JediNyt Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Of course he was injured. His hand got cut off and he was giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 But why would his hand being cut off make him die. He was really more injured so that was why he had began to die. His hand had been cut off other times before and this one was a cybernetic one so it's like it would of killed him. Lukes was shot and he didn't get really injured by it. It was like a scratch or a little jolt of pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I think that like the human body, the cybernetics of Vader's body were slowly wearing down and wearing out, hence his heavy breathing. An indication of a failing breathing unit. And even with his cybernetic hand, it was still attached to human flesh and human nerve, so of course it had to hurt like a.... yea. But also, It was after the Emperor said, Now.. You Die... that';s when Palpatine turned up the juice on the Force Lightning, so eventually when Vader hurled Palpatine over the edge, thats' what probably was the final blow to begin the end of Vader's existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 He was injured not dying. The lightning is what fatally hurt him. If you had your hand but off youd be breathing harder. Look at how Luke felt and breathed when his hand was cut off. Btw when Anis arm is severed in AOTC he is also knocked unconsious by Dookus Force push and the shock of the injury. So thats why he didnt show pain then. But he did after he awoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Actually, I'd think it'd be more of traumatic shock then unconscious. I mean, wouldn't freak out if you lost nearly all your arm?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Yeah, with the loss of blood....I'd probably pass out. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 well, what's weird Leemu Taos is that some lightsaber wounds cauterize the wounds, but some don't... I mean, look at Obi-wans slash to Darth Maul... completely cut in half, but no apparent loss of blood. but then look at like Dooku slashing Obi-wan's arm and leg, and when Obi-wan dismembered that criminal in ANH. There was blood there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 well, what's weird Leemu Taos is that some lightsaber wounds cauterize the wounds, but some don't... I mean, look at Obi-wans slash to Darth Maul... completely cut in half, but no apparent loss of blood. but then look at like Dooku slashing Obi-wan's arm and leg, and when Obi-wan dismembered that criminal in ANH. There was blood there. If you look closely when Obi-Wan cut's Maul in half you see a little red mist that is there after he is cut. If you also see when Vader cuts Luke's hand off there is no blood. The wound seems to be carterized too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 There is blood just not very much. The wound carterizes fast due to the extreme heat. It also depends on where your hit. When Obi cut Maul in half the blade of course went through the main artery in his torso (forgot what the vein is called). Most of the blood travels through that vein. Lots of blood, lots of pressure. So theres going to be blood when cut there. The wound then fully carterized and thats why there was no blood when he fell. When Dooku cut Obi he just nicked him. He touched the blade to his arm and poked his leg. Small wounds, fast carterizing so no blood. When he took off Anis arm well I would think thered be a little bit of blood. There is a large vein in all limbs. But again maybe too small a wound. Same with Lukes hand. But then theres the thing in ep4 where Obi severs the arm of that criminal and theres blood clearly. Again think about where he was hit. The top of the arm. There is a large artery/vein that travels through there. Ani was hit at the elbow where there is not a large artery. Is that right? Im no biologist. Afterall it is still a movie. We shouldnt dig too deap you know. It can make a person nuts. And weve all met those kind of people before havent we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Yes we have. We don't want to turn into those people know do we JediNyt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarlacc Food Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 IN THE DARTH MAUL COMIC! maul duals a nightsister: N. do you know what i am? M: a nightsister, A witchof Dathomir, skilled in the use of the darkside of the force. M: you understand so little. N: Do i? youve never faced my kind before. M: youve never faced MINE! N: we'll see. *starting dual* maul realy kick her ass... he is slising her sword in 2... (nightsister use weird swords, not lightsabers) N: a nightsister is NEVER unarmed. N: even you cant stand before force lightning. N: and the power of the dark side... M: nnng*in pain* M:..you..know..NOTHING...of the dark side!!! N: ho can you...resist... i know, i know what you must be. M: *rises and cuting her in two...(just like obi wan did to him) th end! anyway earlier, darth maul uses grip on a guy.. a mon calmari! so maul got grip but not lightning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted November 27, 2002 Author Share Posted November 27, 2002 calmari - what is he, an alien squid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 calmari - what is he, an alien squid? Admiral Ackbar is a mon calamarian... It's probably just one of those things... like Elan Sleazebaggano... where Lucas pulls something out of his arse and gives it to the people writing EU as kinda a joke. Notice nobody ever says Mon Calamari or Sleazebaggano in the movies Anyway, the thing with Ponda Baba... I'm pretty sure Lucas admitted that that was a mistake... then, I think he said something about maybe Baba's blood chemistry being different so it wouldn't cauterize or something Anyway, I wonder if that scene could be reshot minus the gore for the edition to come out with the Prequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk Anyway, I wonder if that scene could be reshot minus the gore for the edition to come out with the Prequels? I hope they do....that would make me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by Sarlacc Food IN THE DARTH MAUL COMIC! maul duals a nightsister: N. do you know what i am? M: a nightsister, A witchof Dathomir, skilled in the use of the darkside of the force. M: you understand so little. N: Do i? youve never faced my kind before. M: youve never faced MINE! N: we'll see. *starting dual* maul realy kick her ass... he is slising her sword in 2... (nightsister use weird swords, not lightsabers) N: a nightsister is NEVER unarmed. N: even you cant stand before force lightning. N: and the power of the dark side... M: nnng*in pain* M:..you..know..NOTHING...of the dark side!!! N: ho can you...resist... i know, i know what you must be. M: *rises and cuting her in two...(just like obi wan did to him) th end! anyway earlier, darth maul uses grip on a guy.. a mon calmari! so maul got grip but not lightning... Remember that this is of course EU and theres nothing that says Maul can or cant use lightning. It is a Dark power. It might be a more advanced power that requires more mastering of the Dark side like Sidious and Tyranus have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 About the Vader dying by just a little lightning thing. I don't know who said this, but at least I agree with it. In ep2, in the last saber duel, Anakin rushes towards Dooku, but then Dooku hits him hard with lightning, and after a second or so Anakin is mortally wounded. This is because Dooku wanted to damage Anakin as much as possible at as little time as possible, and therefore he hits him very hard. However, in ep6, the Emperor wants to give Luke a really slow and painful death, and therefore not using too much power on the lightning. But when Vader picks up Palpantine to kill him, Palpy naturally fears for his life, and therefore using the lightning as powerful as he can at Vader. Naturally this kills Vader, along with the arm-cutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Anakin rushes towards Dooku, but then Dooku hits him hard with lightning, and after a second or so Anakin is mortally wounded. Stunned, definitely, but certainly not mortally wounded. Mortally wounded means you're gonna die without immediate medical attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk Stunned, definitely, but certainly not mortally wounded. Mortally wounded means you're gonna die without immediate medical attention. Mind that I do not come from an english speaking country "Badly wounded" would perhaps be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 The emperor was taken by surprise and didn’t have time to react, so I don’t think he did anything but scream. I think short bursts of force lightning shock, only long exposure would kill. Vader though couldn't take any lightning as it messed up his suit and the life-supporting devices stop working. that why he knew he was dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn About the Vader dying by just a little lightning thing. I don't know who said this, but at least I agree with it. In ep2, in the last saber duel, Anakin rushes towards Dooku, but then Dooku hits him hard with lightning, and after a second or so Anakin is mortally wounded. This is because Dooku wanted to damage Anakin as much as possible at as little time as possible, and therefore he hits him very hard. However, in ep6, the Emperor wants to give Luke a really slow and painful death, and therefore not using too much power on the lightning. But when Vader picks up Palpantine to kill him, Palpy naturally fears for his life, and therefore using the lightning as powerful as he can at Vader. Naturally this kills Vader, along with the arm-cutting. You are 99% right about all that. The 1% is the mortally thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Humor me, but if lightning would have shorted the circuits in vader's circuitry, then how was Luke still able to use his arm after being literally toasted by the Emperor. In my opinion if the force lightning is really electrical lightning, then I can see where it affected vaders circuitry, but why doesn't it affect Luke? Now if Force Lightning is just concentrated energy unrelated to electricity, then the Force lightning just badly hurt Vader's life/lifeforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 That is a very good point man. No one thought of it before. That was why I wasn't buying the whole fried his circuitry theory. He was injured before and that lightining just finished him off in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 My thoughts exactly. Although it could be argued that Luke only had a mechanical hand which is too small to hurt the rest of his body. Vader lifesupport was in his mechanical suit. If thats fried then he cant live. But regardless of these theories, Sidious's lightning attack would have killed him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plo_Koon_27 Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi But why would his hand being cut off make him die. His hand had been cut off other times before and this one was a cybernetic one so it's like it would of killed him. Lukes was shot and he didn't get really injured by it. It was like a scratch or a little jolt of pain. like it was said before Vader's suit was a sealed unit like a nasa space suit, so when luke chopped off the hand the suit was no longer sealed. i like my theory on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 I think that it was the emperor's lightning that fried vader. Thinking deeply on all the events in that scene. after his hand gets cut off and we see him lying there he is breathing with much effort, practically wheezing, this COULD be from damage caused by the removal of his hand, but my guess is that he's just plain tired, he's been dueling for a long time and that last volley of Luke's was dynamite. Now if it were the removal of the hand that caused the death of Vader one would assume that he would have been in a much weakened condition, and not able to recover enough strength to get back up, this however is not the case. Vader is able to stand next to the Emperor who is currently frying Luke AND is strong enough to lift said emperor over his head. Therefore i personally think the loss of his hand hurt him less than it hurt Luke when he lost his. And had the cut to his suit been something that would cause a decompression of sorts and cause him to die you would think he'd know about it and try to get somewhere to get it fixed, instead of standing by to watch the emperor fry luke. Now while Vader has the emperor above his head, the emperor seems to lose control of his lightning, during this time i think that his terror causes him to reflexively fire his lightning as powerfully as he can, similar to when people get frightened and can lose control of bodily functions During his electrocution we also see part of vaders skeleton, implying a HUGE voltage running through him. Then as soon as he finishes dropping the emperor he slumps to the ground, wheezing uncontrolably. Now if the lightning ruined his suit, or simply overloaded his nervous system i cannot say, but i am certain that is WAS the lightning that did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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