Master_Keralys Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 While there hasn't been a ton of discussion on it in here, I've seen a lot of theories elsewhere that say that Palpatine dies, and is replaced by a clone controlled by Sidious. Bovine Excrement. Palpatine is Sidious. No argument. Unless we want to say that Palpatine didn't brainwash the Senate. Didn't mind control Jar Jar in that scene in AOTC. etc, etc, etc. I'm interested to see what the ideas on this are around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 yeah anyone who says palpatine isn't sidious are just fooling themselves. at the end of ep I mace says "but which one was destroyed? the master or the apprentice" then the carmera does a deliberate close up of palpatine. if thats not enought.. then look at this picture... The emperors' favourite lazy-boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro The Hutt Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 That and we nicely see Palpatine corrupting Anakin when he's alone with him. "You don't need guidance" and all that. Deliberately telling him the opposite of what he should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 And that stupid parade music played at the end of TPM is really that eery wailing of the Emperor's Theme in RotJ and part of Clones when Ani fesses to those murders. And that pic of Palpy in the throne? TOO COOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 Originally posted by Katarn07 And that stupid parade music played at the end of TPM is really that eery wailing of the Emperor's Theme in RotJ and part of Clones when Ani fesses to those murders. And that pic of Palpy in the throne? TOO COOL! i second this motion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 Oh wow @.@ I never actually noticed that until now, that is scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I've never doubted that Palpatine and Sidious were one-and-the-same, but I don't think Palpy used mind control on Jar Jar in Clones, I think he just said the right thing at the right time. Palpatine has Iego's tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro The Hutt Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I doubt that myself, apparently Palpatine uses a dark Jedi/Sith trick that clouds his strong presence in the Force from the Jedi. (hence why they probably never suspected Palpatine of being the Sith who was rumored to be in the senate) But even besides that, since it's just speculation, wouldn't Yoda and Mace who were watching Jar-Jar's speech sense that he was being controlled like a puppet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Originally posted by Lynk Former Oh wow @.@ I never actually noticed that until now, that is scary The music, throne, or *gulp* Palpy being Sidious? Also, he didn't use mind control, I am sure of that. He was just being deceptive saying Ami woulda done it, so he did it. You don't have to be as dumb as Jar Jar to fall for it.... Bail woulda said something I am sure of that. At the way end of AotC, you see his resentment of the whole situation. By the way, is that picture from AotC??? I never noticed the throne being there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 the chair means nothing it could be a generic office chair for all the senators...and perhaps he just liked it so much that he got it in the death star gawd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 @ Katarn: The Ep 1 parade music being like the throne room music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 The songs are not the same. The first few notes are similar but the rest is way off, besides the core mood of a song comes from the notes, not how fast or how much precussion there is. Did I explain that well? Im no expert on music but I know the songs are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Originally posted by JediNyt The songs are not the same. The first few notes are similar but the rest is way off, besides the core mood of a song comes from the notes, not how fast or how much precussion there is. Did I explain that well? Im no expert on music but I know the songs are not the same. Yes they are. It's in the RotJ 20th Anniversary issue of the SW Insider. Listen to the RotJ one and then the voices in TPM one. Don't listen to the instruments. The children's voices are a faster, more cheerful version of the gloomy wailing of the Emperor's theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 and that's exactly what i noticed... trippy stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Like I said they are similar but not the same. The notes follow a similar pattern but they arent the same notes, meaning they are not the same song. If you find the music on paper and put the two next to eachother you will see the difference, but its still a nice theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 of course it won't be the same notes because one has lil kids singing happily and the other has dark tenor voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Originally posted by JediNyt Like I said they are similar but not the same. The notes follow a similar pattern but they arent the same notes, meaning they are not the same song. If you find the music on paper and put the two next to eachother you will see the difference, but its still a nice theory. I don't know much about music (anymore) but know there are more than one scale but the same note just lower and higher. You can play Mary Had a Little Lamb on a high scale of notes or a low one, as demonstrated in this instance of the parade and Emperor's theme. If that's what Lynk said, than ok. If these won't convince you, then I'll let you believe what you will because I ain't gonna photocopy the article for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 There are more notes in parts of the song, but the cadence is the same. But there are parts of the celebration song that are dead-on, and it's not just the childrens' voices, but also the Gungan brass section. Listen to them back-to-back and you'll notice. I realized their connection when I was listening to the Emperor's Theme on one of the multiplayer levels of Jedi Outcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I understand what your saying Katarn but my point was that they are not exactly the same song. I know they are similar, I know notes have flats and sharps, but the songs are not exactly the same regardless of what pitch and what precussion is used. Im sure they were meant to be similar, if in fact thats what was said in the Insider. Lets get back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 lol we weren't saying they were EXACTLY the same, we said it sounded like they had some connection cause it reminded us of the throne room theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grootmatti Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 are clones and stormtroopers the same or what, (I mean were they meant to be the same,?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 @ groot: this might help you http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Keralys Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 Hehehe. Not even on topic now. Maybe one of the moderators will close this thread. On a final note (yes, a musical note:p) the two pieces of music are simply different arrangements of the same basic melody - that is, one is in a minor key (Emperor's Theme) and the other in a major key and much quicker (end of TPM). This is a classic composer's trick; I do it myself when I write music. All hail John Williams. [someone please close this thread already!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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