whitedragon Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 ive always been a christian through and through. jesus is my savior and God. i am a luthran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 And so begins the downward spiral of this thread. For the record, I'm not christian. Agnostic, basically for the same reasons as Cjais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SettingShadow Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I dont really know much at all about religions, but I dont belive in god nor do I care about Jesus in any way, so I guess I´m not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 This thread is not on a downward spiral. I haven't seen anyone diss anyone elses belefs yet. I am glad to see how many people aren't afread to admit to being a Christian. I was for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I think cjais can smell these threads in his sleep. Either that or he dreams about them. Griff = Former Christian: ( yes I know what Iam talking about ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 No, I'm not religious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skate Boy Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Yes, I'm a very active christian. I'm one of Jehovahs Witnesses. I go to meetings Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday. I go in my preaching work...well this month alot cause I am Pioneering, which is when you get 50 hours of service. Normally I just go out on Thursdays. I love my religon, I have lots of friends in my congregation. We do lots of thing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I'm christianed [sp?] and all, but I dont know wether to believe in the bible or not..heh! Pretty wierd -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by griff38 I think cjais can smell these threads in his sleep. Either that or he dreams about them. I promised myself I'd leave this thread alone, but we all know that'd be an impossible feat for me... I like these discussions very much - how a person views the world is everything to him/her IMHO. To all Christians: Do you believe in a literal translation of the Genesis, or do you take it for a metaphor, open to debate? Y'know, I'm fine with the idea that there's a God. I'm fine with the (somewhat dubious) idea that Jesus was an avatar of that God. I can even tolerate your beliefs of universal right and wrongs (as long you don't go kick other people in the nuts with it). But if you take the Bible for factual evidence that Humans lived alongside every other creature on this planet at one time, know that you're going up against the very laws of nature themselves. That is something I just stall at. Break, Shock, Griff: Thanks for the support, glad I'm not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais if you take the bible for factual evidence that Humans lived alongside every other creature on this planet at one time, know that you're going up against the very laws of nature themselves. That is something I just stall at. Break, Shock, Griff: Thanks for the support, glad I'm not alone. I'm with ya, I dont think that the bible can be taking for factural evidence. It is as you say yourself, its like going against nature it self..! It can be used for metaphorical stuff, but to use it as factural evidence is kinda stupid (No offence)...! However, I'm fine with th god thingy and also the Jesus thingy to some point. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Clemme w/Stick It can be used for metaphorical stuff, but to use it as factural evidence is kinda stupid (No offence)...! However, I'm fine with th god thingy and also the Jesus thingy to some point. Excellent. Clemme and Pnut Master has it going. Who else are with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Skate Boy Yes, I'm a very active christian. I'm one of Jehovahs Witnesses. I go to meetings Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday. I go in my preaching work...well this month alot cause I am Pioneering, which is when you get 50 hours of service. Normally I just go out on Thursdays. I love my religon, I have lots of friends in my congregation. We do lots of thing together. Just curious, but have you ever been set on fire or attacked by farm animals while on one of your religious treks?... I ask b/c that's what I usually try to inflict on door-to-door salvation salesmen. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skate Boy Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Break_dF Just curious, but have you ever been set on fire or attacked by farm animals while on one of your religious treks?... I ask b/c that's what I usually try to inflict on door-to-door salvation salesmen. ... Why? We are not "salvation salesmen". We don't sell anything, we do this all for free, we don't try to do anything to turn you to our religion. All you have to do is say you're not interested, and we'll leave. You don't have to be rude like most people in this world. Edit: Also, please don't be rude to me from now on just because you don't like my religion. I don't think any different of anyone here just because they are a different religion than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Heh...I was messing w/ you. I'm not going to be rude, I just don't like the idea of being force-fed religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima kake Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 i'm a nihillist. But I don't believe in anything.(except yoda) I know things or don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skate Boy Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Break_dF Heh...I was messing w/ you. I'm not going to be rude, I just don't like the idea of being force-fed religion. That's why you say " I'm not interested". Ok, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZePhyR Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Lunatic Jedi I believe in the existence of Jesus, but I don't believe he died for the purpose of redeeming humanity. I think he was simply one of the many great visionaries who was ridiculed for his beliefs. So you're Jewish then? Sorry if you're not, but this is a Jewish point-of-view. Oh, and just because you've been baptised as a Christian, it doesn't mean you are one or have to be one. It should be an honor to be baptised in the name of Christ. In it's simplest form, it's just a way of "washing away" sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais But if you take the Bible for factual evidence that Humans lived alongside every other creature on this planet at one time, know that you're going up against the very laws of nature themselves. That is something I just stall at. Break, Shock, Griff: Thanks for the support, glad I'm not alone. We Christians just have faith. We beleve if God made everything he has a reason for everything. and someone said something about dinosaurs, the bible has 2 or three verses about dinosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Yep, Roman Catholic actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorganfloss Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Im not a christian. Im not anything for that matter... I guess Im one of those people who dont believe in anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon and someone said something about dinosaurs, the bible has 2 or three verses about dinosaurs. Someone also said something about the constant decay of isotopes, the speed of light etc. If you'll just hand me that piece of cupboard, I'll cut it out for you: 2+2=4, right? No matter which way you test it, it has always equaled 4 so far. Suppose God changed the universe so that 2+2=5. Now, for us heretics, it'd still equal 4, and for all intents and purposes, it'd be the right way in our eyes. And we'd still come out with the right answer, because our model was still based on the way it had always been. Now, you believe God has already changed the very laws of calculations. But for the rest of us, it seems as if nothing has changed. Every experiement conducted so far hasn't gone completely haywire so far because the fundamental 2+2=4 is changed. They would if it was. You see, this is a huge paradox - so huge in fact, that it'd mean we're living in seperate dimensions, each with their own laws of physics. I used a very easy example with 2+2=4, but no matter how huge calculations you do, it still applies. Everything you see, touch, feel and sense can be tested using the example above. So far, nothing has been severely screwed because a higher power decided to deceive us. Deceive, because everything points towards the Genesis being a metaphor at best - I suppose God needs to plant evidence for the opposite, and subsequently deceive his minions for his masterplan to unfold. But I guess that's why he works in so mysterious ways. For he is surely testing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon This thread is not on a downward spiral. I haven't seen anyone diss anyone elses belefs yet. I am glad to see how many people aren't afread to admit to being a Christian. I was for a long time. Erm, why do you think people should and usually are afraid to admit they're Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon We Christians just have faith. Before I ask let me apologize 1rst I mean no offense, I really need to understand this. You obviously are an intelligent person, why is faith used in 1 of the most important decisions you could ever make in your life? Faith can never be relied upon in day to day minutia. People who use faith in there day to day life (you would never use it to balance your check book ) are never sucessful. How can something as important as your potential mortality be believed without logical proof or material evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by griff38 Before I ask let me apologize 1rst I mean no offense, I really need to understand this. You obviously are an intelligent person, why is faith used in 1 of the most important decisions you could ever make in your life? Faith can never be relied upon in day to day minutia. People who use faith in there day to day life (you would never use it to balance your check book ) are never sucessful. How can something as important as your potential mortality be believed without logical proof or material evidence? You sir, are wrong. Faith is what gets you up in the morning. Without it, you are nothing. This fabricated feeling of "faith" is the single most influencial human emotion existant. Faith is not just a word associated with religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Break_dF You sir, are wrong. Faith is what gets you up in the morning. Without it, you are nothing. This fabricated feeling of "faith" is the single most influencial human emotion existant. Exactly. Now if I said the rest the topic would be closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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