TheJackal Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 The best MP3 program is now available to Windows users. I strongly recommend you guys try it out. Its simple, easy to play around with playlists, great search options and also includes the new iTunes Music Store. I have a Mac so I dont know if the PC version is a quick to load and use as the OS X version. But you should really try it out. http://www.apple.com/itunes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Heh...I would have tried it...but it seems it's only for WinXp or Win2k. I'm still using Win98SE at the moment, so I guess that puts paid to that. Thanks for the heads-up anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 hear hear!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Free music = more money to buy video games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Free music = No money to artists or everyone involved in the music making process = no music. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I said..FREE not Pirated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Originally posted by STTCT I said..FREE not Pirated.... I didn't mean to imply piracy. I'm just highlighting the fact that nothing is really 'Free' in this world. Someone, somewhere, has to pay for it. The entire concept of any free commodity is an illusion. If music truly was 'free', and people received no payment for it, then they could only produce it out of the kindness of their heart. Which in a way, means that the artist themselves is 'paying' for the music. Of course...piracy is also a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 i have a lot of mp3s on my pc but it is all legit because i just ripped them from my cds so i could listen to them without putting the cds in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Originally posted by StormHammer Free music = No money to artists or everyone involved in the music making process = no music. Great. Actually, stores still buy it right? And, I think that they won't give them their money back if they don't sell. So, in a way, those over-rich people anyway, who also get money for Commericals, concerts, shirts, and other stuff, still get payed with money which could go to people who actually need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Actually, CDs that don't sell do get returned to the distributor for the store's money back, or credit toward a future release by that record company. The artists only get paid royalties on what CDs sell at retail. The ones that get returned to the warehouse get a hole cut or drilled into the case, and become discounted "cut-out" discs. They eventually make thier way back in bargain-bins. Artists usually make no money on those when sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Originally posted by STTCT Free music = more money to buy video games Or, in some people's cases free music = the quick and easy path to free movies and free video games ... Not all free music is pirated, I know. But the majority, the vast majority of songs obtained without exchange of money is pirated. And that is something I detest and oppose. Even more than I hate Sony and the rest for 'pissing on the promises' made to me and others who paid hundreds for 1x CD players back more than 20 years ago and $18 per CD with the promise that in 5 years the price would be <10 ... still waiting ... What were we talking about? iTunes! I'm on my Mac now, but am a multi-OS guy with a sweet new Dell Inspiron 8600 for JA. iTunes is clearly better than any other music player/burner I've used, and the integration with my iPod is stunning. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 First of all, iTunes don't use MP3 - it uses AAC, since MP3 has no way of having DRM (digital rights management) incorporated into it. It also only allows you to download to an iPod, so using all the other Windows based digital music players with this music isn't possible. Sounds like a rush job by Apple to appease those that have stated that iTunes on an OS that is only 4-5% of the complete market, and being the best option of legal music downloads. Who is Apple trying to appease? The record companies, or themselves, to get more people to buy an iPod???? The other thing is the limited burns of the music, once you have purchased something, it should be yours to use as you wish inside the limits of the copyright laws, as if you had purchased a physical CD copy, not a enforced limit. Remove the DRM side of it, and I'll seriously think about it, until then its still getting the physical CD's for me. Get sick of all this fake, technically user rights' infringing technology, that stop the user from using their legal rights to do with as they please in accordance with copyright laws. It should be no different than walking into a store and getting a copy, but it isn't, they put all these restrictions upon you as the downloader........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted October 19, 2003 Author Share Posted October 19, 2003 hum, i dont know where you go the idea that iTunes ONLY uses AAC. It plays every kind of audio format. The ACC part is when you DOWNLOAD it using iTunes, which I think makes perfect sence! I mean, they are the first to really release a program that allows user to pay for music online without it being overpriced AND get media, music lovers and music companies to love it. It only makes sence they sell AAC files online. What garantees them you wont pass it off afterwards? Anyways, I havent tested out iTunes on the PC yet. Dont plan to however. I'm more than happy with iTunes on my Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 i love this iTunes program, thanks for the heads up man, it is so much easier to use then musicmatch and more elaborate then mediaplayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Yeah, I'm using iTunes now after Jackal's recommendation. It is pretty sweet! I haven't used winamp in a while and was using windows media for my playback...but itunes definitely is superior. I think Apple is trying to get PC users to use as many apple products as possible so that the next time those people go to buy a computer, they figure an apple is a good choice since all the programs they use are apple programs anyways. Sorry for that run on Swoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 i was all excited and rushed over to download it, then discovered it was XP or 2000 only. :mad: it also makes it sound like you need an iPod to use it? Is that true, or are they just angling to get you to buy one? I have a Rio s30s that i love and i was wondering if anyone uses iTunes with other mp3 players than the iPod? (on the off chance i upgrade my OS sometime soon, which is unlikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 No, you don't need an iPod to use it...but it works well with iPod I guess. I'm not sure about using other mp3 players with it though. Swoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I'd watch out, since there is DRM - digital rights management, in iTunes, that is where this copying, other than to a CD, is very limited. Also, since it only ends up downloading as AAC (a very good codec), what players out there really handle AAC naturally??? It's all fine and good if you use it and keep the music just on your PC, but alot of people want to burn it to CD (limit of 5) or copy to a portable music player / PDA. When it then basically only really works with an iPod in a Windows environment, it isn't complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Originally posted by BCanr2d2 I'd watch out, since there is DRM - digital rights management, in iTunes, that is where this copying, other than to a CD, is very limited. Also, since it only ends up downloading as AAC (a very good codec), what players out there really handle AAC naturally??? It's all fine and good if you use it and keep the music just on your PC, but alot of people want to burn it to CD (limit of 5) or copy to a portable music player / PDA. When it then basically only really works with an iPod in a Windows environment, it isn't complete. A few things: - Saying that working with iPod isn't enough is pretty much like saying a product for laptops only is not complete. Sure it is limiting, but given that laptops constitute ~40% of computers and iPods are by far the best selling MP3 players. - iTunes has the 'most fair' DRM available. Check out Sony's or MS's ... I think you can use your iTunes music on 3 PC's and make 5 CD copies. Again, compare that to Sony's new CD's - you can't play some of them on any computer, nor can you rip them. - I have had my Sony Clie NZ90 and (now) UX-50 working well with iTunes as well. I have a 512MB memory stick in the UX 50, and use it when I don't want to carry the iPod and need my PDA. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 i have an iPod. It works amazingly well with iTunes. They complete each other. My whole library and all my playlists are exactly the same on both my Mac and my iPod. I know someone who has a Windows formated iPod. I'll have to ask him if he used iTunes for it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by TheJackal i have an iPod. It works amazingly well with iTunes. They complete each other. My whole library and all my playlists are exactly the same on both my Mac and my iPod. I know someone who has a Windows formated iPod. I'll have to ask him if he used iTunes for it yet. I love my iPod. I still have the 5GB version - I can't think of the last gadget I used for 2 years as a 'primary' device ... sure I can, the Newton MP2000 back 96 ... The seamless integration is something ... it just works. Every time, all the time. I have switched Powerbooks 3 times, OS upgrades, and so on ... it still gets ~10 hours battery, sync's every time, and so on. Amazing. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 is there an easy way to convert aac to mp3 or wwa format? or does the DRM prevent it? I feel it is perfectly fair to pay 99c a music track and wouldbe happy to do so, but the music industry seems determined to make it as hard as possible for me to do so. there just comes a point where you say sod it and just download it for free as it is much less hassle. I'd love an i-pod, but i use my mp3 player while skating and snowboarding, and i don't think i would want to risk an ipod for extreme sports. I think it would be more of an additional device for less extreme activities (like sitting on a train for 5 hours) but i can afford both right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by toms is there an easy way to convert aac to mp3 or wwa format? or does the DRM prevent it? I feel it is perfectly fair to pay 99c a music track and wouldbe happy to do so, but the music industry seems determined to make it as hard as possible for me to do so. there just comes a point where you say sod it and just download it for free as it is much less hassle. I'd love an i-pod, but i use my mp3 player while skating and snowboarding, and i don't think i would want to risk an ipod for extreme sports. I think it would be more of an additional device for less extreme activities (like sitting on a train for 5 hours) but i can afford both right now. I'm not sure about the DRM issues with conversion, or whether you could take your AAC's, burn them to audio CD, then rip them to MP3's. But you are so right about the Industry issues - they are making it hard for honest people. In the pursuit of a relatively small number of genuine pirates, they are making enemies out of a large number of normal folks who would be willing to pay a reasonable price for music if they would only let us, and who blame all of the industry's woes on downloaders. I'm strongly against piracy, but also think that the RIAA just doesn't get it. Changing technology doesn't change context. They were thinking about the technology, about how people could make a 'perfect copy' and lost sight of the fact that most people don't care about that. They just want to listen to their music at their convenience. I listen to music on my home stereo, kitchen CD player, bedroom CD player, CD in office computer at home, CD in office computer at work, MP3's on office computer at work, CD player or (more often) iPod in car ... you get the point. When it was all albums, I'd record to tape immediately, then typically make 'mix tapes' with various songs from albums. I'd record a song from a friend's album, or he from mine. If we liked the whole thing we'd buy the album. Now doing that would make me a pirate. Sharing for the millions? Fine, I agree that is wrong. But who are Sony to tell me what CD-playing device I can or cannot use to play my music I paid for. They should have a warning label - Warning - this CD has crippling technology that allows it to only play in Sony approved devices. Give me a break ... ... oops, turned into a rant ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Without having the source material, if there is DRM, then it might take some trickery to get it done. I have one off the top of my head, but won't post it here, just incase it contravenes the forum rules. txa, if a telco put the proviso to something they offered, that it was only made for odd numbered houses, imagine the uproar. So, why should apple only provide support for their own hardware????? That's a bit different to what you think I was suggesting. The relatively small amount of time to develop for other devices would've been better. Currently, the iTunes on Windows is a knee jerk reaction to the current situation, with a whole bunch of Windows clients for legal music downloads about to release before Xmas. Apple has a 70% share of the entire legal music download revenue, and that's with a user base max. of 4-5% of the complete computer user base. As Steve Jobs noted, Hell has frozen over!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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