Doomie Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt-Man Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 just the hobbit, the similarion was boring, even though i onyl read half the first book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 that's the point. As a book, it's very hard to read, very difficult. But as a movie, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--ZeeMan-- Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 there was a rumor floating around last year about jackson agreeing to undertake the hobbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver that's the point. As a book, it's very hard to read, very difficult. But as a movie, it's not. No. Difficult script results in dificult "video". They ain't gonna touch those books...if they do they're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I'll have to go and say no to silmarillion, maybe hobbit... Besides I think Tolkien wouldv'e liked to see hobbit as a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Just the Hobbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I aslo heard peter jackson was gonna make the hobbit into a movie... As for the Silmarillon, it simply cannot be turned into a movie. The stories span over thousands of years. It wouldn't be possible to make a movie under 5 hours long if you wanted to put everything in it. Plus it would never be as good as the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Originally posted by .:CoupeS:. Plus it would never be as good as the book. What movies are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Hobbit: Yes. Silmarillion: No Why? There is almost no dialog in the Silmarillion, it has literally thousands of characters, and spans several thousand years. It would be almost impossible to do it any justice without rendering it into an oversimplification of itself, or making it much longer than the LOTR movies were. The Hobbit as a screenplay almost writes itself. Many of the same props, sets, and effects from the LOTR series could be used again. Piece of cake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 Good points... but i hoped to be able to take knowledge of the silmarillion without actually reading the book Just look at the size o'the thing! Alright maybe i'm overeacting and should get the book... But the hobbit would make a good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 The silmarillon isn't really a big book... any of the LOTR trilogy is longer than the silmarillon. I do agree it isn't as easy to read because of the great number of characters and places and all their alternate names, but what you really need to do is every time you dont quit follow, refer to the glossary at the end of the book, it is very useful. Still if you really don't want to read it... or for personal knowledge... you could refer to The Encyclopedia of Arda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Heres an intresting thread that I remembered from awile back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 you shouldve split that poll up into Silmarillion OR Hobbit...... I think the Hobbitt's a done deal, as longs as they sort out the red tape side of it Silmarillion, has some excellent images and battles but the darn thing is so complex that itd be a nightmare to make into a film.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted June 25, 2004 Author Share Posted June 25, 2004 Silmarillion, has some excellent images and battles but the darn thing is so complex that itd be a nightmare to make into a film.... That's what they used to say about LOTR until they made a movie out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Heres an intresting thread that I remembered from awile back. as soon as i saw this thread i remembered posting that i would still like to see the hobbit made into either a mini-series or a movie. maybe after peter jackson has finished king kong they'll discuss it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver That's what they used to say about LOTR until they made a movie out of it... Yes, but LOTR has lots and lots of great dialog and a whole bunch of really well developed and complex characters. The Silmarillion doesn't. In order to make a movie of it a LOT of dialog would have to be invented pretty much from scratch, the character list would have to be stripped way back, and those that remain would have to fleshed out a lot better than Tolkien did in order for audiences to ever care about them. It could be done I guess,.. but it would be very difficult, and the results might not be recognizable as anything that Tolkien ever wrote in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 i'm torn on the silmarillion. On the one hand i actually think that it's "historical overview" structure might make it better for converting. No dialogue or anything to stick to, much more freedom. There are some great stories in there, and it would be nice to see them on screen. However the structure and timescale (no main plot, just a collection of stories) would make it very difficult to make a film from. I'd think that the best way to go about it would be a "Tales of Middle Earth" type mini-series. You could have gandalf reading and narrating the stories (to provide a link to the trilogy films, links between the stories and to smooth over some of the jumps). The only question would be whether they could afford the budget required. Think "The Storyteller" meets "Band of Brothers" meets LOTR trilogy. I'd think that the dvd sales alone would make it worthwhile though. If budget was a huge issue then maybe a clone wars style anime-meets- hand drawn animated series. maybe. Not sure. As for the hobbit, i'd think it would make a cool film, especially if it has the same team as the other films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MennoniteHobbit Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Hobbit says they should make the Hobbit! Seriously though, the Hobbit would make a better movie than the Silmarillion, because the book itself isn't 1000 pages long... They could concentrate on the quality easier. I hope we get to see Gollum (which we will if the Hobbit is made, I'm not sure about Silmarillion), just for the sole purpose of seeing him suffer without the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt-Man Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 the hobbit would be wicked, smaug,bard, the dwarves, and the whole dwarven war army thing would kick booty, t'would be sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Mennotnite hobbit, If you saw LOTR you also saw gollum. He's in all three movies, all of them without the ring. And he suffers from it. So consider your wish granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver Mennotnite hobbit, If you saw LOTR you also saw gollum. He's in all three movies, all of them without the ring. And he suffers from it. So consider your wish granted. I think he's referring to gollum actually losing the ring to Bilbo... now IIRC the Hobbit tale of events surrounding Bilbo's finding of the ring was revised in the prologue to FOTR. If theyre going to film it, I wonder which events they'll depict..... I hope its the latter, as it would compliment the LOTR films.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MennoniteHobbit Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 I think he's referring to gollum actually losing the ring to Bilbo... now IIRC the Hobbit tale of events surrounding Bilbo's finding of the ring was revised in the prologue to FOTR. If theyre going to film it, I wonder which events they'll depict..... I hope its the latter, as it would compliment the LOTR films.... mtfbwya Yes, and also I noted that we probably will, as it's the Hobbit. And not having read the Silmarillion, I'm not sure, if that book's made into a movie, if Gollum will be in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Originally posted by Curt-Man just the hobbit, the similarion was boring, even though i onyl read half the first book The SIlmarillion owns you. It's kind of difficult, yes, but boring, no. (IMO!!! ) Seriously though, the Hobbit would make a better movie than the Silmarillion, because the book itself isn't 1000 pages long... They could concentrate on the quality easier. The Silmarillion is closer to 300 pages And they're obviously going to make The Hobbit, it's capitalism, duh I hope they'll stay off the silmarillion though, but if they're going to do it, they could only make it into a BoB type miniseries... I'd actually like to see the Oath Of Fëanor on-screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Originally posted by Pie™ The SIlmarillion owns you. It's kind of difficult, yes, but boring, no. (IMO!!! ) Yes! Originally posted by Pie™ I'd actually like to see the Oath Of Fëanor on-screen That would be very nice. Also, how Beren stole the Silmaril from Morgoth would be cool. And Fingolfin's duel with Morgoth would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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