Pada-Wan Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 This was previously posted by another board that i go to. I forget his name, but below is what he wrote--------------------------------------------- "In a decade or two, the American Empire will become a dictatorship. As we speak, the President seeks to take power from the people and their representatives and place it in the executive branch for "homeland defence" and to protect us from the terrorists. Essentially, the 9/11 attacks (which are supposedly the fault of SOMEONE ELSE and nobody has ever suspected our own nation's black ops of being capable of this crime, but I digress) served the purpose of frightening everyone into GIVING UP THEIR RIGHTS! While we cowered and complained about "terrorism", the standing government passed laws that made it easier to tap phones, make accusations, and plant evidence. Now they can detain you if you are "suspected of terrorism" and it will be up to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH to determine if you are a threat to "national security". They don't have to take you before a court of law, either. If you're a "terrorist" then you aren't subject to our nation's legal system until you've been approved for such an honor. Guilty until proven innocent, in other words. Look it up. All the laws that were passed because of this "terrorism" are dispicable. The "security measures" are easily perverted to extend to AMERICAN CITIZENS. The CIA and FBI have been rallying to have these laws changed so they can legally invade your privacy and make arrests based on "suspicion" rather than evidence. Now, the grandson of Prescott Bush has finally suceeded in completing what his family started generations ago: He's opened the door for the fall of democracy. If you don't think we're going to start bullying other countries, you're wrong. If you don't think your freedoms are being quietly taken away from you, you're a fool. BUT everybody wants to believe the President and the news media. We're safe! We're being protected! Papa Bush LOVES YOU! And so may of you will call me a crackpot conspiracy theorist... Let me ask you this, though: Do you think they called the whistle blowers during Hitler's rise "crackpots"? Yep. Did they accuse those who warned of Josef Stalin "conspiracy theorists" within Russia? Yes. Did the enemies of Senator Joe McCarthy cry foul and suffer for it? You bet they did. Sometimes, people like myself cry foul for a REAL reason. If you don't want to see it, and would rather live the fantasy and blissfully believe the lies we're being told, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted August 26, 2002 Author Share Posted August 26, 2002 im not saying i think this is true, i was just wondering what u guys think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Damage Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 i think that is a fat heavy load of steamy bantha Poodoo and you know a frech guy came up with that theory so dont count on it being true i saw the paper with the dude in it. hes a real jackass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 I'm inclined to agree (with the first post), except that the "solutions" were almost all money based. Hence the destruction of the WORLD TRADE CENTRE . There is always a possibility this was the government's counter to a rapid economy drop because lately we have seen a lot happening around the Amer stocks/finance... other than that there are a few more issues, as if Osama/Usama whatever the hell his name is, DID indeed bomb the WTC, was he such an idiot that he couldn't see the new United States of Afghanistan within the next what...2 weeks? That kind of counters of "the good for his people". Not to mention everything the USA has gained from the "plane" aspect of the incident...as in tourists staying at home (gee, why was it done at summer?) and spending their money in-land, you can see what the government got to pass (out of the laws), and surprisingly when Bush came to power his main goal was that he wanted more money into his army (which of the approval was later on justified by 9/11)... Ehh you get 11 billion in the occupation of Afghanistan (that's how much it was worth I think or something). Hmm, you just pitted yourself a headquarters base in the ******* of the world = Middle East (ever since Palestinians vs. Israel, blah blah blah), so now you get to control things remote. Now many people will say "Yeah but the government also SPENT a lot...blah blah", yeah not nearly enough towards the ticket winnings they had from this. So what's the gain/loss for America? Gain = all the above, plus things I forgot to mention (^that was just off the top of my head, oh yeah right, what about those "war-time prices, ie OIL/Petrol..."?), against the statistics of 2000 people loss (tough luck, you got millions on millions of dead during the world wars, yeah 2000 is gonna matter now). Blah to the next guy that shows up with the attitude of the guy who posted above me, I'm gonna say I really don't have an opinion on all this. Both of the choices you have are relative. Perhaps someone with billions of dollars and was stupid really WAS trying to "oh my god I'm gonna sacrifice 2000 people to you, and a BIG BIG building, maybe 2, praise you, controlling MY FORCAS FROM CAVES", or something like that, and being that most of the times the simplest explanation is usually the truthful one, then it could be that it was done by an idiot. So...I'm undecided, ok? Go bitch and moan to someone else if you don't like the facts I pointed out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 WEll, after all, the Americans did train the Afghan's to fight Russia, and this is where Bin Laden based himself. So there is no real stretch to see that American Military infrastructure was used against it's own company..... As for oil, that is run by OPEC, and not the USA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Uh huh, and the USA has no profit from getting 10 fold amounts of money than usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomicidalegg Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 interesting theory.... but don't think so, though i do believe us using this so they can war whoever the hell they want *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 I agree with that, it has given the US an excuse to be the bully again, the same reason that the US is hated by these poor countries, since they see the US stepping into fights they choose. They only choose those fights that they saw as politically advantageous, instead of doing it for moral values...... But then again, then that is trying to analyse a country that is so self-obsessed, and inward looking, that it is xenophobic........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 I'm more concerned about getting mugged, or someone being raped by the common American criminal. Domestic crime far exceed foreign threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrKASperov Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Nice theory, that was kinda the first thing that sprang to my mind when I heard of the WTC bombing... The US power move has begun.... Whether the US bombed the WTC or not, I dont care, I jsut notice they are indeed making a power grab, and I fear they wont stop with 'terrorist' countries. (do they have proof all those 'terrorist' countries actually ARE terrorists? NO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 If they had done nothing - we would have looked pretty stupid. I would have felt pretty unsafe. Yes - the US steps in sometimes where it doesn't belong. We nuked Huroshima for less right? So we didn't toooo drastic of measures. I'm positive it was who they are saying it is. But I do feel they use things like this to push bills that otherwise would have NEVER passed. The government is sneaky like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hmm, so basically this guy is saying that the US sacrificed it's own people in order to start a war(on Terrorism). This will then give the government reason to pass laws and bills, allowing them to build up a massive army, give themselves more and almost ultimate power, eventually turning the US, maybe the World into a Dictatorship? Sounds vaguely familiar to something that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... Just in case anyone didn't quite catch on, this post is a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Personally, I don't think Bush has the intelligence to construct such a plan. You're right though, freedoms are being stripped, and I don't like it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Dictarorship? USA? Nah..... what knida bull is this anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Originally posted by matt-windu Personally, I don't think Bush has the intelligence to construct such a plan. You honestly don't believe that the president does all the thinking and makes all the decisions on his own, do you? Very few things could be farther from the truth. And I also hope that you don't think a president gets his way at every turn. The president of USA being the most powerful man in the world is naive nonsense - look behind the man in the spotlight. To comment on the thread as a whole, a government's ability to successfully deceive and manipulate a population through promises, flamboyant flashbangs of "foreign" origin (as the 9/11 conspiracy theory presented here), misguidance and propaganda is a history given fact. The reason they succeed is due to the population's faith in their government until it's to late to be stopped. USA is no overt dictatorship in the classical sense, no; if they want to dictate the direction of the world they need to be sneakier. What will work against them is information technology in the hands of more or less enlightened persons and the world getting smaller because of said technology. What will work for them is that 'the mob' is basically the same as through all of history; give us riches and illusions of safety and freedom and we'll trust you blindly. Is the idea that US manipulated 9/11 into happening thus allowing for more control, military funding and mistargeting of reasons for downsloping economy totally misinformed? Worth contemplating. Disclaimer: This is just thoughts on the matter, not oppinions of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 This is better than any theory in that "Conspiracy Theory" thread. Very, very interesting thoughts PW. When I first open this thread I was expecting to be about the dollar bill issue. Well, I suppose you could be very correct. These are all scary yet truthful thoughts. LOL. This is sort of off subject, but me and my threads made up this theory a while ago the Taliban was bankrupt, so they decided to begin selling American flags in the U.S. and then proceed to hit the world trade centers. It was the percect money making scheme. Look at the bottom of your flag you patriots! "Made in Afgahnistan" is what it says, I swear! Anywho, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hmmm, interesting theory. I really dont have much to say but it's perfectly possible, i just realised in the US they say the dats back to front and 9/11 looks much like 911 the ermegency line. Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Wow, people can think. I was expecting after my post something to the account of; Originally posted by Darth Damage i think that is a fat heavy load of steamy bantha Poodoo and you know a frech guy came up with that theory so dont count on it being true i saw the paper with the dude in it. hes a real jackass ...cool...there is still hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Originally posted by Pada-Wan im not saying i think this is true, i was just wondering what u guys think however I still lost all respect I might have had for you when I saw the title of this post and looked over to see who posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Honestly? I don't care. Earth isn't even my home...I"m just living in a huge hotel (America) right now. I don't care of the hotel manager decides to put security locks on my door that requires key cards to open. Heaven's my home...and I'll always think of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 bah, the cahcnes are we're gonna be hit by an asteroids or global warming will flood the ice caps and we will become water world and we'll ahve re-activated volcanoes and tornadoes and we'll all die that way and end up there somehow (unless your jedi2k2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted August 26, 2002 Author Share Posted August 26, 2002 "however I still lost all respect I might have had for you when I saw the title of this post and looked over to see who posted it." oh well, i'll still live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 maybe someone already said this but where have we seen this before? in the SW galactic senate? yes, palpatine used tragedies to gain ultimate power and promised to give it back, but as we all know, power corrupts, what if that happens to america? bush is the emperor, cheyney's his darth vader, the cia are the royal guards, and the military is his republic army? then who will be the rebels? who will be OUR jedi? it is a question that will only be answered with time anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Originally posted by Agen_Terminator bah, the cahcnes are we're gonna be hit by an asteroids or global warming will flood the ice caps and we will become water world and we'll ahve re-activated volcanoes and tornadoes and we'll all die that way and end up there somehow (unless your jedi2k2) Actually we'll all freeze to death Global warming = Gulf stream/other streams = dead = 3km of ICE !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin maybe someone already said this but where have we seen this before? in the SW galactic senate? yes, palpatine used tragedies to gain ultimate power and promised to give it back, but as we all know, power corrupts, what if that happens to america? bush is the emperor, cheyney's his darth vader, the cia are the royal guards, and the military is his republic army? then who will be the rebels? who will be OUR jedi? it is a question that will only be answered with time anything is possible been watching star wars too much my son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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