Jah Warrior Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 oh yeah i just remembered something, i dunno iff its documented elsewhere but its true none the less. Skunk or weed, NOT Hash actually helps people with asthma if taken without tobacco, sounds silly dont it? let me explain:- tobacco causes the air passages to constrict thus causing lack of breath which in an asthmatic can ultimately be fatal in rare cases. OK weed on the other hand causes the lungs to dialate which means it opens up the air ways, this si the reason that if you have good weed you cough, its not because the lungs are being damaged rather than you are using parts of the lung which would other wise remain closed. A friend of mine who is heavily asthmatic has had a noticable improvement in her condition by smoking neat weed (what a great excuse) hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 I have never, nor will i ever smoke pot... but there is no reason it should be illegal, thats just dumb. Sure there are bad alcoholics, but i have seen bad potheads too, heck, some people get really addicted to pop, it just depends on the person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 right ... caffiene is not dangerous in neway whatsoever ... and doesnt affect ur brain so much as other drugs it is safe <slurps out of pint mug of coffee> also its not addictive at all <finishes mug .... gets all jittery ... fetches another> right legalise it ... its no more harmful that alcohol BUT DONT SAY IT DOES NO HARM COS IT DOES it like ne other drug takes ur mood and enhances it ... if ur happy it makes u happier etc. if ur depressed it makes u more depressed ... and if u smoke alot of it ... i can really **** u up trust me ive seen it happen and it is addictive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Your saying Coffee and Acohol are Equal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 im not Z ... sum1 else might be right .... gateway drug cannabis cant be a gateway drug .... but only to the easily addicted this however ... is true of ne drug except the lesser drugs like caffiene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by acdcfanbill I have never, nor will i ever smoke pot... but there is no reason it should be illegal, thats just dumb. Sure there are bad alcoholics, but i have seen bad potheads too, heck, some people get really addicted to pop, it just depends on the person... Yeah, pot isn't innocent. But the thing to remember is, the sideeffects of alcohol are so much worse - not only to yourself, but alcohol will generally make you agrresive and violent towards others. Cannabis generally won't make you do anything stupid to others, it calms and uplifts you. If joints were sold just as cigarettes, there'd be no need for people to try experiementing with harder drugs. I say we give people the choice - let them choose between alcohol and hash. Maybe some people will find greater pleasure in smoking and will begin to drink less or even stop. Either way, it'll get more people off the booze since at least some dudes are spending more time smoking "harmless" weed and less time smashing people up on the streets due to booze. And it'll always be possible to quit the whole thing if it turns out to be a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Bah... I don’t think it really matters... if you think ganja is going to fix problems you have or get you away from reality, than be my guest... I just know that you will be let down. And I do *NOT* mean that in a religious way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 i agree with zdawg .... legalising pot will not solve ne problems it may however ease our prison and our police forces load the police seem to be spending alot of time chasing pot .... which could be better spent and money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg Bah... I don’t think it really matters... if you think ganja is going to fix problems you have or get you away from reality, than be my guest... I just know that you will be let down. And I do *NOT* mean that in a religious way. believe me ganja dont take you "away" form reality, it clarifies what reality is. pros:- ganja makes you laugh it makes you concentrate and focus it smells nice it makes you more empathic it makes you more careful it helps people with addiction problems it is the very best cure for insomnia cons:- its expensive it does mess with your memory abuse can make you withdraw form society not a good idea to drive when stoned slows reaction time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 more pro's than con's, that's why it is already legal here:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 I don't know. I think it's stoopid the way they're dealing with it now. And it doesn't make sense - alcohol is worse (besides the gateway thing) yet alcohol is legal! And so are cigarettes. Yeah, it's a cultural thing, but it's STUPID! I say if it should be illegal, so should cigarettes and alcohol. That won't happen, huh? Fine, legalize it. I'll never, ever, touch it. But I'll never, ever, drink or smoke either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 If its the best answer to a medical problem then ok use it. Any other case dont do it. If you read my above post it says it all right there. Do something else with your life. Why do **** when you dont have to? Wheres the logic in doing it for fun? Its not real fun. Rock climbing is real fun, or skiing, surfing, biking, backpacking. Join the army for all I care. Get a life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima kake Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by kstar__2 more pro's than con's, that's why it is already legal here:D I'ts not actual legal to grow it. But it is legal to own 5 grams. I'ts more like it is decrimminalized The rules about soft drugs here are realy weird over here. and the thing about using it and beeing adictive. I'ts all up to the person who use it. The times it smoked it realy maked me think and think and think about life. But I din't feel diconected with the world at al. the down side here in holland is that a lot of people smoke it but are drinking as well and some times it will get ugly. (i've seen people realy got messed up by that combination) And yes it does harm your body. But hey Who want's to live for ever:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 it's true what mima says, i will never use it, or smoke. the rules in the netherlands are sortof like this: there are stores where you can buy cannabis, wich is legal, but you cannot grow cannabis to sell to others, so, they can sell it if they want, but they are not alowed to grow it:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by JediNyt Rock climbing is real fun, or skiing, surfing. *Sighs* I wish I lived in a country that has mountains - the highest hill this forsaken land has is about 150 meters high Go figure.... Surfing? Sounds fun, if we had the weather for it... I do agree, to an extent - except that you need to be careful how you enforce the popular view of how a life should be lived down on others. Some people find joy in pushing their bodies to the limit by rock climbing or skiing - some people do the same with alcohol and hash. It's all about experiencing new sensations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by cjais I do agree, to an extent - except that you need to be careful how you enforce the popular view of how a life should be lived down on others. Some people find joy in pushing their bodies to the limit by rock climbing or skiing - some people do the same with alcohol and hash. It's all about experiencing new sensations. Jais man you got it one, I dont and never will accept a government or anyone for that matter determine what is and is not right for me. I mean jesus christ its a plant that grows in the wild and has been used for millenia by humans the world over, teh worst it can do is make you forget to go to work its positive effects far outweigh the negative and thats a fact. One thing i notice is that its the people that havent tried it that feel it should be illegal. hence i offer this statement. Is this because of informed views or by the cultural brainwashing that takes place by government organisations and the media? I was vehemently anti drugs until i actually tried them. OK i started out on e's and speed and have since found them to be bad, weed on the other hand i can not fault. I for one would oppose making ecstasy or speed legal yet drawing form my experience i simply can not see the justification in keeping weed illegal while things like caffeine and alcohol are legal. Another tidbit of info for you:- were you aware that hemp (marijuana) which is used for making rope, cloth etc, was campaigned against by du-pont just as they invented nylon. Therefore would it not be fair to say that one of the reasons that ganja was prohibited be for monetary gain?!?! think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 I'm posting in here a lot, becuase it's something I know about and have an opinion on ... and also because I'm avoiding the creation and abortion threads like the plague. Not gonna touch that with a 10 foot pole... Anyway, I'm not so sure about the "clarifying the world for you" part. I've seen people become stoned and stare at their hand moving for half an hour. Personally, I'd call that pretty disconnected from the world. I've also seen people become aggressive from weed. No, really it's true. I've seen people who everytime they get stoned, they want to fight people. There are also people (I'm one of them) who become extremely friendly, and even social when I drink, not violent at all. This is the exact opposite of what you guys just said that they always do to you. Just trying to give another point of view on the subject here. To me, pot is no more evil than alcohol. But I've seen a lot worse things happen to people from drugs than from booze (so far anyway). I know people, that since they started doing drugs, their grades have dropped drastically. My Chemistry teacher, one day in class, got out the grade book for the past few years. By looking at the grades, he told every one of the potheads when they started, and he was right everytime. I also know someone who has literally "smoked himself retarded". He's incredibly mentally slow now, from doing so much pot. Shame too, he was such a bright fellow... Like I said, I'm more for controlled decriminalization than I am for completely legalizing it. All the people that smoke it illegally would start buying it from the government because it would be cheaper than buying it from dealers, drug cartels in other countries would lose revenue(the only reason pot is expensive is because they can charge whatever they want), which would also cause a lot of terrorist organizations to lose a LOT of money, benefitting pretty much everyone. A lot less people would go to jail for such a petty crime, tax dollars would be saved from this(not to forget earned from selling the pot). But it should be controlled, same as alcohol and cigs, I can't stress this enough. I can't drive or go out in public drunk, I don't think you should be allowed to do it stoned either. No drug is "harmless", that's why it's called a drug. It does harm your mind and body, same as alcohol, same as cigarettes. Personally, I can't understand why cigarrettes are legal. At least alcohol and pot can make you happy in expense for a bit of harm to your body, all smoking does is make you dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 10, 2002 Author Share Posted November 10, 2002 Very true Reb. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule the "Smoking makes you calm and relaxed and Alcohol makes you violent" - but it generally is that way. About your friend and your classmates, I'm very sorry to hear that - but as I said earlier, everything taken to excess is bad. Heck, even vitamins can kill you if you overdose. I, too, believe that hash should be controlled just as alcohol, with an age cap as well. In Denmark, you can buy booze when you're 15 and buy ciggies from the moment you have the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Jah Warrior: i respect you as a person and as a poster on these forums but i think we have to agree to disagree here. your arguement that its found naturally in nature makes it fine, and that the worst it can do to you is make you late for work is a bit off. natural poisons are also found in nature and some tribes of old got a certain high by poisoning themselves to a nonlethal degree, it was still dangerous and it still resulted in fatalities. not that weed is THAT dangerous (think i read a report that said to die from straight weed you'd have to smoke 1.5 times your body weight). and as for weed "clarifying the world" i really have to disagree there, for me it made everything stranger, it was like zooming in on one thing but i couldnt change the focus. not clear at all. but HEY thats just me i could be a special case. fact is that if the potency is high enough then you will hallucinate off marijuana. ive seen this proven to me. my friend is 6'4 and skinny as a twig. he smoked a quarter in my backyard when i was having a party and was convinced that he saw gremlins and toads all over the place for the rest of the night. hes not the bull****ting type and i believe that he saw what he saw. im glad to hear that you worked your way down to weed from E and speed but i think that you probably know that you're a rare case. weed is a gateway drug and it can lead to other stuff more often then not. you seem like a responsible guy and from what ive read of YOUR reactions to smoking weed i have no problem with hearing that you go out and bust a J in the yard. its ppl that are less responsible then you that worry me. you stated that the pro's outweigh the cons and that that was a fact. im sorry but that may well be true for you and any number of other ppl but its not a blanket FACT. sometimes the negative effects of weed are far greater then the high you get. my sister flunked her final exam in calculus because she was so highstrung that she needed to calm down and chose to smoke. the next day she was burnt to **** and forgot everything. and yes weed isnt nearly as physically addictive as cofee or alcohol but as Reb said it IS mentally addictive. some ppl become social smokers and then they dont feel comfortable with other ppl unless they're high. if they're in a group situation they NEED that buzz. if everybody who smoked weed was responsible with it i would have NO objections to its legalization. but many ppl arent responsible tokers and thats why we need strong government control over it. edit: and one more con for your list that you may have forgotten: weed causes impotence. *listens to 95% of Lf shudder and laughs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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