El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 should these books be sold? A few weeks ago after talking with my world history teacher, who is also a criminology teacher. I went to Barnes & Nobles and found the journals of the Marquis De Sade(a very well known and unfortunately famous serial killer and rapist from the age of the French Revolution.) now I'll give you the description of these books and let you make your choice on your answer for my question. ok ive been discussing this topic at school alot lately. The Journals of the Marquis De Sade tell horrible facts and details on how to derive sexual pleasure from harming others and harming oneself. from The Journals of the Marquis De Sade "What does one want when one is engaged in the sexual act? That everything around you give you its utter attention, think only of you, care only for you...every man wants to be a tyrant when he fornicates." it tells details on bondage style rape on women, men, and even children. they have pictures and tell you what you can do to derive sexual pleasure from cutting people open. the books also tell how you can get sexual reactions from a corpse such as a post mortum ejaculation. it details painful acts of killing people slowly and how to get sexual pleasure from it. serial killers, rapists and pedophiles are known to read and perfectly memorize every single word in these books and use these books to perfect their method. now that you know what these books are do you think they should be sold in public stores? if at all. you can find out more info here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 uhh...thats disturbing.... honestly, what is this world coming to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 i don't even want to know how you know this crap..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 im taking a criminology class. and we have to learn about this stuff. its really sick. but in order to do anything in criminal justice you gotta take this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 ah, ok. all's well then. [in other words you're not some sick psycho ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I think it's pretty gross. But there are worse things out there. Given that the internet can be used to find most of the most disguting things in the world, I dont think it should be pulled. People should express their opinions that it shouldnt be there, but I dont think there shoudl be any government action restricting their being published. Rapists, child molestors, and serial killers are going to rape, molest, and kill, regardless of how "refined" they are about it and how many techniques they use to get their jollies off. Whenever I see people campaigning to get books removed, I always think of the Nazis and the book-burnings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 the same question can be asked about the journal of Hitler. Theres nothing wrong with reading it. Its for learning. History repeats itself, unless we are learned of the past. Thus, such books are publicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Yes, they should. You cannot limit the freedom of speech and hope to remain with a free, democratic society in the end. Ask yourself: How did you know that man did those things? By reading his books. If those books had been outlawed, not many persons would have been aware of his sadomasochistic pleasures. For better or worse. You must never restrict information like this. And at the very least Sade was passionate. The true monsters are the likes of P. Bateman who are so indifferent and cold in their murders that they're obliterating any hierachy of human values. Now that's disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 The problem is, people may (some will, probably) take after his book and do what is described in it. Can we risk such a thing to happen? IMO, no. Allowing books that describes bondage rape, slow killing etc. will affect certain people into beliving that's it's not really such a bad thing to do after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Theres always gonna be someone, somewhere, whos got something to say about anything*this includes nice things like Barney and not so nice things like music*. The problem with them is there so self-righteous and think everyones out to get them that it nulls the effect of any kind of reasonable thing. Marilyn Manson, Eminem, and countless others come under fire because someone was listening to their CD at the wrong time, thus Columbine was placed on Manson's shoulders. Huckleberry Finn is STILL outlawed in a few states*cant say for sure which ones*. My point is, if it offends anyone, then they'll always think its wrong. They wont see it for what it is. The Journals of De Sade*as I said before* are mearly teaching us the past, so it dosent get repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 i agree they shouldnt be banned from being sold but my main thing is that basically they are right up front for everyone to see. mainly small children. on the cover of 2 of the books is mutilated bodies of children and a man standing over them doing explicit acts. i believe that free speech is good and that they can continue to publish these books but at least put them in a section for adults only. i guess until you see it you dont really care but once you see it you'll realize why i think it should be put into an adult only section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 The cover should be changed, especially if its upfront of the store. But if its a new release and just on display, then its mommy and daddy's responsibility to keep lil' kiddy away from it, not the shopkeeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 As the old saying goes, "Those who choose to ignore history, usually repeat it." I have never heard of these books so I can't comment but they should be available to special classes such as crime courses or stuff like that. In fact, they are selling paintings that a serial killer made in the 70's when he was on his killing spree. The paintings depict his "alternate ego" as a sadistic clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast In fact, they are selling paintings that a serial killer made in the 70's when he was on his killing spree. The paintings depict his "alternate ego" as a sadistic clown. those paintings are the ones done by john wayne gacey. but those painting are not basically explicit its just creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Originally posted by InsaneSith those paintings are the ones done by john wayne gacey. but those painting are not basically explicit its just creepy. Well yes but it could be offensive to family members of whom he killed. Is this man who wrote the books depicted in Madam Tusseaus (sp?) art museum in London? I went there and they had wax figures of famous mass killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 yes he is. also i just think they shouldnt put them out in the front.i mean dont get me wrong i'm about as liberal as they come but if you see the covers its just more disgusting than inappropriate. the Marquis De Sade IS the most horrific, bloody killer there is, was, and will ever be. hes a god or christ to serial killers. there is a doctor in my criminology class and she has done many surgeries and even worked in the morque but while reading the books and seeing the pictures in them she got very sick and even had to leave to throw up. and this lady has seen the nastiest murder victims of our time and these books made her throw up!... that tells ya something about them. go here and look up some stuff on serial killlers im telling you none of these guys had anything on De Sade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Yes I agree. These books should only be seen UPON REQUEST. Otherwise people who are to young or dont want to see them, will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I donot believe they should be kept out of publication, because that violates our freedom of speach, expression, etc. But I do think that they should be kept out of obvious view, either in an adult section or behind the counter, available on request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 this is a picture from one of the journals. it is a image depicting the beating of the stomach to derive sexual pleasure (for the one beating the other) from one of the Marquis personal journals With Pelagie’s(the marquis wife) consent and assistance, Sade had six teenage girls hired to work at La Coste, ostensibly as domestic servants( meaning as prostitutes). from the marquis personal journals his wife, two other young adult women domestics, and his valet, Sade assembled his captives daily for a mélange of activities: masturbation, fellatio(oral sex), sodomy{anal sex} (both hetero and homosexual), sodomy chains, and, of course, scourging(deriving sexual pleasure from acts of violence) from Philosophy in the Boudoir “How delicious to corrupt, to stifle all semblances of virtue and religion in that young heart!” these are examples of what is written in these books. to see more on the Marquis go here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Thats disgusting and disturbing. Very. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 They books should stay where they are. I admit it's horrible, but there is a lot of crap worse than that out there, and it would not be fair to the publisher if the book was hidden in some corner of the store where it won't sell at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 actually it doesnt sell very well at all except when criminology classes go to buy it to pass around class. and when some sickos go and buy it to actually use the techniques. oh give me examples of worse things cuz i doubt until you read it and see it you can make that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by InsaneSith oh give me examples of worse things cuz i doubt until you read it and see it you can make that statement. Mien Kampf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 10, 2003 Author Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by ckcsaber Mien Kampf ah havent read that in a while. might need to go back over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmolatedYoda Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by ckcsaber Mien Kampf well, actually, its Mein Kampf (my struggle) but i know thats not the point. from what ive heard, Mein Kampf isnt actually that bad, its just some of Hitlers philosophy, but then again, i havent read it yet, so dont quote me. i believe that yes, freedom of speech applies to these works too. on the note of Mein Kampf and things like the Communist Manifesto, this isnt World War I or II or the Cold War, so there is no need for censorship of these works (not like there would be, these days), theyre for educational purposes. and im sure just as many, if not more people that read the Marquis works would be grossly turned off by it than actually take ideas from it. the times have changed, and i think only the sickest minds would actually try to emulate the Marquis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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