Boston Tea Parties springing up all over country Mainstream Media ignores

[Totenkopf]

That's your opinion, Skin. Not sure about the relevance of your second comment as these photos would merely be a microscosm of all photos taken. Also, unless you know who all the people were that were in attendance, it's irresponsible of you to insinuate that the protests were nothing more than bigoted anti-obama rallies. I expect that from people like Oberman/Shuster/Garafalo/et al, but think you should be above that.

[SkinWalker]

Why don't you look at who took the pictures, before you make the accusations?

Why would it matter who took the pictures. Anyone who refers to their President as "Osama" or compares him to a terrorist is un-patriotic. Anyone who assumes that being Muslim equates to being wrong, not right, etc., is a racist. Anyone who claims that Obama is Islamic in the first place and that this would be important in the second place, is a bigot. These aren't exactly debatable issues and it matters little who took the photos.

 

In fact, calling me and others like me to be racist is more than a little out of line, putting it mildly.

 

I don't recall referring to you as a racist. I think you're failing to read. I would say that your comprehension skills would be lacking, but I doubt you're a racist. If, however, you make any of the above assertions, then you would fit the above labels.

 

You know I think I should just also point out that it seems whenever liberals can't win an argument they play the race card.

 

Idiots like the ones in the photos can't exactly act like racists, bigots and anti-patriots and not have someone call them on it.

 

That's your opinion, Skin. Not sure about the relevance of your second comment as these photos would merely be a microscosm of all photos taken. Also, unless you know who all the people were that were in attendance, it's irresponsible of you to insinuate that the protests were nothing more than bigoted anti-obama rallies. I expect that from people like Oberman/Shuster/Garafalo/et al, but think you should be above that.

 

I'm just making an observation. I'm sure there are people of color in attendance. But, of all the photos I've seen, there are only middle- to upper-middle class white people in attendance. Basically the sheeple of loudmouths like Limbaugh.

 

And, for the record, this is why I detest politics so much: its full of talking heads like Limbaugh, Maddow, Hannity, Garafalo, et al who see only the information that supports their conclusions. None of it is rational or evidence-based.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Yes. And we all know that the crazies on the left COMPLETELY respect free expression and would never do anything underhanded to try to undermine the other side, right? Now, since I didn't say I knew all those people to be liberals, but floated the possibility that perhaps people on the left (like your "friends" at the Daily Kos, MoveOnDotOrg, ACORN..often referred to as "rent a mob".., the Huffington Post, Media Matters, MSNBC, etc..) were all looking at ways to attempt to discredit an anti big government rally (they protested republicans too, if you bothered to pay attention), I'm not sure why you're getting so hot under the collar.

 

WOAH-HO THERE PAL-O DONT GET SO DEFENSIVE

 

sorry if i find it easier to believe that there are plenty of right wing *******s to make signs that there doesn't have to be some ****ing conspiracy especially considering it's the same **** that's been said by right wing politicians and commentators and plastered all over right wing blogs

[SkinWalker]

like your "friends" at the Daily Kos,...

 

As an aside, the founder of the Daily Kos actually is a friend of mine (or *was* actually). Markos Moulitsas. He worked for me indirectly when I was stationed in Germany as my Fire Direction Specialist. Small world, eh. I haven't spoke to him since then and never talked to him about politics, but I remember he was a bright young man and a good sense of humor. I knew about the Daily Kos but never bothered to read anything on it and went years before I knew Moulitsas created it. I just happened to click a link in Digg that went there and his name was mentioned. Then I followed it to his bio and found out he was an old pal. Still don't read that political crap though.

[GarfieldJL]

Why would it matter who took the pictures. Anyone who refers to their President as "Osama" or compares him to a terrorist is un-patriotic. Anyone who assumes that being Muslim equates to being wrong, not right, etc., is a racist. Anyone who claims that Obama is Islamic in the first place and that this would be important in the second place, is a bigot. These aren't exactly debatable issues and it matters little who took the photos.

 

No it matters, because in case you hadn't noticed the people they deliberately took pictures of were the fringe group loonies that showed up in some cases.

 

 

I don't recall referring to you as a racist. I think you're failing to read. I would say that your comprehension skills would be lacking, but I doubt you're a racist. If, however, you make any of the above assertions, then you would fit the above labels.

 

Ever consider that I would have attended one of those rallies if I didn't have to show up for my group to help with the Senior Project, so you're labeling conservatives like me that really couldn't care less what color Obama's skin is, racists.

 

Idiots like the ones in the photos can't exactly act like racists, bigots and anti-patriots and not have someone call them on it.

 

Sorry but rolling over to Communism isn't patriotic unless you're from the Soviet Union (which collapsed).

 

I'm just making an observation. I'm sure there are people of color in attendance. But, of all the photos I've seen, there are only middle- to upper-middle class white people in attendance. Basically the sheeple of loudmouths like Limbaugh.

 

Yeah, explains why Fox News had some pictures of people that were Asian American, African American, etc. at various rallies. Why don't you check your sources next time?

 

And, for the record, this is why I detest politics so much: its full of talking heads like Limbaugh, Maddow, Hannity, Garafalo, et al who see only the information that supports their conclusions. None of it is rational or evidence-based.

 

I noticed you only mentioned right wing people in your list, if Maddow and Garafalo are right wingers (don't know who they are off the top of my head). Based on your response to imply you're nonpartisan is quite frankly dishonest, you're at least as left-wing as I am right-wing if not more so.

[SkinWalker]

No it matters, because in case you hadn't noticed the people they deliberately took pictures of were the fringe group loonies that showed up in some cases.

Which is clearly who I'm speaking of: fringe group loonies. You know, people who refer to Obama as "Osama," etc. Are you reading the same thread I am? Seriously? Have you bothered to slow down and actually read the words on this page?

 

Ever consider that I would have attended one of those rallies if I didn't have to show up for my group to help with the Senior Project, so you're labeling conservatives like me that really couldn't care less what color Obama's skin is, racists.

 

You'd truly have to be daft if you think that I'm insinuating that all participants of these so-called "tea parties" are racist, unpatriotic bigots. Go back and read what I wrote. I think you're allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment and comprehension skills.

 

Sorry but rolling over to Communism isn't patriotic unless you're from the Soviet Union (which collapsed).

 

This is an irrational, rhetorical statement and clearly one that is fear-mongering. There is not the slightest intention or inclination that "communism" is being "rolled over" to. Come on... seriously? Get a grip, dude. You're going off the deep end with that one. Be a patriot and not a fear-monger.

 

Yeah, explains why Fox News had some pictures of people that were Asian American, African American, etc. at various rallies. Why don't you check your sources next time?

 

Check my sources? Seriously? My sources are this thread. You posted some pictures. Others posted some pictures. I'm just making observations. No way no how am I interested in this irrational political crap enough to go look at a bunch of news websites for some pictures. I'll leave that to you political-junkies.

 

I noticed you only mentioned right wing people in your list, if Maddow and Garafalo are right wingers (don't know who they are off the top of my head).

 

I mentioned irrational loudmouths in my "list." I don't give a crap whether they're "right-wing" or "left-wing." I'm a rationalist. They're all loonies and loudmouths as far as I'm concerned.

 

Based on your response to imply you're nonpartisan is quite frankly dishonest, you're at least as left-wing as I am right-wing if not more so.

 

LOL. I don't know from "wings." I only know from rational and irrational. So, if you're saying I'm as rational as you are irrational, then that's a compliment.

[Q]

Janeane Garafalo is so left of center that she isn't even on the map, Garfield.

 

She's more like off the deep end.

 

Hers and Al Franken's love-child would be the antichrist of political extremism and un-funniness.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

janeane garofalo is the most hardcore right winger ever i heard of she bombed an abortion doctor's house one time it was crazy so is rachel maddow they're lovers they whisper ayn rand to each other in front of the fireplace at night over a bottle of red wine (red for republican)

[SkinWalker]

She's cute, though. Nice tats.

[GarfieldJL]

Which is clearly who I'm speaking of: fringe group loonies. You know, people who refer to Obama as "Osama," etc. Are you reading the same thread I am? Seriously? Have you bothered to slow down and actually read the words on this page?

 

Yes, and have you bothered to read my words pointing out the fact that the pictures were taken by the left-wing drive by media whom ended up being confronted on it, which was caught on tape?

 

 

You'd truly have to be daft if you think that I'm insinuating that all participants of these so-called "tea parties" are racist, unpatriotic bigots. Go back and read what I wrote. I think you're allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment and comprehension skills.

 

I'm not being daft, you make those kinds of assertions about religious people not being as intelligent as atheists all the time, it isn't that much of a stretch to believe you're bashing everyone that went to those rallies too.

 

 

This is an irrational, rhetorical statement and clearly one that is fear-mongering. There is not the slightest intention or inclination that "communism" is being "rolled over" to. Come on... seriously? Get a grip, dude. You're going off the deep end with that one. Be a patriot and not a fear-monger.

 

How about you look at the memo the Department of Homeland Security released the day before, basically calling conservatives, returning veterans a bunch of potential terrorists...

 

Check my sources? Seriously? My sources are this thread. You posted some pictures. Others posted some pictures. I'm just making observations. No way no how am I interested in this irrational political crap enough to go look at a bunch of news websites for some pictures. I'll leave that to you political-junkies.

 

Well if you're going to make comments about it particularly after I pointed out the problem with the sources, it implies either you didn't notice what I posted or just didn't bother to read what I posted.

 

I mentioned irrational loudmouths in my "list." I don't give a crap whether they're "right-wing" or "left-wing." I'm a rationalist. They're all loonies and loudmouths as far as I'm concerned.

 

Well here's the thing, Rush isn't a loon he's very partisan yes, but not a loon, if you had said Ann Coulter and Keith Olbermann I wouldn't have made the observation I had made. Fact is you didn't make that observation you targetted only conservative commentators additionally judging from comments you have made in other threads in the past, leads me to believe you aren't being honest.

 

LOL. I don't know from "wings." I only know from rational and irrational. So, if you're saying I'm as rational as you are irrational, then that's a compliment.

 

Saying that the people that called the tea-party protesters a bunch of Nazis are legitimate sources is rational isn't logical.

[Q]

She's cute, though. Nice tats.

Yup.

 

If you're talking about Garafalo, I've always found her strangely attractive in spite of (or maybe because of) her apparently psychotic nature.

 

Some of the best encounters I've had were with crazy women.

[SkinWalker]

[Major Snippage]

I'm honestly not arsed enough to read it. Someone please PM me if there's a non-rhetorical and rational point.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Yes, and have you bothered to read my words pointing out the fact that the pictures were taken by the left-wing drive by media whom ended up being confronted on it, which was caught on tape?

 

 

 

 

I'm not being daft, you make those kinds of assertions about religious people not being as intelligent as atheists all the time, it isn't that much of a stretch to believe you're bashing everyone that went to those rallies too.

 

 

 

 

How about you look at the memo the Department of Homeland Security released the day before, basically calling conservatives, returning veterans a bunch of potential terrorists...

 

 

 

Well if you're going to make comments about it particularly after I pointed out the problem with the sources, it implies either you didn't notice what I posted or just didn't bother to read what I posted.

 

 

 

Well here's the thing, Rush isn't a loon he's very partisan yes, but not a loon, if you had said Ann Coulter and Keith Olbermann I wouldn't have made the observation I had made. Fact is you didn't make that observation you targetted only conservative commentators additionally judging from comments you have made in other threads in the past, leads me to believe you aren't being honest.

 

 

 

Saying that the people that called the tea-party protesters a bunch of Nazis are legitimate sources is rational isn't logical.

 

LucasForums > Network > JediKnight Series > Community > Senate Chambers > Tat Chat

 

 

garfield why dont you join us or are women part of the conspiracy (against you) as well

 

 

"all women have a left wing bias as this data i collected at every bar within biking distance of my house clearly shows"

[Totenkopf]

Why would it matter who took the pictures. Anyone who refers to their President as "Osama" or compares him to a terrorist is un-patriotic. Anyone who assumes that being Muslim equates to being wrong, not right, etc., is a racist. Anyone who claims that Obama is Islamic in the first place and that this would be important in the second place, is a bigot. These aren't exactly debatable issues and it matters little who took the photos.

 

Well, it was equally unpatriotic to call Bush Hitler, not that it stopped people on the left either. Also, you are taking the connection to Isalm and creating a strawman. None I've heard says that being a Muslim makes you wrong simply b/c you're a muslim. But seriously, drop the race card, it would be rational to merely point out that you think the connections are tenuous at best and scurrilous at worst. The fact that you're arguing about it demonstrates that the points are in fact arguable (however distasteful you find the argument).

 

 

I'm just making an observation. I'm sure there are people of color in attendance. But, of all the photos I've seen, there are only middle- to upper-middle class white people in attendance. Basically the sheeple of loudmouths like Limbaugh.

 

And, for the record, this is why I detest politics so much: its full of talking heads like Limbaugh, Maddow, Hannity, Garafalo, et al who see only the information that supports their conclusions. None of it is rational or evidence-based.

 

Might be more fair to say that it's based on observations of events and statements that you perceive as mired in half truths at best. If it were all as patently false as you suggest, there would be liitle traction even for sheeple on either side.

 

As an aside, the founder of the Daily Kos actually is a friend of mine (or *was* actually). Markos Moulitsas. He worked for me indirectly when I was stationed in Germany as my Fire Direction Specialist. Small world, eh. I haven't spoke to him since then and never talked to him about politics, but I remember he was a bright young man and a good sense of humor. I knew about the Daily Kos but never bothered to read anything on it and went years before I knew Moulitsas created it. I just happened to click a link in Digg that went there and his name was mentioned. Then I followed it to his bio and found out he was an old pal. Still don't read that political crap though.

 

Small indeed, it seems.

 

@jmac-- So, can you try that again w/o so much expletive laced invective...

[mimartin]

Those upset about the report from Homeland Security last week should really read the report instead of only getting your news from bloggers and those that make money from stirring up their viewers/listeners.

 

You may also want to read the report released in January from Homeland Security. Seems Homeland Security believes extremist are a danger to our security, not conservatives and/or liberals. Oh and look the link is FoxNews to the January report. It must be correct.

[SkinWalker]

Well, it was equally unpatriotic to call Bush Hitler,

 

Agreed. Why does this matter to the case in point? Are you suggesting that because some were unpatriotic in calling Bush Hitler it is, therefore, rational and logical to refer to a black President as [insert pejorative]? Hmm...

 

Also, you are taking the connection to Isalm and creating a strawman. None I've heard says that being a Muslim makes you wrong simply b/c you're a muslim.

 

It is, however, the implication. There are photos linked above (by jmac, I think) which show this sentiment. It was to this sentiment and implication that I was referring.

 

Also, I rarely keep up with politics (detestable, you know), but I do remember the bigoted woman at the McCain rally who outright said "he's an A-Rab" on national television. So this sentiment is nothing new among fear-mongering conservatives, particularly the blow-hard loonies like Limbaugh, for instance.

 

But seriously, drop the race card, it would be rational to merely point out that you think the connections are tenuous at best and scurrilous at worst.

 

I'm sure the loons like Limbaugh et al. would like their critics to just "drop the race card" (whatever that means), but the fact of the matter is race is a big part of the problem. Obama is black and there are clearly a lot of white, middle- to upper-middle-class conservatives who are more than just miffed by it all.

 

The fact that you're arguing about it demonstrates that the points are in fact arguable (however distasteful you find the argument).

 

Racism is always distasteful. I've no doubt that you find racism shameful and detestable. But it is definitely a part of the equation and one that fear- and hate-mongers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Gibson, et al. would like not to be obvious. They prefer to keep it subtle.

 

But it isn't just race, its hatred and bigotry in general. Consider the comments on these placards from the pics above:

• Impeach Obama AKA Hussein
  
• The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens
  
• Stand Idle While Some Kenyan Tries to Destroy America?
  
• Obama - What you talkin about Willis! (sic)
  
• Sucking the Saudi Jewels (i.e. implying that fellatio was being performed)
  

[GarfieldJL]

Those upset about the report from Homeland Security last week should really read the report instead of only getting your news from bloggers and those that make money from stirring up their viewers/listeners.

 

You may also want to read the report released in January from Homeland Security. Seems Homeland Security believes extremist are a danger to our security, not conservatives and/or liberals. Oh and look the link is FoxNews to the January report. It must be correct.

 

That explains why several United States Senators are also pissed, as well as at least one Veteran Group... Fox News also pointed that fact out, it's who she calls right-wing extremists that's troubling.

 

@ SkinWalker

 

So now you're calling Rush a racist because he thinks Obama is a liberal nutcase, seriously Rush doesn't give a damn what color Obama's skin is.

[SkinWalker]

Limbaugh is a racist, bigoted, idiot and a blowhard. And a documented liar. And a drug addict.

[Achilles]

^^^^

 

you forgot "hypocrite"

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

and viagra enthusiast

[Totenkopf]

You'd truly have to be daft if you think that I'm insinuating that all participants of these so-called "tea parties" are racist, unpatriotic bigots. Go back and read what I wrote. I think you're allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment and comprehension skills.

 

If your whole argument, re this thread at least, is that there are some people who are coming across as loons based on a few pics, that's a fair cop. Whether they are genuine loonies from the left or right is debatable. Why? B/c while the right wing/anti-BO nutjobs may feel somewhat more comfortable in this setting, it's also possible that there are left-wing loons that wish to try as hard as possible to discredit the protests. Neither you nor I know which is truly which in this case. Thus, no definitive rational conclusions can be reached about their true identity. Merely specualtion.

 

 

Agreed. Why does this matter to the case in point? Are you suggesting that because some were unpatriotic in calling Bush Hitler it is, therefore, rational and logical to refer to a black President as [insert pejorative]? Hmm...

 

It's your inference. Hmm... Was merely pointing out that it's equally bad for both sides to resort to such hyperbole. We seem to be in agreement on that point, though.

 

It is, however, the implication. There are photos linked above (by jmac, I think) which show this sentiment. It was to this sentiment and implication that I was referring.

 

Actually, jmac just reposted one of the pics, RoxStar (#50) has all of them in his. Further, none of them address the claim you contend, that Islam is axiomatically wrong b/c it's Islam. Merely another reached for inference.

 

Also, I rarely keep up with politics (detestable, you know), but I do remember the bigoted woman at the McCain rally who outright said "he's an A-Rab" on national television. So this sentiment is nothing new among fear-mongering conservatives, particularly the blow-hard loonies like Limbaugh, for instance.

 

Well, as you said....there are loons. The left is full of them too.

 

I'm sure the loons like Limbaugh et al. would like their critics to just "drop the race card" (whatever that means), but the fact of the matter is race is a big part of the problem. Obama is black and there are clearly a lot of white, middle- to upper-middle-class conservatives who are more than just miffed by it all.

 

C'mon, Skin, those kinds of comments are what occasionally make me think you're being disingenuous. I think you know full well what the "race card" issue is all about. Besides, are you suggesting these conservatives are ALL opposed to BO because of his race? Care to quantify it? That kind of smear is more in Markos's dept.

 

Racism is always distasteful. I've no doubt that you find racism shameful and detestable. But it is definitely a part of the equation and one that fear- and hate-mongers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Gibson, et al. would like not to be obvious. They prefer to keep it subtle.

 

True racism is detestable, yes. But then I don't try to invent racism where it doesn't exist. Or overplay it's effects. For examples: opposition to illegal immigration and to BO.

 

But it isn't just race, its hatred and bigotry in general. Consider the comments on these placards from the pics above:

 

Quote:

Impeach Obama AKA Hussein

The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens

Stand Idle While Some Kenyan Tries to Destroy America?

Obama - What you talkin about Willis! (sic)

Sucking the Saudi Jewels (i.e. implying that fellatio was being performed)

 

Yes, political discourse would be much more civil and less contentious if people didn't resort to crude remarks (like #s 2 & 5) or the various t-bagging and sex oriented comments made on msnbc and cnn (as well as in print or the blogosphere). But hateful speech is virulent on the left and largely unchecked, so it becomes difficult to get excited when the left finds itself a "victim" of it's own M.O. As someone who detests following politics anyway, I'm sure you can understand.

[Darth Avlectus]

HK-47 voice: [Observation]: My my my, how tempers on both sides are flaring. Accusations and ire at the other fly like a room full of pies with the 3 stooges vs rich folks in a restaurant. Implicatons, irritations, snark snark snark.

 

I am rather enjoying this bickering. Heheh. [/HK-47]

 

So far as a race card: what a cop-out. Can't say anything against Obama without it pissing someone off until they shout racism, ignorance, or hate speech. The beginnings of what Stalin created known as political correctness? We're well on our way.

 

How is calling him by his real name "Barack Hussein Obama" a racist thing, pray tell?

 

Another thing. Cramer bothered to criticize the Obama administration from an economic financial POV. Cramer of mad money on nbc. Not some "right-wing, propaganda-loon, conspiracy-filled, hate-mongering, bigot-rhetoric organization", just nutty loveable old Cramer. And daily show (failure replacement) John Stewart decided to humiliate Cramer for it. Just throwing that out here.

[GarfieldJL]

Limbaugh is a racist, bigoted, idiot and a blowhard. And a documented liar. And a drug addict.

 

Thanks for proving you're a typical left-wing partisan and have been dishonest with us whenever you've said you're politically neutral.

 

 

For someone who claims Rush is wrong about everything you've sure given credibility to his stance on the Far Left, that if they can't win a debate they start charecter assassinations or playing the race card, or the gender card.

[Achilles]

You know, the interesting thing about the truth is that it doesn't hold a bias. That you don't recognize this reveals your bias.

 

and I certainly hope that you wouldn't presume to lambaste others for holding a bias when you hold one of your own

[GarfieldJL]

You know, the interesting thing about the truth is that it doesn't hold a bias. That you don't recognize this reveals your bias.

 

I know I am a Conservative, I freely admit it

 

 

and I certainly hope that you wouldn't presume to lambaste others for holding a bias when you hold one of your own

 

I'm lambasting some people for being dishonest and claiming they aren't biased when anyone with half a brain can recognize they are extremely biased. I wouldn't care if someone was honest about the fact they are biased, it really annoys me when they aren't honest about it.