Political loyalties and the Prequels

[Count Dooku 2]

Autocratic rulling is the way forward: one leader, one goal, no political parties to confuse the issues.

 

I prefer the prequels rather than the original trilogy.

 

I prefer the dark side of the Force to the light side.

 

I would rather be an Imperial than a Rebel.

 

I think monarchy in a counrty is great and should never stop.

 

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is the greatest person ever to live (closely followed by George Lucas).

 

Communism is pointless. Why work for something if you don't receive the rewards?

 

Every man for himself.

 

God Save the Queen.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

 

You're a good debater FatalStrike; glad to have you on my side, for a change

 

 

heh your not so bad yourself. I can't believe I forgot about the Florida thing!

 

I am also getting fed up with this Iraq thing that just "happens" to find a resolution 2 days after election day. If I say the Pres dragged it out on purpose I am "a traitor." Bah!

 

You vote Bush you vote for this.....

 

A bad economy - you claim he knows so much about economy? Then why did he just FIRE his whole economic team? In fact the white house has been saying the economy is dandy, then why fire them.....

 

Against freedom of speach- An american citizen goes to a foriegn country and "speaks to" a terroists. He is arrested and hiden from the public, his family never sees him again, and he has a trial in a secret tribunal. All for "speaking" to the wrong person, and not actually doing anything.

 

Against Voter rights- This administration considered the "mistake" of using the "wrong list" to decide who can vote in major black populations in Florida a mistake that really didn't matter.

 

Against Free Press- The press has been warned by the whitehouse not to show videos the pentagon hasn't reviewed AND EDITED. Punishment for not doing this..you aren't invited into press breifings.

 

Also you keep a lunatic in power (Ashcroft) - I man who had the image of "Justice" covered up because you could see its breasts. A man who has been chastised in court for trying to exert too much power in state law making.

 

Oh yeah and one funny tid bit of info about Irony in the white house. What too men under the Ronlad "Roy Rogers" Reagan worked to strengthen Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussien?

 

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Give up?

 

Dick Cheney - VP

Donlad Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

 

It just so happens they are the leading forces behind a war in Iraq. Now THAT is irony.

 

That is all for now.

 

(How was that Monk )

[C'jais]

Just to clarify:

 

When I said that nonsense about me being pro democracy etc, I honestly didn't know jack sh*t about the political system - I know is was out on thin ice by saying such things aloud, but I wanted to get a response fast....

 

Thanks for enlightening me, in whatever way it was done

[CagedCrado]

Sorry to all of you whining democrats but: POLITICS HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD!! You just cant go to the supreme court an get a recount, the supreme court stopped it because Al Gore was whining like a seven year old. Daschle acts like a 2 year old, stopping the government just so Bush, a VERY good leader cant do work? I dont think thats mature. Democrats just whine 24/7. For those of you complaining about raegan, you probably didnt know jack or wasnt even alive when he was president. Politics was different then, and they gave money to stop communism. Dont talk against the republicans if you dont even know. Democrats as a party are baby killing, mammas boys who whine until they get their way and when they get their way they just do something stupid like give their money to alchohalics. Bush is not like that, the economy has very little to do with politics at all, and until you accept this you will have to accept the baby killing whiney asses that we call democrats.

 

oh and incase you dont think im right, the supreme court dosent have buddies, they are only abortion and anti abortion (judges) otherwise it could have went either way. The supreme court just wanted to get rid of that whiney fool and i would have done the same thing. Tim Johnson beat John Thune in south dakota by 528 votes, did thune (republican) whine at all ? he could have had a recount but did he? NO. Thats the difference, democrats whine, republicans do something. At one time it was different but now only stupid people are democrats. (according to guliani, who once was a democrat, same with raegan) also bush never tried to take away rights at all. GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT "Democrats" OF THIS THREAD

 

I know you wouldnt be if you knew what was going on, so get your heads out of your tail pipes and watch fox news.

[Tyrion]

Originally posted by CagedCrado

Sorry to all of you whining democrats but: POLITICS HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD!! You just cant go to the supreme court an get a recount, the supreme court stopped it because Al Gore was whining like a seven year old. Daschle acts like a 2 year old, stopping the government just so Bush, a VERY good leader cant do work? I dont think thats mature. Democrats just whine 24/7. For those of you complaining about raegan, you probably didnt know jack or wasnt even alive when he was president. Politics was different then, and they gave money to stop communism. Dont talk against the republicans if you dont even know. Democrats as a party are baby killing, mammas boys who whine until they get their way and when they get their way they just do something stupid like give their money to alchohalics. Bush is not like that, the economy has very little to do with politics at all, and until you accept this you will have to accept the baby killing whiney asses that we call democrats.

 

Very mature response!

 

[Darklighter]

I agree with Tyrion...enough of the flaming Crado, just knock it off...if you are so mature, show a little respect for other peoples views. Just because they aren't the same as yours does not mean they are wrong:mad:

[CagedCrado]

What i am saying is democrats just dont get things done. What i said was entirely true about democrats. Bush has never done any of those things, and all i have seen in the past 10 years or so is a bunch of democrats trying to mess up the country.

 

 

There views are right? I think democrats views are entirely inhumane and will only make the country fall to ruin. Especially daschles idiotic stopping of the senate.

 

Democrats are:

Pro abortion

Pro slavery (at one time)

Want to give money to alchohalics

Want to raise taxes (to help the poor people/alchohalics)

Give very small tax cuts that seem large but only help the poor meaning less overall money cut, when everybody could get a tax cut under the republicans

 

Bush never hurt the economy, that was clinton. Bush is too busy making the world safe to deal with it, and now that daschle is gone bush can actually do something to help. Im not saying these things again because you people do not show understanding of the situation.

[Tyrion]

Originally posted by CagedCrado

What i am saying is democrats just dont get things done. What i said was entirely true about democrats. Bush has never done any of those things, and all i have seen in the past 10 years or so is a bunch of democrats trying to mess up the country.

 

Meanwhile bush is instead trying to screw up the Enviroment, all for the economy.

[Darklighter]

I think what you are forgetting Crado is that neither party is without faults...each want something at the cost of something else...and it is down to where people's priorities lie.

[CagedCrado]

While the democrats are trying to save the enviroment in south dakota and other western states by not letting the underbrush be cleared, allowing the forrest to burn down. I dont think democrats choose their fights very well. (Daschle DID allow that to be taken care of but only to get johnson elected, and it didnt help him much in western south dakota where he only took about 33% of the vote)

 

Im not saying what democrats want is wrong, im saying how they get it is just dumb. (minues abortion and a few other inhumane issues where they just go the other way from republicans who are humane on these subjects.)

 

Republicans are realistic, democrats are idealogic. Atleast through my eyes.......

[CagedCrado]

Bush used Cocaine and he admits it. He was arrested for having it and was released without so much as an arrest record. What would happen to you if you got caught with drugs? Yup he got away with it and you would go to jail.

 

And you call "I used it but i did not inhale" a good answer LOL

 

Bush may have been a screw ball, but he is the most honest and caring politician in a long time. Sorry if you dont agree and things go bad for you, but hey, its life. I know there are 250,000 people in south dakota that still vote republican, even if their lives arent that great. It depends on the person. I forgive bush for any wrong doing he did, just like i dont care if clinton had affairs and was just president for the cash. (which is something i believe is just an incentive to bush)

[Darklighter]

Originally posted by CagedCrado

Republicans are realistic, democrats are idealogic. Atleast through my eyes.......

 

Well I guess I have to respect your opinion, just like everyone elses. Neither party is wrong or right, views should not be based on morals, beacuse we cannot define what is moral and what is not. Tyrion came up with an interesting point; Democrats should give money to the poor who do not have a job, because they are born into a society where they are unable to work. Would the 'humane' thing be to make these people's lives worse by making them find work, even though they do not have chance of getting a job?

 

I am not saying I am pro Democratic, I am neither, as politics does not concern me entirely. What does concern me is when people label certain actions as 'inhumane' - that is not the fact, only an opinion. Opinions are just opinions, everybody has them. And the problem is, is that people are fighting for what they want, not what is right.

[CagedCrado]

There are a lot of oportunities for the people im talking about, im talking about those dopes sitting in a bar drinking, im talking about the lazy bum who has 8 kids just to get checks each month, in very few cases is it impossible to get a job. Giving those people checks isnt inhumane, killing babies is inhumane (Abortion) and democrats want that, and i dont know about all of you but i think that is pretty disgusting.

[Tyrion]

Originally posted by CagedCrado

There are a lot of oportunities for the people im talking about, im talking about those dopes sitting in a bar drinking, im talking about the lazy bum who has 8 kids just to get checks each month, in very few cases is it impossible to get a job. Giving those people checks isnt inhumane, killing babies is inhumane (Abortion) and democrats want that, and i dont know about all of you but i think that is pretty disgusting.

 

 

So?

 

You cant do the good only and not the bad. You have to also help the bad to help the good,sadly.

 

As for the abortion thing, it's good only if it's because the birth could kill the baby or both the mother and baby.

[CagedCrado]

I wont debate with you because i am right on one thing:

 

Liberals are young people who dont get it all and are soft hearted

 

Conservatives are old people who have it together and know the liberal way is closer to communism

 

Dont make fun of raegan, if there is ever a democrat that can end a cold war, i will kill myself right now.

 

Also the budget defecit dosent mean anything, the defecit is huge when there is a good economy and is just as huge in a bad economy. The economy is fine, just in a changing time, the stock market isnt a very good measure, it measures how the people feel more so than the actual economy.

 

I agree with tyrion on the abortion thing. The biggest reason i am anti democrat is because their leaders make me sick.

[Qui-GONE Jinn]

You are brainwashed, Caged. I was just waiting for a communism-bull****-answer to come up, and *ping* there it was!

 

Now, you tell me what the hell is wrong with the ideals of communism! Of course, the system is impossible to work like it's supposed to, but the ideals are good. The thoughts are GOOD. Equality, everyone gets what they need and so on and so on. I'm not in the mood to make a long post again.

 

Only because Stalin abused their system and became a dictator, you believe that communism is the big Satan. "Those guys want to kill us, blahblah. Communists are bad people!" Only bias and prejudice. A socialistic system like we have here in Norway is way better than your American, corruption-ridden system, especially the way it is now. There is a reason you guys experience terrorist-attacks, because of your politics towards other people.

 

Liberals are young people who dont get it all and are soft hearted

Yeah, that's not a generalisation. I don't think you really know what you are talking about.

 

Conservatives are old people who have it together and know the liberal way is closer to communism

= old farmers who desperately believed that the communists wanted to kill them all and eat them for dessert, and who thinks change is more horrible than death itself?

[Darklighter]

Originally posted by CagedCrado

I wont debate with you because i am right on one thing:

 

Liberals are young people who dont get it all and are soft hearted

 

Conservatives are old people who have it together and know the liberal way is closer to communism

 

Excuse me Crado, but you are still making these vast generalisations of the people in favour of the different parties. I agree completely with Tyrion on how you have to do the good and the bad to make things better, there is no complete and straight right way in these matters. And soft hearted? You are talking about an emotion, not a belief, there is a difference, and in politics the emphasis is on belief.

[Qui-GONE Jinn]

Just thought about something...how can a countryl with only two political parties call themselves a democracy?

[Count Dooku 2]

Oh, God! Just find someone willing to be King/Queen of the United States of America and be done with it.

[C'jais]

What's so wrong with communism?

 

What went on over in Russia had nothing to do with communism, so it has never been tested that the system works.

 

What's wrong with socialism?

 

And like Qui said, I find it sad that america has only got two political parties - Denmark has bloody 12 parties! (only counting the big ones) - and Denmark is about as small as a country can get? WTF is up with that? Doesn't america believe in giving more options to their voters?

 

Crado, I think your views are just a little bit too biased.... Are you a zealous Christian too, by the way?

[Tyrion]

Well the only bad thing about Communism is that why try beyond your regular duty if you dont get anything in return?

[NerfYoda]

Hey where's the option for Libertarians, you insensitive clod!

[FatalStrike]

Republicans want to help themselves

 

Democrats want to help others

 

You decide who is right.

 

Frankly I believe that I will have to meet my maker one day and I don't want to tell him that a tax cut was more important to me then helping out the less fortunate.

[Taos]

All of this mess is why I'm an independant........I get to pick and chose. I like having that option rather than just having to stick to party lines/norms.

[Ratmjedi]

Originally posted by Cjais

What's so wrong with communism?

 

What went on over in Russia had nothing to do with communism, so it has never been tested that the system works.

 

What's wrong with socialism?

 

And like Qui said, I find it sad that america has only got two political parties - Denmark has bloody 12 parties! (only counting the big ones) - and Denmark is about as small as a country can get? WTF is up with that? Doesn't america believe in giving more options to their voters?

 

Crado, I think your views are just a little bit too biased.... Are you a zealous Christian too, by the way?

 

They are more than two parties in the U.S. Political system. There are the two maor ones that are Democrat's , Republican's , then there are Libetarian's, Independent's, and Natural Law.

The Democrat's and the Republican's are just the biggest and that is why they are known more.

 

Communsism and Socialism is also a good idea in some aspect's but there are also something's that aren't as good. It looks good when it is on paper but when applied there is always going to be someone who is going to want more than what they have. Someone is also going to have more power than another so there can never really be a equal society.