Darth Avlectus Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Ah, to hell with both of them. Kick 'em off a cliff. To their credit they both want a piece of hawt jedi arse. One whines, the other I guess is a creep. *shrug* harharhar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allronix Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Ah, GTA. Tatooine would flood if we ever agreed on something :wink: Though I remember one quote on KFM regarding the "hawt Jedi arse" "Yes, Atton and Carth want to get into a nice set of Jedi pants. The difference is that Carth would like to marry the Jedi in said pants." Where I actually decided Onasi was a nice guy? The banters with Mission. Yeah, those two started off on the wrong note. The second banter where he was man enough to apologize to the kid and admit he needed her help helped warm up my opinion. By contrast, how Atton treated the Handmaiden and/or Disciple and T3-M4 really put me off. Playing through both games now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Well, tatooine would, but where's all the water? From a guy's perspective: As a male exile his harshness towards others comes across more as unspoken loyalty. Well Atton is only kind of creepy, playing as a fem exile. But so was it kind of creepy from disciple and you could see his moves a mile away. All in relative senses. As either male or female exile, Atton won't admit it but there is a lot more care and loyalty under the surface. Plus to go from jedi killer to remorseful and even "atoning" about it says a lot as well. As far as him being harsh 1)towards Handmaiden... Remember the saying "bros before hoes"? He's looking out for your male exile and it isn't exactly without good reason because if you'll recall she *was* first to confront you on Telos' polar academy AND she *did* sneak aboard. Suppose it's also a tad personal/professional, she works for the republic, he doesn't care too much for the republic. 2) As far as his treatment towards Disciple...well, it's a cultural and male competitive thing. Disciple is like a royal gentleman hopelessly doomed to be stepped on and "just friends" in a more American like society--poor chap. Granted, Atton is being like a typical American guy--a jerk. But it's not all jealousy, it's competition too. Perhaps mingled with dislike for the republic which disciple serves. EDIT: Well, Mira did catch him eavesdropping, and outlined his flaws which *do* come standard on a regular guy. Far as Carth... whiny in either case but openly and undeniably loyal--you have to be the one to betray him. He does eventually have a legit reason for his issues. As a male character, I wouldn't exactly call him bro but I suppose like a good neighbor. Maybe like family given enough time and knowledge of him. As a female character...Carth's approach isn't the way I'd go about hitting on fem revan if I were in his spot. However, the writer *did* at least get the confidence part down (if nothing else). Confidence works for any guy's game. Period. He never does let you go wrong though his methods may lack firmness and resolve at times. His main concerns are the republic and isn't sure about the mandalorian. Canderous, bah, he's like an old biker dude and probably has women-squeezes everywhere; a bit of native American Warrior IMO (speaking as part Native American myself). Anyways, I always do at least try to have it so Carth deals the killing blow to Saul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 The question should be if they were working together, who would pilot the Ebon Hawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 Look, Allronix, your epic fanfic is coming true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roller123 Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Atton: cool Carth: whiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredi Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Atton. I don't like Carth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allronix Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Look, Allronix, your epic fanfic is coming true! *snerk* Actually, if I were to kill off Rand? Obsidian's cut content where Atton sacrificed himself against Sion was gorgeous. Will not argue it. Dark Side Atton? I'd hand the job to Mical, and just to add a little insult, have Mikey shoot the guy. "Yeah, I knew what you were. I know your real name, your body count, your rather dubious service record, and I knew them about twenty minutes after meeting you. Say what you like about Jedi, but do not cross Republic Intelligence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blix Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I thought I had posted in this thread (or maybe a similar one?) I like Carth but I always thought he was too emotional and I rather enjoyed Atton's laid back attitude. If it were real life I don't think I could sit in the cockpit with Carth for two minutes and listen to him rant on about getting his revenge or lecture me on being a useless Jedi or a Sith (all of that negative energy would make me want to plant my lightsaber into his cranium), I would much rather play pazzak with Atton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarza Mora Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Apples and oranges, sentient. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan 411 Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Their both great in their own unique way. Carth for the voice, and Atton for the relate-able attitude he has. I like them both, and I honestly can't choose one over the other. Plus, their both better then Bastila. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roller123 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 How dare you Although i do like the starting combo of Kreia+Atton more, being not so utterly clichee. Still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forogorn Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 I believe that both Atton and Carth are great characters. Carth's not whiny one bit, in fact, he is honest and loyal, especially to female Revan. As for Atton, he's cool and all, but if I were to hang out with him, he might assassinate me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarHero-D Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 carth ftw no doubt there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbro1000 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think both characters strike an interesting parallel. Carth Onasi is a decorated Republic war hero, and Atton Rand... well... Show spoiler (hidden content - requires Javascript to show) he used to be a Jedi killer. Both Carth and Atton are some the first party members in KOTOR and TSL, respectively, so they both stand as veterans, in terms of being your character's companion. Both have pasts they'd rather not speak of, adding elements of mystery to their character - this compelled me to converse with them, in order to discover the truth. Carth is a soldier, and Atton is a scoundrel, and though they both use blasters, they have different talents. Which one is better? Neither; they are both unique and excellent characters - I couldn't choose one over the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blix Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I'll reinforce my opinion from 2010: Carth is too whiny and dramatic for my tastes, Atton all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyvark Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I'd have to put them in an arena and see who survives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejman217 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Atton definitely. I respect carth and his loyalties, but I prefer to serve something while ALIVE, not dead. Meaning, if I was given the opportunity to be fully committed to something, I would do it. However, of it put my life in danger, then I wouldn't follow it, unlike carth. I'm not willing to die for ANYTHING other than family. Atton, when he realizes he's in danger, he knows how and when to leave. I like that I a person. Plus, atton is a (lost) jedi, and carth is not. I like Jedi better than normal people. Plus, atton is not whiny unless he's yelling at kreia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Saget Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 For me this is kind of a simple question... Throughout Kotor, you get Carth questioning your loyalty and how he doesn't trust you at all. While personally it is fun grilling him and making fun of him, his character is just not that well defined. It's kind of hard to trust a guy who doesn't trust you. On the other hand, you have Atton whom you don't know anything about at first, is pretty handy in sticky situations and is really great at certain moments. Especially when you find out about his past, that's where his character takes off. So IMO, Atton is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwarzchick112 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I said it on KFM and I'll say it here: ATTON ALL THE WAY! It really pisses me off when people go "oh, he's so evil the exile should run!" when everybody supports Luke/Mara, which is pretty much the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDR Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Neither. HK-47 for life. It's the logical choice, gentlemen. However, I'd probably be for Carth. His situation is understandable. Besides, wouldn't you be rather pissed if your mentor betrayed and killed you family and then bombed your homeworld? (Think off them, per se, razing Earth.) Of course, he whines, but you eventually gain his trust, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*~*Darth pOOba*~* Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Carth, hands down. His voice is sexy! And he's one of those war heroes who was damage emotionally... Which just made him more hot. Oh and he was a great person too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMourlock Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 As a companion, Carth, he's the typical loyal guy who will do anything for his friend. For interesting dialogue, Atton without question. Atton's dialogue in KOTOR 2 by far surpasses anything Carth ever says to you. The part where Atton explains in detail how to kill a Jedi was just creepy, great writing right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Don Jorn Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Atton is better than Carth. TSL is better than KotOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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