Attn: Heavy Stance Experts

[Darth Kaan]

I want to start by saying that this is a thread directed towards those that Like and use the Heavy stance. I know many of you like light or medium or a combination of both or all three. Personelly I have learned and used Light and medium up until now myself.

 

So, in wanting to learn the heavy stance now, I started this thread about it. Please don't flame those that use the Heavy stance or that contribute to this string in a sincere manner. If you dont like the heavy stance please don't post.

 

Okay, first off, has anyone written a Saber Guide focusing only on the heavy stance? If not, is anyone willing to? I am talking a real guide, not one that explains what most of us already know. IE: things other than the DFA and BS, like chaining combos.

 

Second, what side do you play most, light or dark, and what force powers (if applicable)do you like to use with the Heavy stance?

 

Third, please explain the ways you practice to perfect your timing.

 

Fourth, tell us aspiring heavy stance users about your favorite duel or most memorable moment in multi player.

 

Looking forward to reading some great stuff! :-)

 

Kaan

[Kurgan]

It's actually called the "Strong" stance (or style), but don't feel bad, many people make that mistake.

 

I'm moving this thread to Multiplayer Strategy since that's where it belongs. Good luck, there are many posted strategies and guides here if you look and check out my site: Outcast Strategy in the hosted sites links. ; )

[Psionic Jedi]

I'm not an expert at Strong stance, but I can tell you it's forward slash is a great spam move. Just run forward, backward, or stay still and Attack. It deals damage per second it's inside a body, so it's a valuable knockdown followup.

 

I like to headbash people with this move, starting a swing and charging as fast as i can at walk speed and darting back out. if it hits it's pretty devestating on the recieving end.

 

If the "axe chop" fails, then drag the saber ((near the end of the move when it's nearest to the ground)) towards their lower body, it deals a healthy (or unhealthy) amount of damage also.

 

As for spins, they require better timing and skill than from someone like me, so I leave that input to the experts.

[Jah Warrior]

The red stance can be chained if you didnt already know,

 

the most ive seen or managed is 3 hits linked to a DFA ending.

 

Experiment with the diagonal strikes and I'm sure you will find the combinations necessary.

 

These combose are also far quicker and they look nice too.

[Darth Kaan]

Originally posted by Kurgan

It's actually called the "Strong" stance (or style), but don't feel bad, many people make that mistake.

 

I'm moving this thread to Multiplayer Strategy since that's where it belongs. Good luck, there are many posted strategies and guides here if you look and check out my site: Outcast Strategy in the hosted sites links. ; )

 

Uh, okay... thanks, but as I said, I was looking for a guide that concentrated on the Heavy (Red) stance only, not the basic guides with basic info that cover all three.

 

I have played against some red stance players that are really good with it and their knowledge obviousely far exceeds the information in generic guides that explain what most of us already know.

 

Psionic Jedi and Jah Warrior, thanks for posting. What you guys said was along the lines of what I was looking for. I know the best way to learn is by doing, but any pointers sure speed things up. Thanks again. :-)

 

Kaan

[MediocreSlacker]

Howdy! I think I have a demo lying around of someone who showed all the heavy stance combos. I can send it to you if you want. I don't think I can post it up anywhere, cause it's not mine.

 

doH! I can't seem to find it. I'll let you know if I ever do.

 

OK! I can talk about the hardest thing to do in the game (in my opinion). I'm talking about the front three hit combo. Basically, you hold down on attack and press StrafeLeft+Forward, Forward, and StrafeRight+Forward. The trick is in the timing.

 

1.) As soon as the swing animation for the StrafeLeft+Forward swing starts, switch to holding down on the Forward key.

 

2.) Now wait toward the END of the Forward slash and press StrafeRight+Forward, just as the saber is up and to the left from the end of the previous slash (the Forward one).

 

Did that make sense? Try it out and you'll see what I mean. If you get the timing wrong, you'll either end up with just two slashes, and the last slash will end with your saber pointed downward, or you will do two slashes, and then an awkward third slash after a pause. If you do it correctly, the second slash will end with the saber pointing up and to the left, and the third slash will be right after the second one, with no pause.

 

slacker

[XERXES]

i find in strong stance that if you hold left or right, he will swing twice. Its pretty nice considering when most people see that you are in red, they assume that after you swing once that you cant swing again for another second so they move in just in time to hit that second swing...

[MrYepp]

I think the key to strong stance is to know the moves. For instance the quick downward one can be quite useful at times where a quick strike is needed.

[defalc]

It's quite good at hammering yellow and red users. Swing and at the same time run at them, timing it so you bring your sabre down at close range. You'll bat away their sabre or you'll split them in two.

[[RAA]-=Chi3f=-]

My fav stance? The combined stance.

 

It's when you combine styles quick enough to make them wonder what you're doing. If you can use the quick style chain attacks, switch to strong, and implament DFA fast enough they'll never know what hit them!

 

I like to think of each "style" as one style. It changes the way you play entirely.

[Bluezman]

I like the sidesweep moves because of their range.

 

A nice combo is to go into a left-to-right sidesweep (right + attack) and then into a diagonal left-to-right upward slash (right + back + attack). If you chain these two, you will perform a chained spinning move:

 

right + attack, then back + right + attack (keeping attack pressed all the time)

 

Looks cool plus most people don't expect it. Use it as follows:

Start the first swing and close in on your enemy and leave him to your left side. Mostly he will pass you to your left and when you spin you'll hit him in the back with the second swing

 

You can also chain a dfa at the end, making it a three-move-combo. Looks also very cool and has some surprise to it. Goes like this:

 

right + attack, then back + right + attack, then forward + attack + +jump (keeping attack pressed all the time)

 

Most people don't expect it coming out of this combo

 

Also nice if someone is following you:

 

run into a wall, shortly before you hit the wall, start a red swing, then double tap jump. You will perform a backflip from the wall, landing behind your opponent (press back in mid-air to get distance to the wall) at the moment you perform the downswing in his back

 

Only works if he is really following you closely). Also don't start the swing too early because otherwise you'll do a dfa into the wall.

 

There's lots of other nice things possible if you combine different swings with wall walks, side flibs and backflips, just fool around!

 

You can also do this running into an enemy: if you run into the enemy and start a red swing, then double tap jump, youll kick him in his face. Only he won't expect a kick if he sees you starting a swing. If you are very lucky, you'll hit with the kick AND with the swing.

[Darth Kaan]

Originally posted by -=Chi3f=-

My fav stance? The combined stance.

 

It's when you combine styles quick enough to make them wonder what you're doing. If you can use the quick style chain attacks, switch to strong, and implament DFA fast enough they'll never know what hit them!

 

I like to think of each "style" as one style. It changes the way you play entirely.

 

Yah, but thats not Heavy stance specific info which is what this thread is about.

[karismatik]

lotsa good tips here...

 

some of the more obvious things are also important... the red stance is largely a reactive stance i think... if you attack, it's easy for them to counter, step in and bs you... so you react to them, like kick them and dfa, or like wait till the opportune moment and kick, roll into the right position and backsweep yourself... or if you don't like doing those kinda moves, you just have to make sure that you don't attack while they're carefully watching you, because they'll react and take you down fast...

 

another obvious thing, take advantage that most of these aren't like blue lunge or dfa, in that you can still change direction during the move... and use this to your advantage... keep the saber in the enemy's body throughout the move...

 

dfa is a surprisingly effective move... so many ppl hate it, but so many times i've humiliated enemies by killing with it (not even with the kick beforehand)... simply by not using it for a while, then going into it from ANY of the red stance moves... just when they don't expect it... that's the main thing, you need to surprise them with it, or else it won't work...

 

backsweep is undoubtedly the most effective move to rely on and spam to rack up kills and duel victories... when your opponent is near you or on the ground, it's an easy quick flick of the mouse and hit and they're dead almost immediately... (provided you time it right and get them on the first part of the backsweep) - i hate spamming moves, but it's the cruel truth, ain't it???

 

sorry if i haven't told anyone anything new, it all seems quite obvious, but these are probably the few things really needed to play an effective game... these and the combos listed in earlier posts... and practice!!! i think that it's also good to lull your opponent into impatience, because red stance is really all about patience... if you wait to the right time to strike true, then you'll win... the rest of the time, it's easy to play reactive, and bluff moves when you don't need to hit them... but just to try to lure them into some form of attack and you've got them killed!!! (especially good if you can convince your opponent you're not in the same style)

 

cheers!

[Darth Kaan]

Bluezman,

 

Great post! Thanks for that great info!

 

Kaan

[Darth Kaan]

karismatik,

 

Great stuff. Thanks for posting it.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Bluezman

You can also do this running into an enemy: if you run into the enemy and start a red swing, then double tap jump, youll kick him in his face. Only he won't expect a kick if he sees you starting a swing. If you are very lucky, you'll hit with the kick AND with the swing.

 

I get this a lot when trying to battle a red-user. They get so frustrated that they can't hit me, and start to kick me to death instead.... what skill. And there's not much I can do about it anyway, I don't wish to start a kickwar and degrade myself to their level of playing.

 

Just for you red users out there:

What bluez said above is very easy to do, but if that is all you can do, then get out of here.

[LivingSacrifice]

I have learned a great deal just cruising this thread. Thanks to all the people who take the time to pass out some knowledge.

 

 

I like the Heavy stance, try to use it as much as possible, that and the Medium. Those are my two favorites. But this is good stuff here. I am just soaking it up:D

 

 

Peace...

 

edit...<---------look I'm a Pit Droid "oh happy day, oh happy day! " (bad huh?)

[Nuke]

Hi Bluez, I didnt get it. I tried it for a while today, but he always went back into the normal position (Ausangsposition). Could you explain it again (probably in German)?

 

OK, thats what I did: I waited until he is in the "normal position", that is the position that indicates, that he is ready for a swing. Then I pressed +attack, +left(a-key) after the swing was pretty much through I pressen also the +back key. It didnt work while running he waited to get back into normal and then swinged again (no spin). So I tried to released -left and then pressed +left,+back agan. I tried again hitting +back earlier. didn't work either.

 

Please help.

[Darth Kaan]

Nuke,

 

I may be wrong as I am new to using Red stance too but Distance and timing is everything. I noticed to pull these moves off you have to be the right distance from the opponent and the timing has to be right.

 

If your close enough for them to block the first attack, the second move in a chained attack wont spin or turn. Especially the back + left or right movement.

 

When I time it right it works.

 

Kaan

[Twins of Doom]

if you want help with the heavy stance you should do a search for [JHQ]Absolute0 because he can kick some major ass with the heavy stance

[Bluezman]

Originally posted by cjais

 

I get this a lot when trying to battle a red-user. They get so frustrated that they can't hit me, and start to kick me to death instead.... what skill. And there's not much I can do about it anyway, I don't wish to start a kickwar and degrade myself to their level of playing.

 

Just for you red users out there:

What bluez said above is very easy to do, but if that is all you can do, then get out of here.

Uuuuuhhh.... EXCUSE ME?! Slightly arrogant tone there to your post...

 

I didn't talk about kicking someone to death, or did I!?!? Certainly the reason for kicking is not "getting frustrated because I can't hit" my opponent. I am also against kickwars.

 

All I am saying basically is that you can use the fact for your advantage that you can start a swing and at the same time do something else like change the direction you running or do a wall walk or.... kick.

 

Most people are confused with the red stance and think their opponent is, too. So when they see that you start a swing, they can't imagine that you are not all consumed concentrating on the swing but are indeed also able to pull off a kick.

 

All moves or combos explained here can be spammed, just like kick. This post is not about kicking or spamming, it is about red stance.

 

Stick with the topic.

[Nuke]

Kaan,

 

So you mean it workes in MP only with opponents? Anyhow, I think its a good idea to use it on opponents :-). Well in sp it worked (also whithout them). It looked great. But In MP I didn't figure out so far. But maybe those bots where not in the right place. I will continue ... Any hints are still very welcome.

 

Nuke

[Bluezman]

Originally posted by Nuke

Hi Bluez, I didnt get it. I tried it for a while today, but he always went back into the normal position (Ausangsposition). Could you explain it again (probably in German)?

 

OK, thats what I did: I waited until he is in the "normal position", that is the position that indicates, that he is ready for a swing. Then I pressed +attack, +left(a-key) after the swing was pretty much through I pressen also the +back key. It didnt work while running he waited to get back into normal and then swinged again (no spin). So I tried to released -left and then pressed +left,+back agan. I tried again hitting +back earlier. didn't work either.

 

Please help.

Ok, here it goes. "Ausgangsposition" is fine.

 

To start the swing, press right first, then attack. If you press attack first, you'll start a downward swing and start running right at the same time. Actually, after you have started the swing (it has to be a horizontal left-to-right swing) you can release the right-key or otherwise you'll keep running right all the time.

 

So now that leaves you with only your attack button pressed and watching your character go through the orizontal swing.

 

Half way through the swing, when your saber passes through your 12 o'clock, press back + right + attack. Attack button still pressed. Your character should go into the spin now. After that you can also release back + right.

 

That leaves you with only the attack button pressed, your character going through the spin.

 

Now at any time, press forward + jump + attack to go in an dfa.

 

Actually I found out, that you can also release the attack button at the same moment you release the right or right + back buttons, thats the specialty about red stance, once the move is going, you can do what you want. I find it easier though to keep attack pressed.

 

Oh, one more thing: the whole thing works also with "left" instead of "right". Does the spinning the other way round.

 

For an explanation in German please pm me, I don't wanna talk German here since this is an English spoken forum. We can also meet on a server if you like and I'll show you.

[Twins of Doom]

to do spins in heavy stance you just do another move right afterwards that's a 40 degree angle difference (or less)

basically

Diagonal + side + back diagonal

 

aka:

 

A + W + ATTACK, let go of W, then press S, that will do 2 spins

[C'jais]

Just got back from a game of skilled red-junkies....

 

It's so irritating to fight against good red players more than anything - they do their 3 combo swings and flee like wabbits *just* before my yellow wrath is upon them.... grrrrr....

 

Blue kamikazies I can handle, at least the fight is over quick no matter who is good, but red players are a chore to play against - it takes hours for fooks sake!!