Softball Association National Security Agency. I get it; it is all right for “so-called” conservatives to create huge useless bureaucracies, but the liberals can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Funny then just why was Homeland Security created. Homeland Security, IMO, always seemed to spend more time watching we citizens than it did watching threats to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 National Guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Funny then just why was Homeland Security created. We already had the National Softball Association National Security Agency. I get it; it is all right for “so-called” conservatives to create huge useless bureaucracies, but the liberals can’t. I wasn't in favor of Homeland Security, either. We need less bureaucracy, not more. The last thing we need is yet another overpowered federal agency sucking up our tax dollars and hassling the citizenry in order to justify its existence. We have more than enough af that crap now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 This country is quite divided, demoralized, and unprepared for serious conflicts (IE, a war with another superpower.), it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I can't help but wonder if this is just another one of those promises to (help) get elected... Not that this is a 'big' issue in the populace's eyes (if they've even heard about it). An economy-destroying war, an incompetent President, and a recession take precedence over this, if I remember human beings correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 This country is quite divided, demoralized, and unprepared for serious conflicts (IE, a war with another superpower.), it seems. I think every country is unprepared for a war with another superpower. M.A.D. ftw. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 It makes more sense protecting ourselves from terrorist than not protecting ourselves. How secure are our ports again? There is a difference between securing our ports and having a Secret Police like is what is found in a dictatorship. Kent State is a good example why we should be using our security force trained in security rather than those trained militarily to protect us domestically. Uh there is something called state and local police, this sounds to me more like a secret police to make people disappear than anything else. There are also outright accusations that the mainstream media attempted to cover this up. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/17/are-the-media-airbrushing-obamas-speeches/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 having a Secret Police like is what is found in a dictatorship. a secret police to make people disappear than anything else. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nazis! McCain 2008: I'm not hitler. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 There is a difference between securing our ports and having a Secret Police like is what is found in a dictatorship.[/Quote]Obama said nothing about Secret Police. Way to spin. I also find this funny considering Obama talking about an open government compared to the last 8 years. Uh there is something called state and local police, this sounds to me more like a secret police to make people disappear than anything else.[/Quote] And the local police and state police do a wonderful job writting tickets or catching the drug user, but I still remember 9/11/2001. There are also outright accusations that the mainstream media attempted to cover this up.[/Quote] Different thread, same old tune... "You spin me right round, baby right round like a record, baby." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Obama said nothing about Secret Police. Way to spin. Okay if you were advocating a secret police force and trying to get elected would you admit that's what it really was. And the local police and state police do a wonderful job writting tickets or catching the drug user, but I still remember 9/11/2001. Oh so now you're concerned about security. I guess it's cause a Democrat will be in office. Seriously, there is the NSA and FBI, what Obama's program sounds like quite honestly is a secret police. The other causes of concern are: WND points out two newspapers that printed the supposedly complete transcript of the speech, the Wall Street Journal and the Denver Post, as examples. The New York Times didn’t post a transcript, and neither did the Washington Post nor the Los Angeles Times. Most oddly, as Unruh points out, the Obama website doesn’t have that speech available, either. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/17/are-the-media-airbrushing-obamas-speeches/ http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9765136 And the Denver Post has deleted the transcript, so you ask me why I don't trust the mainstream media? All of these signs point to the idea that this is to create a secret police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 All of these signs point to the idea that this is to create a secret police. Plz stop making things up. kthxbai. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Plz stop making things up. kthxbai. _EW_ Are you next going to try to say I magically created the video where Obama made those comments as well? :¬: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Are you trying to say I magically created the video where Obama made those comments as well? No just that you're completely making up the part about Obama creating another Schutzstaffel. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Okay if you were advocating a secret police force and trying to get elected would you admit that's what it really was.[/Quote] I'm not advocating a secret police force and neither is Obama. I'm hoping Obama stop the Secret Police force Bush put into place, at least that is what I call spying on your own citizens without judicial oversight. All of these signs point to the idea that this is to create a secret police. You misread the signpost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No just that you're completely making up the part about Obama creating another Schutzstaffel. _EW_ I'm not making anything up, it all fits if you connect the dots. You have the blacklisting that news channel, you have the incident in Missouri I talked about a while ago. http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=192825 We have Acorn as I've brought up before whose specialty is voter fraud: http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=192666 Then we also have the treatment of Joe the Plumber. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101 All these contribute to the analysis that Obama is planning on creating a secret police. All the items fit together like pieces of a puzzle. I'm not advocating a secret police force and neither is Obama. I'm hoping Obama stop the Secret Police force Bush put into place, at least that is what I call spying on your own citizens without judicial oversight. Last I checked Bush's wiretaps were of phone calls where at least one party was in another country. That's a big difference from illegally going through someone's tax records without probable cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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