ZeroXcape Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Hey Everyone, We're going to be adding quite a bit of files to LucasFiles.com over the next week. With so many JKII files around, we're trying to make sure we get everyone's current favorite hosted as soon as possible. So... if you frequently download from the JKII Files Database, post your top ten favorite files in this thread! They can be old or new and of any type. Each week, we'll find the most popular results and make sure they're available. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 1 - Mandalorian Skin pack 2 - Jetpack mod 3 - Gameroen Guard 4 - Jawa 5 - Promod 3.0 6 - Royal Guard model pack 7 - Mara Jade Model 8 - Jabba Model 9 - Jango Fett model 10 - Yoda Hope that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willum_10 Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 1. Han Solo Model 2. Mara Jade Model 3. Luke Skywalker ROTJ Skin Pack 4. Mace Windu Model 5. Yareal Poof Model 6. Episode One Obi-Wan Kenobi Model 7. Qui-Gon Jinn Model 8. Mandalorian Skin Pack 9. Indiana Jones Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 I suggest you alter your hosting legal jangon, the following statement technically says that any modder needs to surrender their rights to their "derivative" work. I, for one, refuse to accept such an agreement. you acknowledge that the Fan Games are in whole or in part derivative from the Source Material, that you have no right, title or interest in and to anything contained in or derived from the Source Material, and that you irrevocably assign to LF Networks any and all right, title and interest you may be deemed to have in any materials contained in or derived from the Source Materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK|FallenOne Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 1. Darth Wicked (reborn reskin) 2. Cheshire-Arco Darth Vader Model 3. Kit Fisto Model/Skin Pack 4. Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus Model 5. FFA Duel Of the Fates 6. Clone Trooper Model Pack 7. Mandalorian Model Pack 8. Emperor Palpatine Model/Skin Pack 9. Mace Windu Model 10. Tyrion Model/Skin Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroXcape Posted December 31, 2002 Author Share Posted December 31, 2002 Originally posted by razorace I suggest you alter your hosting legal jangon, the following statement technically says that any modder needs to surrender their rights to their "derivative" work. I, for one, refuse to accept such an agreement. The legal jargon is a compromise between LucasArts and LFNetwork. The objective of that clause giving LFNetwork the content rights to your material is because LucasFiles is the only sanctioned site where users can modify characters and elements in titles by LEC. You also have to remember that LFN is run by fans who fall in the same category as you. In a nutshell, it basically states that you personally can't profit from ideas and copyrights that are LEC's (i.e. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Guybrush Threepwood.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroXcape Posted December 31, 2002 Author Share Posted December 31, 2002 1 - Mandalorian Skin pack 2 - Jetpack mod 3 - Gameroen Guard 4 - Jawa 5 - Promod 3.0 6 - Royal Guard model pack 7 - Mara Jade Model 8 - Jabba Model 9 - Jango Fett model 10 - Yoda 1. Han Solo Model 2. Mara Jade Model 3. Luke Skywalker ROTJ Skin Pack 4. Mace Windu Model 5. Yareal Poof Model 6. Episode One Obi-Wan Kenobi Model 7. Qui-Gon Jinn Model 8. Mandalorian Skin Pack 9. Indiana Jones Model 1. Darth Wicked (reborn reskin) 2. Cheshire-Arco Darth Vader Model 3. Kit Fisto Model/Skin Pack 4. Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus Model 5. FFA Duel Of the Fates 6. Clone Trooper Model Pack 7. Mandalorian Model Pack 8. Emperor Palpatine Model/Skin Pack 9. Mace Windu Model 10. Tyrion Model/Skin Pack Nice work, keep them coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Originally posted by ZeroXcape In a nutshell, it basically states that you personally can't profit from ideas and copyrights that are LEC's (i.e. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Guybrush Threepwood.) I understand that that's the intent of statement but that's not what is said. It's literially stating that LEC/Raven/Id gets a free pass for all our mod work. Fat chance! I have no intention of profiting from LEC's, Raven, or Id's work but I'll be damned if I let anyone profit off my work without getting a piece of the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Razorace, all the more reason to submit your files to http://www.massassi.net. Best JK/MotS/JO site there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 I don't really understand the purpose of LucasFiles... I know what it is for, but I don't understand why it's there. JKII.net, Massassi, JK2Files, already have thousands and thousands of files for JO. There's no way in hell LucasFiles could ever surpass all that, and if they did, it would all be pointless. As for the other games, you're better off going to the major fan sites for those games. Even after a few years I bet there won't be more than 100 files for all non-JO games combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 That's true but it's better than trying to find demos and stuff on the main LEC site. I never subbed to massassi due to the fact that I'm too lazy to redo the zip file to match their submission requirements and I don't particularly like their current file organization anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 You mean their requirements where the requires *gasp* screenshots, and *gasp* a readme file! OH NOS THOSE ARE HOORRRIIIBLE requirements! What's bad about their system? It's older than modern ones like JKII.net and it still whoops their kesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Oh, it's not THAT bad. I just suck at getting good screenshots. MotF is really hard to display in a still shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 If it's just a gameplay mod, you don't HAVE to have a screenshot of the real thing. You could do like the JK2++ and just have the screenshot be a message saying there are no screenshots because it's only a gameplay change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki-Adi-Mundi Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Preach it, Emon! I used to have a nice plug for Massassi that dissed JKII.Net pretty bad, but I've since removed it, obviously. Massassi is a really good site, you guys should use it. This place wouldn't even be here if it weren't for Massassi. That and JediKnight.Net, which is also another great site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 There was originally a topic I believe, head in that direction if you please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 1. Mara Jade model 2. Cheshire Vader model 3. Kit Fisto model 4. Qui-Gon-Jinn model 5. Obi-Wan Ep1 model 6. Mace Windu model 7. Emporer model 8. Yoda model 9. Carbon Freese V2 10. Promod 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Tahu Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 1.Promod 3.0 2.Flame Saber v1.0 3.Ancient Saber V2 4.Yoda skin 5.Mace Windu skin 6.Obi Wan Skin 7.Qui-Gon skin 8.Vulcanus Admin Mod 9.Promod Beta 2.0 10.Promod Beta 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Yeah, I have to agree with Emon - LucasFiles makes little sense to me as so many other sites do exactly the same thing with the individual games. LF will never reach the same standard for each game as the fansites do... Apologies if you prove me wrong, but it seems like a ridiculously ambitious goal to acheive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTRiTiC-iQ Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 I should point out to you that the legal agreement for LucasFiles is not different than the agreement that allows you to edit the game in the first place. Don't you guys EVER read your manuals/EULAs? I'll post the quote from the manual to make it simpler for you. (7) By distributing or permitting the distribution of any MODs, all creators or owners of any trademark, copyright, or other right, title or interest therein grant to LucasArts Entertainment Company LLC an irrevocable, perpertual, royalty-free, sublicensable right to distribute the MOD by any means (whether now known or hereafter inventer), and to create and distribute by any means (whether now known or hereafter invented) derivative works thereof, and to charge for the distribution of such MOD or such derivative work, with no obligation to account to any creators or owners of the MOD in any manner. In other words, Lucasarts can already sell your mods without paying you any royalties, you agreed to it when you first installed the game. So sorry razorace, you lose. (btw massassi file system rocks ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 That's all and good, but the courts have determined such legal "agreements" are not legally enforceable. It's like saying that I can open a box only if I agree to the legal contract inside the box. Same applies to those "click to agree" legal jargon that everyone places with their software. Legally, it all comes down to what's considered reasonable consent. Otherwise, any company in the US could post such an agreement on their products and noone would be able to make original content...ever. For example, PC makers could do that and have the right to ANYTHING ever written, type, or programmed. OR movie film makers could have the right to every film made. Etc. Etc. Is that reasonable? NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 I'm going to be putting together a FAQ for Lucasfiles in the near future to attempt to clarify some of the concerns people have. We had to work closely with Lucas Legal, Lucas Licensing, and a host of other people from the Lucas Team to bring lucasfiles together. It's just starting out and obviously it's going to take time to get traction, as for any site. The general purpose of the language is to prevent people from receiving any monetary benefits from their work... since the site is there to be a free exchange of files for the community for ALL LEC games.. not just JK II stuff. Massassi is great at what it does, but its scope is limited to JK and JKII. This is a project that covers all games and which we expect to grow nicely over the course of the years to come. The FAQ I put together will hopefully answer and address many of the concerns people have about the legal language involved. I'll try to break much of it down into plain english and also to clarify the intent of what the language is meant to accomplish. However, that being said, no one is forcing anyone to submit their files by any means. If you don't like the language, don't submit your file, that's easy enough. We're trying to provide a community service here and that's the real point of it. For the first time ever, LucasArts will be HELPING promote talented author's mods and creations for ALL games. They have exciting things planned like featuring some of the top author's works in each monthly newsletter which goes out to tens of thousands of readers, and some other promotional ideas which people will see launched in the near future. For authors that are looking for formal appreciation of their work from the company itself, Lucasfiles fills that void. Look for the FAQ to come out in the next couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Intent is different than the actual wording. The legal wording is the agreement, not the intentions. Like I said before, the wording is very specific and doesn't match the intent. LEC has no claim to our work. Yes, we understandably can't profit from our work without the copyright holders' permission, but that also applies to LEC/Raven/etc. The document could be easily fixed by slightly altering that particular section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTRiTiC-iQ Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Razorace, Lucasarts have had that particular clause in all their editable games since JK1 and probably before that. In fact, developers of most popular games act on clauses such as this. Game-of-the-Year editions for example. The clause is to allow the developers to publish an new version of the game with the best community add-ons as a bonus. I can honestly say i've never heard of modders/mappers being paid for any of their work appearing on GOTY editions of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Personally, I don't care if LEC sells my stuff. The publicity alone your work would recieve in something like a GotY edition is worth much more than some piddly royalties you would get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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