Jedi Apprentice Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 What do you all think about Obi-Wan's Jedi status. Do you think he was still a Knight during the ep. 4 time or was an official master or maybe just unofficially? My thinking is by the time ep. 4 comes along that he is a master just because he is one of the only Jedi's to survive the Jedi purge that we know of and he is very wise (you can't argue that). So what do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 yeah, i agree with you Jedi Apprentice. he's probably a master by Ep.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 No I dont think he is a Jedi Master because to become a Jedi Master, one has to successivly train his or her Padawan until they pass the Jedi trials to become a Jedi Knight. Only until then can they be deemed a Jedi Master. I highly doubt Anakin would have passed the Jedi trials since he is so rebellious to the Jedi Order, and also of his secret marriage with Padme. I'm pretty sure during the trials, the Jedi who test Anakin find out everything that he has been up to. So I don't think Obi-Wan is a Jedi Master but he must have been a Jedi of high esteem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Doesn't Yoda say something like : "you fater, powerful jedi was he, humm!" to luke in ep5. He didn't say promising jedi, or powerful padawan ou pupil or whatever. So he must have become a jedi knight before he turned to the dark side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 People's views on how jedi attain the "rank" of Jedi Master is skewed. They must understand the force completly, and give themselves up to it. This is why I think Qui Gon was not a "master", because he did not give himself comletely to the force, therfore he did not "fade" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted April 2, 2003 Author Share Posted April 2, 2003 Good thinking CoupeS and ckc. I definitely agree with your thoughts. And your thoughts kind of lean towards him being a master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 actually... Read this And... this link says Qui Gon WAS a Master... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted April 3, 2003 Author Share Posted April 3, 2003 Nuts, well that ends this discussion. I was hoping he ended up a master because I think he truly deserves it. Thanks for the info pbguy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 i thought qui-gon was only a jedi knight aswell. unless he was only given the title after his death, when obi-wan was made a knight. but often people confuse honorary titles with actual status like a jedi can be called 'master jedi' even if they're not a master. anakin calls obi-wan 'master' they refer to it as master & apprentice eventhough the 'master' is still only a jedi knight sometimes they use 'jedi knight' as a collective noun... like when obi-wan tells luke his father was a jedi knight, eventhough anakin turned to the dark-side before completing his training. also like the beginning of Ep I says '....secretly depatches two jedi knights' refering to qui-gon and obi-wan, who we know was only a padawan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 To be called Master, I think, you must have an internal understanding of the Force, like Yoda. They must let it guide them completly. Qui Gon was too headstrong to really give himself up to the force completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I don't think that Obi Wan was one because of the fact that he failed in training his apprentice. The time of ep 4 I don't think he would be one because of the fact that there was no jedi council or temple...so it really didn't matter. He was a jedi knight, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Well this may sound sorta :stupid: and :nerdish: but becoming a Jedi Master is a mental thing, IMO. It's deeper than someone handing you a medal. It doesn't matter if there was no council or he failed his training, because in Ep 4, Obi Wan understood the force, meaning he let himself go completly. He let it guide him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-99 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 qui-gon jin was a jedi master but he can never join the jedi council because he broke too many codes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu7 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 yes i believe he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorus Ardel Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 Well, I suppose you all have not studied your Star Wars. As I recal, Obi Wan was struck down by Darth Vader in Episode 4. When he was struck down, he then became one with the Force, and to become One with the Force you must be a Jedi Master. So, yes, Obi Wan was a Jedi Master and a very powerful one at that. Aside from him, Yoda was the only other living Jedi Master. As a side note, you do not become a Jedi Master when you sucessfully train a Padawan learner. A Jedi only attains the rank of Master when he has trained a Padawan, and respected and followed the Jedi Code. A Jedi may not become a Master for some time. And Qui-Gon Jin was not a Jedi Master... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by Jorus Ardel Well, I suppose you all have not studied your Star Wars. As I recal, Obi Wan was struck down by Darth Vader in Episode 4. When he was struck down, he then became one with the Force, and to become One with the Force you must be a Jedi Master. So, yes, Obi Wan was a Jedi Master and a very powerful one at that. Aside from him, Yoda was the only other living Jedi Master. As a side note, you do not become a Jedi Master when you sucessfully train a Padawan learner. A Jedi only attains the rank of Master when he has trained a Padawan, and respected and followed the Jedi Code. A Jedi may not become a Master for some time. And Qui-Gon Jin was not a Jedi Master... Hmm... I agree with you regarding Obi Wan being a Jedi Master, but I really don't think becoming a Jedi Master is as easy as "training a padawan, and respecting the code." No one will hand you a medal and say, "congrats, you're now a Jedi Master". It has to be a deep understanding between the Jedi and the Force. There is no real guideline to attaining this understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 How do you know that Obi-wan didn't take the Jedi trials after TPM? If that happened, then he would've passed and earned the rights to train Anakin, thus granting him a Jedi Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 i read that qui-gon had 3 apprentices- 1 who became a jedi knight, making qui a master, one who went dark or somethng like that, and then obi-wan. as far as obi being a master, i thing he is technically a knight. UNLESS ANAKIN TURNS AFTER BECOMING A JEdi, i think obi will stay a knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 and we don't know for sure if anakin is a knight or not when he falls to the dark side. ep.III should clear that up. plus isn't the ability to "fade away" into the force a learned trait that yoda will teach obi wan after ep II? i thought GL said that was why vader and qui gon never dissappeared. i could be wrong, but i remember him or was it rick macallum (sp), that said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted April 5, 2003 Author Share Posted April 5, 2003 The only other apprentice of Qui-Gon's that I know of is Xanatos. You can read about him in the Jedi Apprentice book series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted April 6, 2003 Share Posted April 6, 2003 To concider Obi-Wan a Master isn't all that wrong to do. Although technically, he never achieved Master status, according to those who answer questions over at wwwStarWars.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 6, 2003 Share Posted April 6, 2003 has GL said anything on this? BTW, Jedi Apprentice, your new sig pic is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted April 6, 2003 Share Posted April 6, 2003 Well, those people are pretty much as close to GL as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted April 6, 2003 Share Posted April 6, 2003 While as far as I know Obi-Wan never technically became a Jedi Master, I believe he would have become one if the whole Jedi Order hadn't been exterminated by the Empire... He just never got the chance really. As for the Kaminoan's calling Obi-wan "Master Jedi", it's a sign of respect, not the actual "rank" if you will. Yoda calls Obi "Master Kenobi" because they are in front of the younglings, and as such, is trying to teach them respect for the older Knights. It as probably a practice for the Younglings to call everyone Knight and above "Master jedi" or "Master insertnamehere", sort of like how in the Armed Forces you are to refer to all ranks higher to you as "Sir". Just my two credits worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 6, 2003 Share Posted April 6, 2003 well since yoda was the leading member of the council when it was destroyed, then technically he could have given obi wan the title of master if he thought obi deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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