Silent_Thunder Posted May 4, 2003 Author Share Posted May 4, 2003 Yeah, I don't really plan on getting into any fights either ... But it's nice to know self defense when you get into a situation where you have to use it or soemone's life may be in serious danger. I also like doing it for the exersise, I wasn't very inshape before I started... but now, just look at me ( hehe )! And ofcourse I do it for the entertianment aspect too... I think Kung Fu San Soo is really fun, but alot of that can be attributed to my teacher and studio. It's really layed back, without the really strict formal teaching aspects of other schools. No bowing to weapons or to the floor (but you do bow to your opponent as a sign of respect). You also get to use 15 of the traditional Chinese weapons. It also is very creative, and doesn't get boring very fast, especially when you start creating your own moves from the preset moves you're taught. There aren't many forms you have to memorise, and you don't have to do blocking drills for 2 hours straight... you get right into the fighting aspect of it immediatly. Where do you learn Jeet Kune Do from, and how long have you been doing it? From what I know about it it seems similiar to Wing chun, which I plan on beginning soon. I'll look into it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 well i looked around my area for a school thatll teach me it but couldnt find one so i bought Bruce Lees Jeet Kune Do book and am learning from it, ive been doing it for 2 months now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I used to take taekwondo, but quit after a while. I'd rather much tire a person out with defensive blocking rather than attack head on, then I start using pressure points, which come in handy in most situations, or just physically restrain the guy until he stops trying to break free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Thunder Posted May 4, 2003 Author Share Posted May 4, 2003 Just curious, but do you learn the 1 inch punch in Jute Keen Do? That's one of my favorite things about Wing Chun (besides nearly inpenetrable defense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 well, sorry TS, im only on footwork now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iodius Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 "Jeet Kune Do... isn't that an off spring of Wing Chun? (I may be mistaken). Can you briefly explain what the art is focused around, and how you fight?" Jeet Kune Do is Bruce Lee's altered style of Wing Chun Kung Fu. It is specialised to his abilities however and may not be everyones cup of tea. I have been training in Ving Tsun Gung Fu (that is, the Wong Shun Leung Wing Chun style. Leung was Bruce Lee's SiFu) for about 6 years now. I used to do Tae Kwon Do and I also did some Shokotan Karate for a year, but I found they were very uneffective in street fighting conditions (too many head high kicks in Tae Kwon Do are totally unnecessary and ineffective). Tae Kwon Do has a weak stance with illogical weight distribution and their moves are telegraphed too much (I can see a Tae Kwon Do kick coming from a mile away). There punches and punch defense is weak, as is Shokotans, and their punches are not refined enough. The wrist twist mid punch makes little sense when one can do a vertical fist strike and achieve quicker, more accurate and more powerful results. The one inch punch is derived from Wing Chun, by the way. The best thing about Ving Tsun? The cycle punch. The whole system almost revolves around getting in a constant volley of these sweet, sweet punches. Can you say a flurry of fast, powerful vertical fist strikes to the face and chest of an opponent? You want street fighting techniques that will win you a fight? Learn Wing Chun or a derivative martial art. Want fancy moves and lots of pretty belts that don't really work in a real fight situation? Take up Tae Kwon Do or White Crane Shaolin Style Gung Fu or any other animal style from the Shaolin Temple. Although they are effective styles, they are held back by their stylistic and unnecessary movement mindset: White Crane fights on one leg: limits balance and speed: Dragon fights too low to the ground and movement is hindered and sweeps are easy to administer: Mantis is too open and their centreline is exposed too much. They would be more effective if they took away those dance like traits that hamper their true effectiveness. "I used to take taekwondo, but quit after a while. I'd rather much tire a person out with defensive blocking rather than attack head on, then I start using pressure points, which come in handy in most situations," The one thing that I think is total crap is the idea of using "defense" to beat someone. Why tire them out blocking them out blocking every strike they administer when your defenses could very well fail (remember, you have to be able to see their strike and react accordingly, they are merely throwing out strikes as they see necessary) and they could hit you? Why not suppress their attack with one hand and simultaneously attack with the other, winning the fight more quickly, economically, logically and more effectively? Why bother just blocking them and taking the risk of a miscalculation? Pressure points? They are all well and good, but one must first be able to find the opportunity to take advantage of these points and even then, their effectiveness is compromised against a well places vertical strike. Why show off with fancy blocking and pressure point work when it may only work on occasion or when the opponent is completely untrained? Does not make sense to me. "defensive blocking rather than attack head on," That, my friend, is why when a real fight situation comes your way and the opponent is trained, you will have your arse handed to you on a platter because you refused to counter properly. Same as the Tae Kwon Do head high kick makes little sense to me: groin is exposed for a counter: stance is shaky and easily toppled: kick is easily stopped by a simple side step. As a great SiFu once said, "you kick me in the head? I punch you in the foot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Monkey Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Verily, I am a master of the long, sharp metal stick, so celebrated by human mythology that often loses sight of the basic fact that it is really a big ****ing knife for hacking your victims to death. In the backyard I can do 'one leaf.' Indoors with a naked blade I am down to 'half an inch.' My thrust is as quick as the thought that it is done already. I have developed the yoga myself that makes one proficient with either hand, and even when there is light present I find it unneccessary to actually look at my target. Burgulars: bring a gun. Evil Spock: self-taught ronin, no school...everyone's daddy. vlr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Furious Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 I'm a 2nd kyu blue belt in Aikido......i will be going for my 1st degree black belt grading next year, Aikido is a martial art where you wait for the opponent to initiate the attack and you use their momentum and aggression to either throw, joint-lock, or pin them to the ground completely.......it's the martial art Steven seagal does:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 25, 2003 Share Posted May 25, 2003 Interesting. Ver-ry interesting. If anyone is interested in the sword, per se, we're doing a thread in the Pilot's Lounge at Rogue Squadron right now on the very subject. Techniques and sword trivia are discussed, and I invite you guys to join in... http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99242&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Also in the thread, we make fun of the unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Simpson Posted May 25, 2003 Share Posted May 25, 2003 I've been doing karate for 10 years. I even managed to become Junior Norwegian Champion in 1998, but I haven't been competing since. I've switched from karate to doing more varied techniques and styles though, like stickfighting and knifefighting. It's called Kali Eskrima as far as I can remember, and I'm not too sure about the spelling. Basically it's a combination of different martial arts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawBag™ Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Senior Shodan, shotokan karate at 8 and a half years which I passed when I was fourteen. Had to quit when I was 16. *sighs* Two bitchy points I'd like to make: 1. Anyone out there obtained a black belt in 3 years or less? If so, GO BACK AND TRAIN MORE! Thats way too short a time. 2. I personally don't consider any form of kickboxing to be a martial art, because a martial art disciplines the body and mind for self defense, not to beat the **** out of someone for competition. thats a weight off my chest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Taekwon-Do I Dan This is a very potent martial art and is very effective, both in competition and in the street for self-defence. For those who say it is ineffective, that says more about you than the actual art itself... For more information, see, http://www.itf-information.com -W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 i take fencing lessons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoM[Chrono] Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Orange belt in Karate and I'm studying the use of the Bo staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 In fact I do my own fighting art. Hand defense techniques, Kicks and punches.... In the past I used to do Karate (4thKyu)...Wado Ryu style. I also got a look at Wing Tsun...only one evening but I found those chain punches very effective. Nowadays I train in private at home when I have the time (Not club anymore)... I keep my eyes open...when I meet someone with an interesting technique I always like to learn these:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homuncul Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 1 dan aikido aikikai This is a very potent martial art and is very effective, both in competition and in the street for self-defence. For those who say it is ineffective, that says more about you than the actual art itself... I think all arts are competent, otherwise they wouldn't be called martial art. Of course a true art is not something you see on a championship or in street fight but that's my opinion. The thing I doubt in your sentence which is the essence of how we choose a martial art is that you only consider its effectiveness by the way it looks on the championships and in the streets. That I thought was out of any "do" arts. Two bitchy points I'd like to make: 1. Anyone out there obtained a black belt in 3 years or less? If so, GO BACK AND TRAIN MORE! Thats way too short a time. 2. I personally don't consider any form of kickboxing to be a martial art, because a martial art disciplines the body and mind for self defense, not to beat the **** out of someone for competition. I agree with first because dan is mostly about experience which no technique learning can give. I myself got 1 dan after 2.5 years. Many considered me to be too fast with it. I was good at technique but was nothing with experience. Bout kickboxing practice I don't know much...sorry...can't tell anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taekwondo joe Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 i never saw this thread, hmm, any way yes, from my name i am in to tae kwon do, and have been taking it for 4 and a half years now, black belt i am, i dont know if i wish to go higher or not. but i have won many tournaments, and came in 4th in junior olimpiacs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Homuncul I think we might be on the same wavelength, but my post perhaps was not clear... I was trying to say what you said that all arts are competent. I was picking up on someone who said TKD was just flashy kicks and not that powerful. All martial arts, in the true definition of the word should be treated with equal respect as they all have certain advantages and disadvantages. For example in Taekwon-do, yes there are lot of kicks which are extremely powerful, but on the reverse, we would struggle in a wrestling/grappling type situation. I imagine the opposite would be said about aikido? I have limited knowledge about that, apart from it doesn't involve the same kinetics as TKD because you wait for an attack to come in before countering. Is that right? To each, his own. Different people are suited to different arts. Some are better suited to grappling, Judo style arts, rather than direct contact style arts such as Taekwon-Do and the various forms of Karate... -W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taekwondo joe Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 what you justs aid about tkd is true, but my teacher also teaches us self defence, hopketo, have no idea how to spell that, any way i have the best of both worlds, although i love tkd, when in a fight, i would never through a kick untill i have tiger clawed the dudes wind pipe, kicks i would use for finishing move. but my style is, let some one attack me, i never attack them, becuase i am best at countering some ones moves, and fast enough to make it count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Wow, a lot of MAists here! Just make sure you're taking a GOOD school. A lot of dojos have toned down the difficulty for people........I once took out a black belt in my school because he had improper training, and possibly due to some fast moves for my being. (He punched there, grabbed it, pulled it, and hit him with a couple of punches to the stomach.) (He said he got it under 5 years.) http://www.shaolin.com/page.asp?content_id=1033 Sure it's a shaolin page, but it has many of the basics you should look for. And I heard Karate and TKD have one of the highest chances of being this type of school. That said, I don't actually study a Martial Art, mom thinks I'll get bruises even though I'm actually one of the strongest in class due to weight training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawBag™ Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Good to see so many of you support the experience factor. It took me five and half years to get my black and I was only fourteen. On my original posting it said 'Senior Shodan' cos' the federation my dojo was part of supported an age policy (i.e-12 yrs and under = junior etc.) Looking back being 20 and not actually training officially now, I would say that I was too young at the time. It's a very difficult and disciplined process. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taekwondo joe Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by Guardian Omega Wow, a lot of MAists here! Just make sure you're taking a GOOD school. A lot of dojos have toned down the difficulty for people........I once took out a black belt in my school because he had improper training, and possibly due to some fast moves for my being. (He punched there, grabbed it, pulled it, and hit him with a couple of punches to the stomach.) (He said he got it under 5 years.) http://www.shaolin.com/page.asp?content_id=1033 Sure it's a shaolin page, but it has many of the basics you should look for. And I heard Karate and TKD have one of the highest chances of being this type of school. That said, I don't actually study a Martial Art, mom thinks I'll get bruises even though I'm actually one of the strongest in class due to weight training. bruses??? lol. i almost broke my foot, had a minor concussion, countless kicks to the nuts, knee smashed, and a few others, yeah, its not a sport for peeps who cant stand pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_yomama Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 I took TaeKwonDo lessons about a year ago. I stopped at green belt- blue stripe because the instructer would wait till the whole class was ready to test instead of the individual. This really sucked bcz you had to wait for the young white belts to even be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Homuncul, can you tell us about the kicking defence in Aikido? I've wondered how an Aikido practitioner is going to deflect a Karate black belt, for example - any techniques dealing with kicks (high and low)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRaSaMuNe Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 I took Classical Martial Arts for four years. Then I got a job and well... that's my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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