reelguy227 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 jumping off a building or hiring someone to kill me is murder and being an accomplice to murder.slipping of a building ,as in suicide ,is murder ,accidentally its not murder ,and id be happy to be with my Creator . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 if the countries are at war than people would die ,then they will go to their Creator a much better place than this ****hole of a planet.our goal is to get to heaven not to stay on this earth and have fun here. You do realize that you believe god made this planet? You do realize that you just said, god created a 4starhole of a planet? You do realize that you said by that that god made crap? You do realize that we shame god with a warlike behaviour, regardless of the reasons? You do realize that god surely want us to find non violent ways to solve our problems? You do realize that if god wanted us in heaven he wouldn't go detouring us over earth but would place us directly in heaven? I know you are know going to say "that we have to proof by our life on earth that we are worth to come to heaven". But then i just have to ask why all the stuff like billions of other galaxies and planets, why the "waste of resources" by making up a whole universe for one simple small planet as testing area for celestial aspirants, a heaven and a hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 no one knows Gods ways its His will not ours ,so stop asking me a stupid human compared to Him ,and ask Him that when yu see Him face to face when yu die.and ,this world wasnt a ****hole when He first made it ,it was a beautiful heaven like place ,but then Adam and Eve sinned ,and the downfall of the Human race started ,its just like Mary said at Akita Japan ,"if the sins of this world keep escalating ,God will incur His wrath on the world".and God will incur His wrath because we have hurt him in some supernatural way that we cant understand and never will with all of our sins ,yes our God is loving and Merciful but He is also a just one .im done ,debating and discussing for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 There was this movie with Robin Williams where they explained that if you suicide you go to hell. That movie had the most realistic heaven I've seen in a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 My friend told me about that movie. Actually. If u commit suicide, and believein God, you dont go to Hell. God will be dissapointed in you for wasting his gift of life, but if u are a christian, you still go to Heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Is there a way that i can believe in god and still will go to hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 well, its more complicated then believeing in God. 1. Admit you are a sinner and need Gods help to get to Heaven. 2. Belive that Jesus is God's son and died on the cross for our sins. 3. Confess your faith, tell others you are a Christian. it differs with various religions. I think with catholicism its different. And if you truly believe in God and stuff, then well, its debatable. some say, 'Once saved always saved' but others say you can fall from God and into other things like drugs and stuff then you have to be brought back. I'm not exactly sure, but I'd go with the second one, just because I dont want to take any chances wih my soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn My friend told me about that movie. Actually. If u commit suicide, and believein God, you dont go to Hell. God will be dissapointed in you for wasting his gift of life, but if u are a christian, you still go to Heaven Wait a sec, didn'y you say before that the jews are the chosen people? If they're the chosen people, then why only christians go to heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 well, it depends on what kind of Jew. If you are the kind of Jew that doesnt believe in Jesus, then you dont go, if you do believe in Jesu, you do go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn well, it depends on what kind of Jew. If you are the kind of Jew that doesnt believe in Jesus, then you dont go, if you do believe in Jesu, you do go. ... please tell me you aren't that thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith ... please tell me you aren't that thick. Couldn't say it better myself There isn't such a thing as a jewish person who believes in jesus. There isn't jesus in jeudism. By jeudism, the messiah haven't arrived yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 Not true. There is something called a Messianic Jew, and they believe in Jesus and all. They just follow many of the jewish traditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn Not true. There is something called a Messianic Jew, and they believe in Jesus and all. They just follow many of the jewish traditions. .... that's judao-christian. which is what you are, being a person that follows both the old and new testament. plus Messianic Jew's are not recognized as jews. Thusly your point is moot. and they don't call him jesus, but more rather by his Hebrew name Yeshua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I'll give my opinion on jesus. I believe that what jesus tried to do was simply to reform jeudism. He wanted it to be more about doing good things than giving gifts to god. Jesus didn't want to create christianity, jesus was jewish. He didn't think he was a Messiah. Chritians turned jesus into something else, and thus the circle of hate begun. So I don't blame jesus for christianity. If it wasn't him, it would be someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn well, its more complicated then believeing in God. 1. Admit you are a sinner and need Gods help to get to Heaven. 2. Belive that Jesus is God's son and died on the cross for our sins. 3. Confess your faith, tell others you are a Christian. If i do all the above mentioned and murder little kids, but follow those points exactly, where will i end up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by jack "odc" one. If i do all the above mentioned and murder little kids, but follow those points exactly, where will i end up? It depends. you can ask forgiveness and God will know if you TRUELY mean it with all your heart and soul. If you either dont ask forgiveness or don't mean it, you go to hell. But I haven't been paying much attention to the thread, if you are meaning what religion you would be, I'd say you created a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU It depends. you can ask forgiveness and God will know if you TRUELY mean it with all your heart and soul. If you either dont ask forgiveness or don't mean it, you go to hell. But I haven't been paying much attention to the thread, if you are meaning what religion you would be, I'd say you created a new one cool *goes on a killing spree* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by tFighterPilot cool *goes on a killing spree* I think God knows if your just screwing around with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU I think God knows if your just screwing around with him That has NOT been proven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Neither has the existance of God, but we still think he exists. ( we meaning us Christians ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU Neither has the existance of God, but we still think he exists. ( we meaning us Christians ) So you're religious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by tFighterPilot So you're religious? Yep. But of course im 14 and probably still have alot to learn about Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 How can you believe in something when, unlike that idiot over there, understand that it has so much problems to exist? EDIT: I wrote I instaed of how. Give me a break, my baby sister was crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Bad grammar, I dont understand what you said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieStarWarsGeek Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU But of course im 14 and probably still have alot to learn about Christianity. And about other religions, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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