BaronGrackle

It was probably early 2000s. I wasn't on Monkey Island forums, but I did read articles from the webrings. And I probably got the idea from an article like this: https://scummbar.com/resources/articles/index.php?newssniffer=readarticle&article=2 ...with the eyes dismissed in a Bill Tiller quote: So let me backtrack... maybe I didn't read that those things were put in against Ron's will. I read that they were thrown in as a just-in-case room for a sequel, but they were unrelated to the ending's true meaning. Put that on Bill Tiller!

MI2 does have the mid-credits scene of Elaine wondering what had happened to Guybrush, hoping that LeChuck hadn't put a terrible curse on him. I remember in the late 90s, people who didn't want to interpret that ending as a curse chose to believe that LeChuck's glowing eyes and Elaine's comments were added against Ron Gilbert's will.

Noah Falstein said we were allowed to write essays! 😛

So This is what I'm thinking about now. 1) Ron has replayed MI1 and MI2 very recently, before he worked on this game. 2) After playing through MI1 and MI2, it is difficult for me to imagine anyone assuming that Stan would still own that shipyard and the old Pirate Leaders would still be at that Scumm Bar table after MI2 is over (or after MI5 either, of course). This was the status quo at the BEGINNING of MI1, and it had changed by the END of MI1. 3) Ron has said this game isn't a straight chronological Part 3 or Part 6. My current suspicion is that these Mêlée Island scenes could be some alternative version of Guybrush's first appearance in MI1. Possibly related to the Big Whoop amusement park.

Maybe in 30 years, people will be able to just log into the equivalent of archive.org and the old games of today for free.

Funny enough, this is part of the reason I've gravitated to consoles in the recent couple of decades. My PS2 is still playing its old titles. If my parents hadn't sold off our NES and Genesis, I'd likely still have access to them. Though, truth be told, I am nervous about the durability of more modern consoles.

With Grossman also being familiar with Tales, maybe we can hope for it.

Right? I sort of felt like their story was over when they fled LeChuck toward the end of Part 1. I'm surprised Guybrush has much reverence for or even memory of them. They certainly weren't around in Escape days, nor did anybody expect them to be! 😆

With that perspective, I daresay that RMI had better not ignore the Voodoo Lady as a manipulator, or else that thread will hang forever and never be resolved.

Oh my goodness. That's what hat monkey is for. Don't you get it? Don't you see? Hat monkey is there for Monkey Kombat training at Smirk's gym. Hat monkey is a Monkey Kombat expert that makes The Machine more than a match for the giant monkey from Escape.

Funny enough, I disagree on your last two. After Escape, I was disappointed that the series ended with my least favorite game, the last puzzle being a Monkey Kombat response that worked for reasons I didn't fully understand, and the final moment being Guybrush calling for Jar Jar. With Tales, yes the conversation between Voodoo Lady and Morgan come as a sequel hook, but it was easy for me to interpret it as normal stuff that was going to keep happening in the universe. Like the tvtropes article "And the Adventure Continues". As far as pre-credits is concerned, the Tales ending reflected the conversation between Guybrush and Elaine at the end of Secret... so it felt full circle in my mind.

Generational differences are funny. I played Ron's Lucas adventure games but was too old to follow Ron to Humongous Entertainment... when he left, I was still enjoying games at LucasArts. I know some people started with Ron's Humongous games and then, when they got older, discovered his older work at Lucas.

I believe Dave was the one who programmed the Stan sequence.

Oh! I didn't realize we had CONFIRMATION that Captain Madison is the tall pirate leader in the middle, and also confirmation she is a "she"! Rex Crowle: And here I was, thinking, "I hope he doesn't take me first!" Alright. I really like the pirate leaders, especially Madison, this very tall character. For a lot of the characters in the game I needed a lot of concept art, showed it to Ron and Dave, improved it and so on. But Madison, I just drew her like that, with her beanpole character and that ridiculously tall, long face and the hat on top - she was perfect right away. It's really hard for me to make a decision, but if I have to, I'll choose Madison.

I will fight battles defending the marriage of Guybrush and Elaine wherever I tread. 😛

I was referring to the Monkey Kombat section, in which Guybrush encounters timid monkeys, smelly monkeys, strapping monkeys, and brawny monkeys in infinite amounts. I would use the same logic to argue there are infinite pirates in MI1, during the swordfighting section. The great tragedy is that during the 90s and early 00s, pop culture raised us on everything being a monkey. Let's blow our minds: MONKEY KOMBAT IS A LIE. Anxious Ape - not a monkey Bobbing Babboon - monkey Charging Chimp - not a monkey Drunken Monkey - monkey Gimpy Gibbon - not a monkey THREE-FIFTHS OF THE MONKEY KOMBAT STANCES ARE ACTUALLY APE KOMBAT!! But MI1 failed us originally. Ten years before Herman Toothrot told us he was H.T. Marley, he was telling us that he found enough chimpanzees on Monkey Island to crew a ship, and also these chimpanzees were monkeys. There have been no chimps seen in the MI franchise (with the possible exception of Captain LeChimp). Are we to actually believe that Herman found enough chimps on Monkey Island to crew his ship? If a crew of chimps sailed the Sea Monkey back to Mêlée and sold it to Stan, then where did they go? Are they dead? Did they sail back to the Eastern Hemisphere?!! I trained a bunch of chimps to crew the ship and sail it back to Monkey Island. They were supposed to get help and come back for me. Something must have happened. How come you didn't just go with the chimps? WEEKS on a boat full of monkeys. Oh, joy.

So... is Tales in the lead with 1 monkey?

Do some of you wish there were a wider, louder controversy against Steam and its release practices? So that maybe now, instead of pressure related to character sprites, there could be pressure to release RMI via GOG, or physical copies, or some other method where consumers owned the game directly? EDIT: It's just that I've seen fans who are SO hyped about this game, so excited, so overjoyed... they've sometimes "waited 30 years for it"... and they're not getting it. They won't do Steam on principle, and they don't have a Switch. Meanwhile, there're people like me. A bitter, frothing, often loud hater who hasn't been waiting for anything since 2009, more apprehensive about where the franchise is going than I've ever been - and here I am preordered, ready to buy on day one, just because of system circumstances. Isn't that kind of backwards?

"Most pirates call it Hell." The Secret of Monkey Island is that you need at least one Jojo to access the hellgate. Jojos are the true key to the hellgate. Jojos scattered at key points to tear the fabric itself. Jojos to unlock, channel, and animate the living hell-golem of metal and steam. A horde of Jojo slaves operating the hellgate as itcturns living souls to undead skeletons, some Jojos periodically visible in the upper right window (only a tail is in this image). Jojos to open the gateway to crossroads, connecting the planes of reality and making possible the shattering of that barrier with fantasy. Jojos. Are. The. Key. To. Hell. Now. Can we just get confirmation that, apart from Murray, these other skulls are from monkeys named Jojo?

New spin-off series following the unlikely adventures of Seagull, Jojo, and Polly!

If that happened, Your Honor, then Guybrush Threepwood is cleared of yet another civil charge.

Also... Does this script indicate that the two monkeys, together, are collectively named "Jojo"? Or, is the hat monkey so insignificant that it doesn't get acknowledged, with all of the false bride's actions being attributed to a different monkey named Jojo? If the script for Smirk's machine doesn't include that hat monkey, is it arguable that the hat monkey doesn't actually exist?

But the TAILS! The Tails of Monkey Island!

ORDER! We're going to need to see a full sprite sheet for this supposed "Jojo".

On the one hand, I sympathize with wanting to preserve an original product. On the other hand, I shudder a bit that vocal "blackface" is only recently becoming uncomfortable to people. I loved Aladdin for years without reflecting on voicecast in it. So yeah, I get the desire to recast Bosco and Voodoo Lady in remasters when applicable.