Jah Warrior Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 Ok, A serious topic from me for a change. With all the fuss about Iraq being stripped of weapons of mass destruction, I feel that a number of points have been overlooked by people. Why exactly is it right that Iraq must have no weapons of mass destruction, when the allied forces all have Nuclear weapons and have indeed already used them in the past? Hiroshima / Nagasaki OK its obvious that using a weapon of mass destruction is an awful thing and the West seems to carry on as if they never have and never will use these weapons. In my view the allies have a self righteous approach to this whole matter. If Sadam is not allowed Nukes or gas then nor should we. When precisely did the West forget that 1000's upon 1000's forget that they devestated two entire cities during WW2 with (and i quote) "weapons of mass destruction" come on tehn, lemme know what you think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 ban all bombs i say, that way the 'powers that be' wont have the choice of deciding, hey i got a good idea, instead of just killing the people we are fighting, why don't we blow the whole f***ing country up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHobGoblin Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 You never know. We aren't going to just say hey lemme blow your head off. We have them just incase. Don't wanna be cuaght with your trousers down. Hopefully this answers the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Knight Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 dude you really need to think a little bit more does america bomb everyone with nukes they don't like NO SO STOP ACTING LIKE WE ARE EVIL saddam has already killed people and we have already been to war with him, why do you think he deserves nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction this is life, not a video game, we don't let nuclear weapons in the hands of people that go off and kill everyone and want total world domination, we have used them only in extreme circumstances when we have felt there is no other choice or way out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior Ok, A serious topic from me for a change. With all the fuss about Iraq being stripped of weapons of mass destruction, I feel that a number of points have been overlooked by people. Why exactly is it right that Iraq must have no weapons of mass destruction, when the allied forces all have Nuclear weapons and have indeed already used them in the past? Hiroshima / Nagasaki OK its obvious that using a weapon of mass destruction is an awful thing and the West seems to carry on as if they never have and never will use these weapons. In my view the allies have a self righteous approach to this whole matter. If Sadam is not allowed Nukes or gas then nor should we. When precisely did the West forget that 1000's upon 1000's forget that they devestated two entire cities during WW2 with (and i quote) "weapons of mass destruction" come on tehn, lemme know what you think... Easy, the golden rule "the one with the gold rules", except this time, it's the "one with the weapons rules". The U.S. and all it's allies (yes that includes my country and several others, I'm not singling out the U.S., they just happen to be the reinging superpower) have enough weapons to turn Iraq into the world's largest crater, therefore they can and will remove that country from the planet unless they know that it doesn't have any weapons that threaten Allied citizens. Not to mention the whole democracy over communism. Plain and simple summary, the democratic countries in question have unrivaled power and do not want a communist (communist in this case and most others, sometimes democratic countries can be the problem) country to be a threat to any of their citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHobGoblin Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 Saddam's little games gotta be stoped. Only way so far now is to stop the source SADDAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted December 22, 2002 Author Share Posted December 22, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Knight dude you really need to think a little bit more does america bomb everyone with nukes they don't like NO SO STOP ACTING LIKE WE ARE EVIL saddam has already killed people and we have already been to war with him, why do you think he deserves nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction this is life, not a video game, we don't let nuclear weapons in the hands of people that go off and kill everyone and want total world domination, we have used them only in extreme circumstances when we have felt there is no other choice or way out Hold on a minute pal! did u read my post? nah didnt think so. America has already killed 1000's of people with Nukes, arguably the most destructive of all WOMD. Surely then by your own argument America should be stripped of all WOMD's being as they have used them on another country already.... also, you say Saddam Hussein wants world domination, by this i assume you must mean just like america is doing now? see my point? There is not a nation on Earth that should have the right to have WOMD's I was never arguing that Hussein 'should' have nukes etc. I am simply putting forward the 'FACT' that america already has used the worst possible weapon of mass destruction (on more than one occasion) and as such should be stripped of all such weapons. Personally, I find that Bush is FAR more of a danger to peace than Saddam Hussein. look at the figures, bush has been in ofice little over a year and is ready to embark on his second war, and he does seem to be revelling in it. Hussein to my knowledge has invaded one country - Kuwait, and has only had conflict with his neighbouring countries, Iran. The Iran conflict is more likely the result of tensions that have been brewing (or raging as the case may be) for millenia. Thought for the day:- Nuclear Weapons, concieved by geniuses at the request of fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 also, you say Saddam Hussein wants world domination, by this i assume you must mean just like america is doing now? see my point? Don't be silly, America isn't out to rule the world. What I say is that no country should have bombs pointed at each other. Hell, we are all one race, we should act as so. Japanese, American, Chinese, Australian, German, Iraqi, whatever. We are all on this one little planet by ourselves. We breathe the same air, we eat the same food, we walk the same soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted December 22, 2002 Author Share Posted December 22, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 we are all one race, we should act as so. Japanese, American, Chinese, Australian, German, Iraqi, whatever. Never a truer word said. the sooner people stop concentrating on being:- an English MAN, an american MAN, an Iraqi MAN, the sooner we can start acting like HuMANs. to quote the great Maya Angelou:- "People are far more alike than unalike." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegietto Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 i agreed with u jah warrior why should we have weapons of mass destruction if iraq can't have them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 though i live in america i think its stupid... i mean what kinda crap is noone but america can have nuclear weapons we were the ones who showed everyone else but japan how to make them. and George Bush has to be related to a monkey some way or another cuz i think he got bugs in his brain and he talks too much just my opinion ( probably doesnt make sense either <---you isnt it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 US is the keeper of peace (NATO). thats why they are so nosey with everybody's problems. they're just trying help. stoping corruption, uniting rival countries. you don't know how many times US help other countries. wouldn't you think if the US is trying to rule the world, wouldn't it be run under dictatorship instead. and wouldn't be a communist country. i mean think about it..... if it wasn't for the US i think Hitler would of been in power. common jah don't be so naive. and about nuclear weapons i think no one should have them including the US. why can't we just get along. "WAR!!! ooh aah what is it good for absolutely nothing" (i love that song) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 I believe noone should have nukes and the like. If large weapons are ever nessesary then use Daisy Cutters (biggest non nuclear bomb in the world with a funny nickname). They dont polute or contaminate at all as far as Ive heard. Just one big boom. Dirty weapons like nukes and germs are unacceptable. A disaster waiting to happen. The world must learn to get along with itself. War over petty differences is illogical and unreasonable. I dream of one day the world will be in piece and united. The UNE, United Nations of Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 nuclear bombing would not also hurt people but animals and plants aswell, which is our basis of our existence. nuclear bombing would of set radiation exposures, contaminating our surrounding which can travel across the air that would effect people thats not even in the same region. and it also can effect the people in the future if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomicidalegg Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 the problem is that there is no universal rule. when a certain group adhere to a rule, others won't. Therefore everyone has them "just in case". The veil of suspicion and ill-feeling between countries in the world will prevent any restriction on the possessions of weapons of mass destruction or any form of weapons for that matter. To order all weapons to be destroyed would be folly as there will always be those who defy such orders. By imposing laws that only limits self will disadvantage oneself against adversity. Therefor the way around this is to eliminate animosity amongst people, so the need to use these weapons against eachother become non-existant. The only solution to the dilima of who should possess weapon of mass destructions are to eliminate the dilema. The improbable future of an United Earth must be achieved, where all countries abandon their differences for the greater good, to all be togther as one. This is too idealistic, i think, to be realiistic and conflicts with the nature of human behavior. Another option is to abandon all restrictions so all nations can possess weapons. Mutual fear of avengence attacks and the general horrific scale of war may prevent nations from actually using these weapons. I don not believe this can be a solution, however, as: 1. This assumes that every nation have significant power to be feared at, which is highly improbable.(unless theres a process of eliminating the weakest nation - something far inhumane to consider, and contradictory to the object of the process) 2. Assumes that only parties or sects are nations, untrue as seen resently with terrorist groups that war may not be just between nations but also between small groups of martyrs or such. 3. Assumes that people in control of such vast power to destruct have a certain level of intelligence and restraint, again untrue in a world where many idiots have came to power in powerful nations/empires at variouis stages of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 Ok. Here's how it should be: All countries should stop messing around and forget this whole "nationality"-crap. Let's make an organization like the UN where every country is a member. All WOMD are controlled by this organization and used *only* with the assent of this organization. No nation has it's own WOMD. And if they're trying to make some, they get nuked ...erm.... punished due to the rules of The Agreement they signed when joining the Organization. Simple, huh? Well, of course not! Countries like the USA, Irak, North Korea, France etc. would never ever join The Organization. Why? ---> Because they already have or are making WOMD. "Screw world peace 'n stuff, we got da Bomb hahahaha!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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