Xylan Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I believe the person should try and raise the child, but it wouldn't be right. Maybe it shouldn't be illegal, just limited. Say you'd need a fair reason to have an abortion. If for some reason you really couldn't raise the child or didn't have any relatives that would help, then I think an abortion would be okay, it's really not anyone else's decision. Btw, I think that adults should be more aware of those things in the future.....heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Originally posted by Xylan If for some reason you really couldn't raise the child or didn't have any relatives that would help, then I think an abortion would be okay What's wrong with adoption in that case? Originally posted by razorace I really doubt it. I was a wanted child. My parents tried to have childs for years. He said to imagine they were in a similar situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Originally posted by matt-windu What's wrong with adoption in that case? A pregnancy is not something to be taken lightly. It's not just something you can compare to buying the groceries or taking a pill. And I doubt many teen girls are ready and want to give birth until they're a little more mature. Yeah, they could have taken better care of themselves, I know... He said to imagine they were in a similar situation. What's so wrong with not existing? Are you afraid of the time before your birth? After your death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well, Cjsais, imagine not existing.. imagine a world without you. Imagine everything you have ever done... Imagine it never happening. The one thing that means the most to you never happening. Never getting the chance to do anything. Put yourself outside of yourself and tell me how the world looks. How the world around you looks. In fact, let everyone do that. Never meeting that special someone. Never getting that great job. Never getting to see your dream come true happen. Scary thought huh. Now tell me if anyone is scared of never exisiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Originally posted by matt-windu He said to imagine they were in a similar situation. Well, if they had been in that situation, I'm sure they'd have done what was the right thing to do based on what my quality of life would have been. This arguement doesn't work for me, I was so close to nonexistance anyway. My mom was having trouble conceiving and they were about to do some tests that would have killed me. Fortunately for me, my mom decided not to get the testing done. Plus, I'm a "miricle" baby. My mom was told that she couldn't have children. The egg that formed me literially had to swim from the ovam on the wrong side of her body, to her other feloveum tube, and then down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylan Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well, Cjsais, imagine not existing.. imagine a world without you. Imagine everything you have ever done... Imagine it never happening. The one thing that means the most to you never happening. Never getting the chance to do anything. Put yourself outside of yourself and tell me how the world looks. How the world around you looks. In fact, let everyone do that. Never meeting that special someone. Never getting that great job. Never getting to see your dream come true happen. Scary thought huh. Now tell me if anyone is scared of never exisiting. Well, that in general that is a scary thought, but you really wouldn't have anything to worry about since you wouldn't exist. But now, and looking at what would and wouldn't have happend without you, that's sort of creepy. A pregnancy is not something to be taken lightly. It's not just something you can compare to buying the groceries or taking a pill. And I doubt many teen girls are ready and want to give birth until they're a little more mature. Yeah, they could have taken better care of themselves, I know... That is sort of what I ment, but I'm not for abortions. I'm just saying have them limited. Adoptions are more than okay, that is what I would want to do in the situation, but there are 100s of reasons people wouldn't want to have the child. And this has happened before, alot of relationships end because the woman is going to have a child, and the man leaves. So there are many reasons. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais A pregnancy is not something to be taken lightly. It's not just something you can compare to buying the groceries or taking a pill. And I doubt many teen girls are ready and want to give birth until they're a little more mature. Yeah, they could have taken better care of themselves, I know... If a pregnancy is not to be taken lightly (which it isn't) then NEITHER is the sex that those teens had in the first place. Teens nowadays play around with sex like it IS buying groceries. Ok now if some of you are for abortion think about this... if these teens or people didn't want to have a child... why didn't they use protection? A condom has a 98% chance of working... and with so many abortions we can automatically assume that they didn't use protection. Another alternative to an abortion is to not have a child in the first place by using protection. Let me throw another twist your way. What if abortions are not meant to actually happen? People who want to have children... don't use protection. People who don't and are just "screwing" around should use protection. But if pregnancy is not to be taken lightly then neither is abortion. But people do it without a second thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I agree that people aren't careful enough with sex, but that's a slightly different issue. I really doubt most people just have abortions "without a second thought". The ones that do probably don't care about anything anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I see this have come back up. To tell you the truth most people just want to have adult action without adult re-action. As in other words "They want to have no consequences for any action they take." Also alot of "oops" I really doubt most people just have abortions "without a second thought". I can think of some people that only have second thoughts after they killed the baby. until they're a little more mature If that ever happens. I know of a girl who used to live next door at my previous house. I could go on for days telling what she did, but all that I can say is that almost 4-7 years later see is still just as immature as she was before.(If you want I can go into talking about what she did.) I agree that people aren't careful enough with sex, but that's a slightly different issue. How is it a different issue? Because they are not careful they end up with a baby. And *bang* it ends up with this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by razorace My mom was having trouble conceiving and they were about to do some tests that would have killed me. Fortunately for me, my mom decided not to get the testing done. Wait, when these test were going to be done were you still a fetus? Are you for abortion? Do you agree with Cjais that a fetus is just a "blueprint" that cannot be killed? If you said yes to all these then why do you now say that you could have been killed with the tests. If you were a fetus, then in your point of view, weren't you just a blueprint and not an individual human being. See by saying that you could have been killed, you just admitted that you thought that you were special. Why is it not so with every other fetus that was killed during an abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 The test were suppose to take place before my mom know she was pregnent. I was probably just a bunch of cells at that point. My personal opinion on abortion is that it should be legal and availible. Quality of life is a serious consern for me. We can't even care for all the people we have now! How is it a different issue? Because they are not careful they end up with a baby. And *bang* it ends up with this issue. Pregnency happens even when you take every possible precuasion (except for no sex at all). Life finds a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Well, Cjsais, imagine not existing.. imagine a world without you. Imagine everything you have ever done... Imagine it never happening. The one thing that means the most to you never happening. Never getting the chance to do anything. Put yourself outside of yourself and tell me how the world looks. How the world around you looks. In fact, let everyone do that. Never meeting that special someone. Never getting that great job. Never getting to see your dream come true happen. Scary thought huh. Now tell me if anyone is scared of never exisiting. 2 things... A) We ARE here.... so there's no point in imagining it. We only care about ourselves. We don'tgive a second thought to all the babies that HAVENT happen. We take the world as it is, not as how it could have been. and B) We'd never know that we were supposed to exist. We wouldn't realise we'd be sitting round years later tlaking about this, as the people we are. It's irrelevant. The world would go on without us if we didn't exist. Besides, our parents probably would have had another child... when they were ready. That child may very well have had a better life than us, as the parents would have been more ready for the child. I like existing, I like my life, but if I hadn't have existed, no biggie. I wouldn't be able to whinge about it. I just wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I do not believe that ending the progress of a couple of cells that have divided is murdering a human being. The law of each pro-abortion country has put a limit after which you are not allowed to do an abortion. This makes sense. If the kid is "alive 'n kickin' abortion means murder. I'm not too keen about the Bible-argument as some might have noticed. If you start talking about "God giving life and men not having the right to take it away" or some omnious, everlasting "spirit" or "soul", the debate becomes meaningless. We have to think practically. The doctors know when pain can be felt. They know when a bunch of cells becomes a thinking person. Well...to some extent anyways. I don't accept abortion as means of birth control, though. A lot of teens think that's "no biggie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar I don't accept abortion as means of birth control, though. A lot of teens think that's "no biggie". same here i think it should be allowed though for in those like accident cases such as the condom broke. rape. or the pill didnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by razorace The test were suppose to take place before my mom know she was pregnent. I was probably just a bunch of cells at that point. But do you agree with Cjais that a fetus is a blueprint... I don't but if you do then why did you refer to yourself as being killed? See when you think about yourself, you don't think about a blueprint, you think about yourself being killed as a fetus which is exactly waht it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I don't accept abortion as means of birth control, though. A lot of teens think that's "no biggie". Who?! It's not exactely comfortable, and it is expensive. But do you agree with Cjais that a fetus is a blueprint... I don't but if you do then why did you refer to yourself as being killed? See when you think about yourself, you don't think about a blueprint, you think about yourself being killed as a fetus which is exactly waht it is. Only as much as I consider my pinky as "me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Ok razor lemme ask you this Do you believe that if those tests were run that they would have killed you or just wiped out a blueprint ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 they wipedout my blueprint. ah now i cant be a smurf. jk yeah its just a blueprint nothing more nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by razorace Who?! It's not exactely comfortable, and it is expensive. Well in Finland it costs nothing, I believe (that's why we have insane taxes) I've lived in a city here which has the highest rate of teen-pregnancies and abortions in the country, and let me tell you... a lot of girls just like to fool around. By saying I don't accept abortion as birth control I refer to situations where f.ex: Girl gets drunk and screws around. She wakes up the next morning thinking "Whoa, what wild night, I guess we didn't use any protection.. oh well, I'll just wait a month or two and get an abortion later if I got impregnated." If you even suspect that you might have had "unsafe" sex (condom broke or slipped off / forgot to take the pill that night or whatever) you go and get The Pill that terminates the possible pregnancy from the nearest health center first thing in the morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar Girl gets drunk and screws around. She wakes up the next morning thinking "Whoa, what wild night, I guess we didn't use any protection.. oh well, I'll just wait a month or two and get an abortion later if I got impregnated." i hate people like that thats what is getting abortion hated more and more. they are messing it up. like if somedude put some stuff in a girls coke and she passed out and he raped her they find out they might be pregnant. i think they are entitled to an abortion. since its not their fault the guy was an ******* who couldnt get laid the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I think you guys are assuming too much and exagerating too much. I don't believe that a lot of girls just go and get an abortion as a form of b.c. If you think that's what they do then go find statitistics on that information. But I'm going to take the benefit of the doubt and say that assuming women just get drunk and for the hell of it just figure that they'll have an abortion is insane. Please... you guys seem to be placing too much of this on the woman as if we are some whore's who go around all "unprotected" and figure if we get knocked up we will just get an abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 im not sayin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast But do you agree with Cjais that a fetus is a blueprint... I don't but if you do then why did you refer to yourself as being killed? See when you think about yourself, you don't think about a blueprint, you think about yourself being killed as a fetus which is exactly waht it is. You don't get my point. What are the earliest memories you have? From when you were 2 years old? 1 year? Whatever it is, I doubt you had memories of you being in your mother's womb. You can compare yourself to a virus in the womb. You have no self identity. You are not self-conscious. You are not there yet. If "I" were "killed" during the pregnancy, I would never exist. It makes no sense at all to talk about pity and empathy for a life that would never exist. Do you have pity for the life that isn't born right now because a would-be mother decided to take the car instead of the train and thus didn't meet her future husband? It's nonsense to talk about what could happen, instead of concentrating on what is. Save the babies who can't get food because Sudan is overpopulated. Save them, instead of worrying about the people who could have been born if it weren't for sexual prevention. We need abortion to save born lives. Life as a concept has only any meaning for those alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 i agree - i think its pretty silly to ask you how you would feel if you weren't born. You wouldn't even know it. I mean if you want to be that wierd...maybe you weren't you yet. Maybe the next time your mom got pregnant after the abortion - that was you. You don't know. Seems silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by STTCT I think you guys are assuming too much and exagerating too much. I don't believe that a lot of girls just go and get an abortion as a form of b.c. If you think that's what they do then go find statitistics on that information. But I'm going to take the benefit of the doubt and say that assuming women just get drunk and for the hell of it just figure that they'll have an abortion is insane. Please... you guys seem to be placing too much of this on the woman as if we are some whore's who go around all "unprotected" and figure if we get knocked up we will just get an abortion. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying *all* women or *most* women do it. I'm just saying that some do, and I don't accept that. (Just like I don't accept that boys mess around without using condoms) In this particular city the teen pregnancy and abortion-rates were (and still are) waaaaaay higher than anywhere else. I don't know exactly what has caused this, but it is a fact nevertheless. There are a lot of teens who are too busy partying to care about things like STD's or getting pregnant. That is a fact and it makes me feel like they're taking the "easy way out", not facing the consequences of their screw-ups. (I know abortion is not a easy thing for most women, but it seems that the ones I'm talking about couldn't care less.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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