Sherack Nhar Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Note: I'm going all-out on spoilers here, so don't read if you haven't seen it yet (unless you simply don't care). I just came back from seeing Matrix: Revolutions, since it opened today. I'll start off by saying that I was one of the relatively few supporters of the Matrix Reloaded. Many people didn't like it, but I thoroughly enjoyed all the questions it raised, no to mention the kung fu! It had awesome action scenes and it made us wonder for six months what was the truth about the Matrix and everything that revolves around it. Well as of today, the wait is over. And after seeing Revolutions, I can say that this was the most worthless wait for a movie I have ever experienced. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some good parts in Revolutions. But as a whole, I'm trying really hard to not call it a downright POS. Where's the kung fu? The only memorable action scene to me was the final fight between Neo and Smith. It felt a bit like Dragonball Z to me but it was great. But somehow, even though the movie is about 2 hours 10 minutes, it feels like they rushed into the scene. It felt out of place, because Smith hardly gets any screentime prior to it. I wish they didn't try to address Gloria Foster's death from a plot standpoint. But I will overlook the fact that the replacement actress didn't live up to the standards set by Gloria - that was to be expected. Yes, Revolutions does answer a lot of questions that were triggered in Reloaded. But the problem lies in those answers; they just plain suck. We were led to believe that Neo would cause a "cataclysmic system crash" because he chose the door to his left. So the question was, "how could this happen? How is Neo going to prevent the death of billions of people?" And the answer is something along the lines of "The architect just didn't know what he was talking about. There's no system crash." I'm gonna end it here for now and see what you guys have to say. Who knows, maybe some of you will have enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Wow... sounds like crap to me yet still it invites people to watch due to the "mystery element in your post. (Yay! I made a post for the first time in three months! Sorry no thread about it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu7 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I enjoyed the movie, but what i didn't get was the end, did Neo die or live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Standard disclaimer: spoilers below (if you've come this far I guess it's a little late to warn you off), maybe some pirates too, beware!! ARRR!!! I believe Neo died...and I also think that Mary Alice (new Oracle) could not have possibly lived up to Gloria Foster's (old Oracle) performance. Though, I did notice in my theater that many people did not understand what happened to the Oracle. I, having played Enter the Matrix several times through, knew that the Oracle had to change shells because the Merovingian wants her dead for some reason (something to do with the girl that was never fully explained and merely glossed over in the film). Changing shells must be a difficult thing to do because it seems that most of her memories were either lost or got jumbled up. Anyway, I am still confused on a few points and will probably have to go see it again to fully understand. And now for the pirates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetorian Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Wait a minute, you mean the end doesn't really have a conculsive end? They don't tell you if the machines die and Neo lives? What kind of ending is that? BTW - I thought there wasn't supposed to be a system crash. I thought the system only crashed if Neo took the right door and he took the left. I was sure it only crashed if Neo took the right door and then he would have to choose some people from the Matrix to help him start a new Zion. Also, what about the whole, Neo feeling the sentinals in the "real" world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherack Nhar Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by Praetorian Wait a minute, you mean the end doesn't really have a conculsive end? They don't tell you if the machines die and Neo lives? What kind of ending is that? BTW - I thought there wasn't supposed to be a system crash. I thought the system only crashed if Neo took the right door and he took the left. I was sure it only crashed if Neo took the right door and then he would have to choose some people from the Matrix to help him start a new Zion. Also, what about the whole, Neo feeling the sentinals in the "real" world? 1) Yes there is a conclusive end, but not the kind that you would expect. The machines and the humans end up simply making a truce and try to coexist. Which doesn't make sense; how can the humans possibly accept the fact that other humans are still grown and born in slavery by the machines?! The machines could not possibly survive without humans. At the end of Revolutions, the only difference with the situation at the start of the Matrix saga is that the machines will no longer harass the humans outside the Matrix; they will even free the minds of those who want out. It's a stretch; a BIG stretch. 2) No. According to the architect: - The door to the right leads to the source, where the cycle continues. By choosing this door, the path of the One ends as it's supposed to and Zion is annihilated by the machines, and then rebuilt with 16 females and 7 males (handpicked by the One from the Matrix). - The door to the left leads back to the Matrix, causing a "cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix". Coupled with the destruction of Zion, that would lead to the extinction of the entire human race. Neo chose the door to the left. 3) About Neo feeling the machines outside the Matrix: that's another "answer" that disappointed me greatly. Whereas the end of Reloaded spawned countless theories (the most popular one being that the machine world was still another Matrix, e.g. nested Matrices). It turns out that the Oracle gives this simple answer: "The powers of the One extends beyond the world of the Matrix". End of story *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetorian Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 ya know, I always thought the architect was a big fat lier. I guess I was right...or he just didn't know what he was talking about. one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishflesh Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 i told guys time after time that the matrix sequels are not that good... finaly you see it yourself up to matrix 4!!!! it's all about the monny .. and i don't think its funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherack Nhar Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by Praetorian one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did? There were no questionnable scenes in Reloaded. If you're talking about the tribal scene, it had its place in the movie; it had a purpose. So to me, it's not questionable at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 the effects were good. much better then the second one in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I think they knew that people will go see the movies whether it's good or not so they kind of didn't care about the quality of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by Praetorian one more question...did it have any more um...questionable scenes like reloaded did? If you're implying boobie shots... then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Always looking for boobs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Always looking for boobs... Can you blame the man? Err.. I mean uh.. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Always looking for boobs... He must look in the mirror an awful lot... [crowd of people]OOOHHHH!!! You TOTALLY dissed him!!![/crowd of people] Go away!! Quit following me!! stupid crowd of people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Homer He must look in the mirror an awful lot... [crowd of people]OOOHHHH!!! You TOTALLY dissed him!!![/crowd of people] Go away!! Quit following me!! stupid crowd of people.... They wouldn't perhaps be banging two halves of coconuts together while you walk, and singing merry tunes of your harrowing courage, would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Face it - they threw in the nakidness to get people to see it. End story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherack Nhar Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by STTCT Face it - they threw in the nakidness to get people to see it. End story. Hardly. It's not advertised in any way, and it's not in the trailers of TV spots. People didn't even know there was a sex scene until they actually saw it on screen. Or from word of mouth. If they wanted to put in a sex scene to sell, they would have done a much better job of it; you can't see anything. The sex scene in Zion was symbiotic with the dance. It had the exact same purpose, which is why it happened at the same time. It's not only about showing the emotions, but also to show that they are humans, organic beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by Chase Windu In Revolutions I remember seeing a woman without her top. That could be questionable but just take a look at where they are. I mean it's common to see stuff like that in that type of club. Not that I'd ever go to one of course. did you also see that she was getting her nipple twisted? but hey, thats what you would expect from directors who wear woman's underwear and are married to bi-sexuals. anyway... i enjoyed the film.. ok so it wasn't the big finale we may have expected. but then isn't war a means to peace? zion survived and there will no longer be agents running about trying to stop people from leaving the matrix. which gives the human race more freedom. knowing that the MMORPG is going to be set after revolutions we should have seen this sort of ending coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another_trooper Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by another_trooper The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . . yeah that was the only disappointment for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishflesh Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 i gess this weeks WTF = Matrix Revolutions ... just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by another_trooper The film was good and all, but in my opinion, too much of it happens outside the matrix, leaving no room for matrix action such as bizarre exagerated but still cool kung fu. . . well... duh. because smith basically turned everyone in the matrix into him. it'd be kinda dumb to go back to the matrix just to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young David Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 The movie was good ... but far from perfect. The first 50 minutes there's too much talk and too less action. After that you get the attack on Zion (Great scene ... higlight of the movie) and the super brawl with Neo Vs Smith. The action is okay ... but I missed scenes like the bullet time scenes in the first two movies. Storywise The movie scores pretty bad. Suddenly Neo can see without his eyes and even out of the Matrix he seems to be from Kryptonite. The movie fails to explain a lot of things. In Reloaded the Zion orgy was an unnecceserry and too long scene. It irritated me. This time Trinity's death irritated me a lot. Just die ... don't talk for 5 minutes about her death scene from Reloaded. I've never liked Trinity that much anyway. Revolutions is a good movie and has some great action. But I feel the movie is more backboned bu the hype than the story ... pitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niwid Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 My absolute fav part of the movie...when Neo and Trinity get off the train, on the wall of the station is an ad for Tastee Wheat! Either that or the whole dock battle sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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