matt-- Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I can't believe they're proposing this. info site: http://www.stoppoliceware.org petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/petition.html apparently, this would make linux and BSD operating systems illegal(not that it would stop me) sign it and spread the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I think someone read the book Nineteen Eighty-Four and took it to heart. Talk about Big Brother, sheesh. Next they'll be demanding webcams on the top of every PC, just to make sure you are who you say you are when you log on. And what about Anti-Trust laws now? What they're effectively saying there is you can use any OS you like as long as it's Windows. Screwy...or scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluRR1587246507 Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Spooky. If they send anyone to jail, they'll have to send us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest digl Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 The law would force all new personal computers and digital home entertainment devices sold in the United States to have government-approved "policeware" built-in. [simpsons Nelson voice]Ha ha![/simpsons Nelson voice] j/k seriously, If that is approved It would end up being used worldwide, and Its totally against our rights and our freedom [ October 11, 2001: Message edited by: digl ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 doesn't windows XP already have something a bit like this built in? And i remember reading that new hard drives are gonna have some sort of hardware to only allow mp3 files you have rights to or something. Dunno how that would work. Looks like we are all gonna be stuck with winME and small hard disks for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Spyware sucks... and we don't need more snooping, it's bad enough with hackers/crackers/whatevers doing it, and corporate fat cats and wannabe-spammer conmen doing it, do we need police doing it too? And don't get me started on monopoly strong-arming either. ; p On the other hand, I have no problem with lawful search and seizures by legitimate authority. Innocent until proven guilty, authorized warrants, etc and due process and justice (informed of rights, right to a fair and speedy trial, right to an attorney). But I think the right to privacy should be respected. Maybe we buy a liscense to use commercial software, but when we buy a computer, we OWN it, and we can do what we like with it. There is a big difference between having reasonable suspcion that somebody is breaking the law, obtaining a warrant, and aquiring evidence, and simply spying on EVERYONE as if they were already considered guilty. Give people a chance to be informed and make their own choices, I say. My 2 cents... Kurgan -------------------- "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jefferson "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhuf Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Just scanning though the draft bill, it really does look like it goes too far. Normally a warrant is required to search through one's file cabinets to see if you have any illegal documents or possessions. But not under this bill... I wonder if this bill became law it could even be considered constitutional (either at the federal or state levels). Imagine if congress passed a law that said, 'all telephones must have listening devices installed. Any attempts to removed them are illegal and punishable by fine.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I don't live in the US (uk before u ask) but that fickin ridiculous! if they doen that then 50% of people qould get nicked for having copies! i strongly disagree! i mean it's bad enough but police watching ur everymove is bad... Very Bad. I mean if every house had 1 of these i would be uneasy knowing that i was being monitored. Big Brother was based on the book nineteen eighty four where the cameras where everywhere and u were always being watched no matter what! If this happened then what would happen if u put in a disk that u thought was real but acutally a pirate! u'd get ****ed for the wrong reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rogue15 Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 sounds like a good bill to me! I'd prefer to be watched very closely, that way, if anyone tried to do anything wrong to me, they'd be screwed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Argath Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 When I first heard about this, I almost expected to see a clause requiring Linux users to wear Tux the Penguin armbands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_XIIII Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 <hr> LOL if copys of OS's were realesed with it, it would take long for some hacker with nothin ta do to remove it...... jus like with cd checks. + wouldn't it make every OS illgeal? dos 1-6.22 WinBlows 1.0-5.1, Linux Unix, Mac OS, OS/2warp, and everyother OS....... oh and for all u people that don't know what windows 5.1 is, its windows XP 5.0 is 2k XP is nothin but a upgrade to NT not a serious upgrade either, to desginate a new number eg 6. oh and another thing, how would this policeware contact the police if theres no internetconnection on the computer... or better yet jus no modem of anysort. <hr> <marquee> </marquee> <hr> [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Red_XIIII ] [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Red_XIIII ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted October 13, 2001 Author Share Posted October 13, 2001 That gives me an idea. <marquee> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted October 13, 2001 Author Share Posted October 13, 2001 Will this scroll? [EDIT] It doesn't scroll, but that info bar on the bottom does! <marquee> [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: matt-windu ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krayt Tion Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Remember the Blue Ribbon campaigns on the internet several years ago? This Policing business is the most disturbing computer news since they tried to pooch-screw us and our First Amendment with the Communications Decency Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_XIIII Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 remeber to use a /marqee after ure sentance heh u coulda screwed the whole page after that point of ure post, if it wasnt this is sutch a nice forum to cut it off. [ [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Red_XIIII ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted October 13, 2001 Author Share Posted October 13, 2001 I know. The /td ends all tags nested within Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack1812 Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 My god......if this gets passed..... This sucks big time I live downunder and if they adopt it here im gonna get upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
access_flux Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 this is ridikulous. i say no. as the hackers manifesto says - "you may stop me but you can't stop us all." do you know how hard this would be to monitor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Argath Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Not very. If a law like this was passed, the government would presumably force the ISP's to verify that their customers are using OS's employing the policeware. Depending on how the policeware is implemented, there could be ways for some people to slip through the cracks, but I'd expect it to be very effective for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millions o' Monkeys Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 hey superstupidstormie isnt there already a fine for owning pirated things here in australia...they lately seemed to have upped it a bit but its not stopping anyone..thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack1812 Posted October 14, 2001 Share Posted October 14, 2001 Yeah there is a fine, but no one is really enforcing it. The only real way to get busted would be to flaunt all your copies around. But i think they really only worry about those who are getting money for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 14, 2001 Share Posted October 14, 2001 Just to set the record straight, I'm against pirated copies of anything. If you own something and keep a backup copy (or copies) for your own personal peace of mind, that's fine by me. However, I can't really agree with just copying and distributing stuff all over the place. I don't think that's really fair on the originators of the work. So I can understand where the idea for such a bill might come from. The reason why I'm against it (and I live in the UK) is because it would restrict the freedom of the many to catch the few. And if such a law was passed, it opens the door for others of a similar nature. Just IMO. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted October 14, 2001 Author Share Posted October 14, 2001 This is why I like games for download: I enjoyed playing tachyon: the fringe, which I own legally, however, my CD was scratched, undoubtably the result of an action taken by one of my siblings. What am I to do? Buy a new copy, no...that's a waste of cash. I wish I had backed it up, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 14, 2001 Share Posted October 14, 2001 Well, in that situation I'd check with the publisher or something - sometimes they are willing to send out a replacement CD if you have proof of purchase. I know not all of them do that, though, and it is a problem. I've got a couple of scratched (unrecoverable) disks myself. Of course, I've had my fingers burned too many times not to back my stuff up on a fairly regular basis. For the price of a CD stack, I know I won't have to shell out if an older game CD get's scratched or misplaced. New CDs with copy protection are a different matter. Of course, friends who borrow games to try out and don't return them are another problem entirely... [ October 14, 2001: Message edited by: StormHammer ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted October 14, 2001 Share Posted October 14, 2001 why is it that the police (whome we, the common person, support, pay their salaries, and hire them to protect us) are always finding a way to look bad in the public eye... why do they feel that they dont owe us anything, and their only purpose is to control us? why does the government feel that we (people who are no better, nor worse than they are) are too stupid to take care of ourselves... that we are all self-distructive... that we cannot find our asses with both hands... why is it that the people we elect and hire seem to turn against us?!?!?! i wanna know if it is something in the water in Washington DC, or what..... [/rant] whew, im dont now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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