C'jais Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 http://www.jediism.org/ Does it have merit as a real religion? Can art be spiritual? What's the difference between Jediism and other religions? Discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Well new religions have to start somewhere. Why not with a fiction based fantasy? All the other religions are based on fiction. OOPS, sorry. Joseph Campbell Gave major props to Lucas for offering a modern format for humans to experience all the emotions generated by devotion to a Higher ideal. IE Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homuncul Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 No difference between other religions. It's also based on ideas long roaming the earth, propogaded by Heinlein, Azimov, Lem and man others. It also has a connection to other religions and many followers all over the world, making it a world religion. It has rituals in it like quote-of-quotes: "And may the force be with you". It has a book with commandments (just they're written in different form than in Bible). Jediism is more valid than many other cults What more..... Oh yeah, it's based on faith in Force providence. I'm much more for Jediism than for Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Yeah, ive talked with some of them... strangly enough. It was a funny story, i clicked religions to see what religious chat rooms would come up (in the yahoo instant messanger) and i saw one called Jedi's Temple.. .so i thought cool i can talk about star wars and stuff in there, and it must be christian since its in the christian section. I went in, said hey, they said hi. Then i said anyone play jk2, and then it got quiet... was kind of weird... then they start typing lol stuff like that. They had the game, but then they explained why the chat room was there, i thought it was a joke and told em it was just a movie. They even gave me that link. As it turns out, it has nothing to do with Jedi.. or anything else. It has something to do with a religion called Chi, what ever that is Heard its something to do with demons and stuff, so im staying out of it They said goerge lucas got the idea from this and the whole idea is stolen I was really confused in the end. I even got most of the convo O_O i dont have the beginning though... for some reason it didnt copy when i hit ctrl C. :| ill just post a tiny peice O_O and edit there names (if its not allowed then tell me but im sure i saw a convo posted in the swamp one time) and that guy2 didnt believe them. lukeskywalker1: it was a movie!!!!!! i like star wars also, look, the force was made up in 1975, by george lucas, then the original movie was relesed in 1977.... lukeskywalker1: how do u know the force????? GUY1: I'm curious, is a padawan any level except Jedi Master (I was reading the ranks on jediism.com) GUY2 joined the room lukeskywalker1: do u worship the force? chi_mystic_40: no lukeskywalker1: so what do u do? GUY2: is this real? lukeskywalker1: what? GUY3: you breathe lukeskywalker1: yeah GUY3: yes lukeskywalker1: that has nothing to do with star wars, or the force.... GUY2: crazy fool GUY2: s GUY2: ok GUY2: what ever GUY3: I can send you instructions but i don't feal like teaching today i am sick GUY2: jedis arnt real lukeskywalker1: yeah they are crazy arent they, or were u talking about me? lukeskywalker1: the force isnt real, for some reason they think it is.... GUY1: http://www.jediism.com GUY2: HAHAHAHa GUY2: the ultimate fan dillusion GUY2: hey fool lukeskywalker1: yeah i laughed some too.... i like star wars, but i know its just a few movies.... GUY3: luke i can send you instructions GUY2: you cant even enter with out a pass word lukeskywalker1: i dont want instructions, its all made up!!!! GUY3: forget it GUY3: your right lukeskywalker1: use the force, come on GUY2: yea he is GUY1: remember to treat this room with respect...please... GUY2: lol GUY3: so why bother me GUY2: yea mind trick me GUY2: lol lukeskywalker1: use it, what can u do? lukeskywalker1: im not disrespecting the room.... GUY3: GUY1: no, I'm mostly talking to GUY2 GUY2: just get an imagination GUY2: if your gona believe in this **** dont base it on a movie GUY2: lol lukeskywalker1: yeah.... lukeskywalker1: anyone can make up there own religion.... GUY3: mama a closed mind can do nothing GUY1: ty chi lukeskywalker1: closed mind.... GUY2: yea well you mind cant do nothin either GUY2: lol GUY3: your right lukeskywalker1: u have a closed mind, there is only one true religion, but its got nothing to do with star wars..... lukeskywalker1: i never thought anyone actually believed in the force...lol GUY2: luke lukeskywalker1: what GUY2: its fan geeks going to an extreem lukeskywalker1: yeah i know GUY3: GUY2 I'm not a starwars fan at all GUY2 left the room lukeskywalker1: really, how do u beleive in the force then... GUY3: I told you GUY3: chi is a name for the force GUY3: I am a martial artist GUY3: chi is the force GUY3: has many names GUY3: ki qi lukeskywalker1: what is chi? what are u tlaking about.... GUY3: prana GUY3: chi is the life force in us lukeskywalker1: our spirit.... lukeskywalker1: soul GUY3: look up chi in search engines lukeskywalker1: ? lukeskywalker1: umm, does it have anything to do with star wars.... GUY3: I practice chi kung GUY3: no lukeskywalker1: or the FORCE form the movie.... GUY3: the force in the movie is chi GUY4: I'm back, folks. lukeskywalker1: no the force in the movie, is the force, its not real.... GUY3: I believe about the same lukeskywalker1: so u think ur a jedi, wheres ur saber? GUY3: to those who don't understand it is not real lukeskywalker1: then what are u talking about..... GUY3: do you believe in the holy spirit? lukeskywalker1: yeah GUY3: me 2 lukeskywalker1: christianity, but not star wars.... GUY1: greetings GUY4 GUY3: is chi GUY3: I am a christian lukeskywalker1: no its the holy spirit....u can t change God's word and call it something else GUY4: oh, this is something. GUY3: GUY4: hi, ain_akh.... what's your name signify? lukeskywalker1: so what religion is this based on? GUY3: ok go back to what you weill I give up lukeskywalker1: oh ok GUY4: religion? who says it's a religion? lukeskywalker1: Jedi's Temple, sounds like a religion to me... GUY3: did jesus tell hes desciples to pester those that they couldn't understand? GUY4: the art of turning fossil fuels into hemi-powered monsters with holly carbs is not a religion....it's a science. GUY1: do you know hebrew? lukeskywalker1: no he helped them.... lukeskywalker1: no i dont know hebrew GUY3: ruach GUY4: no, just a few phrases from my christian days. GUY4: we were kinda supposed to learn hebrew, as good christians, you know. lukeskywalker1: im a christian GUY4: eli eli labachthani. lukeskywalker1: it says that in the bible? lukeskywalker1: where? GUY4: luke....says "what" in the bible? lukeskywalker1: i follow the bible, not some jedism thing..... GUY4: it's not jedi-ism. GUY3: then why luke are you here? lukeskywalker1: i was talking about the hebrew thing u said, we are supposed to learn hebrew, GUY4: jedi clampett was an old-time prophet. ha ha ha. lukeskywalker1: whatever u are talking about GUY3: lol GUY1: generic, my name means : nothing but to make-yield truth. lukeskywalker1: i was looking for a chrstian chat room, to spread od's word lukeskywalker1: i mean God's word lukeskywalker1: but i came here because i saw jedi in the name, and thought i could talk about some star wars stuff GUY3: maybe you should know his spirit first lukeskywalker1: 'i do, but where is it called chi? GUY4: you know, luke...some old time pentecostals think "chi" and prana are satanic.....how bad that sucks. anyways... was weird i hope i got everyones name out it was freaky. if im not allowed to post convos from chat rooms let me know and ill deleted my post thanks ok... and it appears it was jediism.com :| you said .ORG... might be the same site.. i dont know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 OK, I'm a Christian and for some reason, that conversation just completely freaked me out. I'm beginning to feel the same way about this as I did about my family wanting to watch Harry Potter movies. I feel sorry that people are interested in this. I feel that Christianity is not religion. Rather, it is a relationship with God's son, Jesus. In that sense, how can Jediism be the same religion when they don't even mention Jesus, let alone admit to a relationship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 well said. i was really confused at the end of it. yeah they said some weird things... :| anyways, that chi thing is really sort of like harry potter. Witchcraft, except chi involves something with demons, looks like it has come back and renamed itself jediism. Really, i go on to the christian chat rooms to bring people to christ. I saw that jedi's temple, and thought it would be kool to talk about star wars... Anyways, youd be surprised, harry potter is sort of true, a fictional story based on true things. Witchcraft is real. The auther, whatever the womans name is, said herself, if you want to write about evil, then go all the way. The spells are real, she just changed the words. Its all in latin, like the witchcraft spells, they conjure up demons and stuff like that. She knows it. And yes for all you people who dont know, there are witches out there, they have there own religion and all that other stuff. Ive seen em, as much as it looks dumb.. its real. I saw em like walking around in circles around something, throwing flowers down.. i dont know what they were doing... and i dont want to. I feel that Christianity is not religion. Rather, it is a relationship with God's son, Jesus. In that sense, how can Jediism be the same religion when they don't even mention Jesus, let alone admit to a relationship? Exacly right, it was so confusing. Ive never been more confused about anything than that. At first i thought it was just some star wars freaks, like that guy said, taking to seriously, but after he left and the convo kept going yhou could tell it was nothing at all to do with star wars, or the force... it was a force (demonic), not THE force (like in star wars, THE FORCE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Anyways, youd be surprised, harry potter is sort of true That doesn't surprise me one bit. is real. I know. The former Jr. High pastor at my church told a story about something like that. He and a friend of his went into a store that had something to do with or something like it with the hopes of sharing the truth. As soon as they walked through the door, the owner of the shop stopped everything he was doing and stared straight at them. "I know who you guys are," he said. "You're Christians." This tells me that, not only is real, but I have a feeling that the reason they can do what they do is because they are demon posessed. What else could pinpoint a Christian before he even speaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Yeah, cuase poeple dont have that power, but demons do. Sort of freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Siraious Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 So certain that if anyone has any powers what so ever that they are posessed by demons are yous. Why couldn't have God/ God's/Universe have given people those powers. People are too quick to judge. Not everything can be explained that way. On Topic: Well done to these people if they can live to serve the Greater Good. Really who cares what others believe in as long as they dont try to force others to believe what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Yeah, cuase poeple dont have that power, but demons do. Sort of freaky. then that means... I HAVE POWERS! *uses powers to do stuff* anyways. i agree with what's his name up there, Lord Siraious, aslong as they do good things i could care less, and aslong as they don't come forcing me to believe what they do and interrupt my movies I'm cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 So certain that if anyone has any powers what so ever that they are posessed by demons are yous. Why couldn't have God/ God's/Universe have given people those powers. People are too quick to judge. Not everything can be explained that way. Im not judging, thats what this 'chi' religion is. And its on topic, because if you read the convo they say its called chi... anyways. i agree with what's his name up there, Lord Siraious, aslong as they do good things i could care less, and aslong as they don't come forcing me to believe what they do and interrupt my movies I'm cool with it. I think its more for self gain (im not sure) They told me it has nothing to do with the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 It isn't any stupider than Scientology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I'm sorry, but if you call your religion "Jediism" and subscribe to understanding "The Force" and then try to say it isnt based on a movie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 Thats what they said O_O and other things lukeskywalker1: ok so is the force ur talking about from star wars, or something else.... lukeskywalker1: GUY6 these guys believe in the force from star wars... GUY5: the force is just the power of a human who is in tune with the spiritual realms. look at the faith healers...they are in touch with god....through the holy spirit and through the lord. GUY6: do you have proof the force does not exist? GUY6: I can neithe proove it nor disproove it GUY5: that's like saying god exists or not. GUY5: atheists waste all kinds of time with that crap. GUY5: it's pointless. lukeskywalker1: it was a movie!!!!!!!!! prophets like paul, did miricles, through the holy spirit, God helped them, he gave them the stregnth to do that stuff.... GUY7: its been proven like the wind.. GUY6: well, atheists might say it, but it is still a fine question. one which nobody here has even tried to anwser, I might add. lukeskywalker1: im not athiest...God doesnt say anything about the force, he doesnt say use the force u can heal people GUY5: luke....it was a movie...yes. a work of fiction...yes.....but it has echoes of the possibilities for a human who is in tune with the force. GUY5: luke...we're not talking about making a religion out of a movie, dude. GUY7: dont call it force then.. call it chi.. or energy.. simple quantum mechanics lukeskywalker1: the force is not real, god is real!!! GUY5: quantum mechanics..yes. GUY5: the art of turning fossil fuels into hemi-powered monsters with holly carbs is not a religion....it's a science. GUY6 left the room lukeskywalker1: what are u talking about?????? then why is this called jedi's temple, and why do u think u are jedis or something....use force lightning!!! zap me! lukeskywalker1: where in the bible does it talk about chi? GUY5: amigo....the bible does not mention chi. I dont know... i dont get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 0.O Hah!! Ahahahahahahhahahahah That's all I have to say about "Jediism". j/k ....JEDIISM???!!! WTF IS THAT SPOSED TO BE? It's not just a "fiction based fantasy". Jedi, force, everything, was invented by George Lucas!! Who ever thought it would be a regligoin?! i think the world already has enough religions, thank you, and I don't want Jedi-robed preachers telling me about a completely fictional Force, and how I should learn its powers...blah blah blah. holy MOLY! some people take movies WAY too seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by joetheeskimo5 i think the world already has enough religions, thank you, and I don't want Jedi-robed preachers telling me about a completely fictional Force, There are some that would contend that this is what many, if not most, of the world's religions already do. Why not one that is more up-to-date with our times.... Islam, Budism, Hinduism, and christianity are out-of-date. Their doctrines were created in times of superstition and ignorance. A new religion, based upon current knowledge might not be a bad thing. It would certainly have as much validity as any other. Unless of course you already subscribe to an "other." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 holy MOLY! some people take WAY too seriously! I completely agree. Did you know that, for vacation destinations, Mordor, Hogwarts, and other such fictional places rank pretty high up on the top searches list? I'd say that it's gone a little far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Its not exaclty new skinwalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by SkinWalker There are some that would contend that this is what many, if not most, of the world's religions already do. Why not one that is more up-to-date with our times.... Islam, Budism, Hinduism, and christianity are out-of-date. Their doctrines were created in times of superstition and ignorance. A new religion, based upon current knowledge might not be a bad thing. It would certainly have as much validity as any other. Unless of course you already subscribe to an "other." Maybe so, but I said, I would rather stick with the religions we have now, than have another superstitious religion to deal with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by joetheeskimo5 Maybe so, but I said, I would rather stick with the religions we have now, than have another superstitious religion to deal with! Why? Because "It's gonna be too crowded"? The more choice the better. The less institutionalized and more personal, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by SkinWalker There are some that would contend that this is what many, if not most, of the world's religions already do. Why not one that is more up-to-date with our times.... Islam, Budism, Hinduism, and christianity are out-of-date. Their doctrines were created in times of superstition and ignorance. A new religion, based upon current knowledge might not be a bad thing. It would certainly have as much validity as any other. Unless of course you already subscribe to an "other." buddhism is a philosophy not a religion and also they have updated it consistently. i have a book beside me right now that's basically buddhism 2003. hell the dalai lama uses a computer. he basically asks all buddhist communities to update there scriptures to the current year, and he does it each year. just thought i'd let you in. but then again like any other group there are the old world people. so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wilson Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 seems ok to me. No more stupid then any other religion and the idea of chi been round a hell of a lot longer then Star wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by InsaneSith buddhism is a philosophy not a religion and also they have updated it consistently. i have a book beside me right now that's basically buddhism 2003. I'm actually quite a fan of Buddism.... but it is accepted the world over as a "religion." I guess one could argue that there is a fine line that separates a religion from a philosophy. More likely, religion is a subset of philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by wildjedi OK, I'm a Christian and for some reason, that conversation just completely freaked me out. I'm beginning to feel the same way about this as I did about my family wanting to watch Harry Potter movies. I feel sorry that people are interested in this. Why would you have a problem with Harry Potter (a better selling book series than the King James Bible, according to the Herald Tribune). OK, I'll concede that the first two or three books are for 11-13yr-olds, but that's actually what they are marketed as. But the universe really expands enormously, and gets increasingly gothic... Anyway, the films aren't that great, but why would anyone be opposed to them? If you don't want to spend 10€ watching them, then don't, right. Welcome to the free market. Anyways, youd be surprised, harry potter is sort of true Huh? True? It has a couple of references to the post-WWII/Glasnost cleanups, a little foreign politics, and is a big parody of a boarding school novel, but beyond that? I know. The former Jr. High pastor at my church told a story about something like that. He and a friend of his went into a store that had something to do with or something like it with the hopes of sharing the truth. As soon as they walked through the door, the owner of the shop stopped everything he was doing and stared straight at them. "I know who you guys are," he said. "You're Christians." This tells me that, not only is real, but I have a feeling that the reason they can do what they do is because they are demon posessed. What else could pinpoint a Christian before he even speaks? Oh Please! There are three kinds of people who come into an RPG/GW store: 1) People who play RPG/GW. 2) People who are there to buy gifts for people who play RPG/GW, but who know squat about it themselves. 3) Preachers. 1) These move about like they know what they are doing (because they do). 2) These fret about, trying to decide whether to ask for help from the staff and/or take crumpled notes out of their pockets/bags, and try to decipher someone's handwriting. 3) These are a pain in the arse. You do the math. Oh, and on topic: Sure, of course Jediism can be a religion. It complies with all the neccesairy criteria, except that no-one has yet murdered anyone over it. Oh, and speaking of 'artificial' religions: Thought for the day: The Emperor's light is your torch, use it to destroy the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by SkinWalker I'm actually quite a fan of Buddism.... but it is accepted the world over as a "religion." I guess one could argue that there is a fine line that separates a religion from a philosophy. More likely, religion is a subset of philosophy. well buddhism is more of a philosophical lifestyle, true it is accepted as a religion though technically it isn't. but I understand what you are saying. oh and theres a rather good book i found called the buddhist handbook. they did a pretty decent job of expressing buddhism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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