ronbrothers Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 A thought about whether or not Tatooine was part of the Empire... I've not read anything definative (EU or other), but it is conceivable that it could have been part of the Empire by the time of episode 4. Before the fall of the Republic it is clear that it was not. But I'm not so sure that it would have remained so after the rise of the Empire. I equate the Outer Rim to third world countries. The Empire would have little interest in micro managing those worlds, but would not resist the temptation to grab them and tax them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 ^^^^^^ Yeah, thats about the same conclusion that I had drawn. An Empire would be assumed to be imperialistic, so it is likely that they would take control of these areas. Especially considering that there was so much anti-Empire feelings in the outer rim. Why would they care so much about what happened in the Republic/Empire unless one was a threat to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Solo Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 You know clone troopers aren't very clever. They were not as long as other people in school. So the empire has to take normal people for officers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 From the official StarWars.com Databank: http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/tatooine/index.html Tatooine rests in the distant Outer Rim, beyond the reaches of Republic and Imperial law. The Outer Rim planets aren't part of the Empire. The Empire only controls the Core planets, as the Republic did. Tatooine is still controlled by the Hutts. When we see Imperials patrolling on Tatooine in ANH, that's the same as the U.S. having troops deployed in countries all around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primalunderdog Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Originally posted by Revan Solo You know clone troopers aren't very clever. They were not as long as other people in school. So the empire has to take normal people for officers! thats not true,they were just as smart as there host,they were just always in a combat state,bred for combat.They were pretty smart,just all they cared about was war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Originally posted by primalunderdog thats not true,they were just as smart as there host Umm, no, they were as smart as they were taught to be. When you clone someone their memory is not copied too. Just genetics. If a clone was as smart as its host, there would be baby Jangos running around shooting people, flying on jetpacks, and collecting bounties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 I agree. All that was copied was Jango's genetic potential. The rest was up to the training and the experiences gained by each individual clone from his test tube creation day/birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 As far as Tatooine is concerned, it's definately not part of the Republic, at least not during TPM. Shmi says "the Republic doesn't exist out here" (in reply to Padme's statement about the Republic's anti-slavery laws that conflict with the presence of slaves on Tatooine). Additionally Panaka says that the planet is "controlled by the Hutts" referring to them as "gangsters." Now there are corrupt politicians in the Senate, for example, but Panaka's statements again support the idea that Tatooine is not a part of the Republic proper. As to the Empire, good analogy about US troops being stationed all over the world, not just in official parts of the US. Also recall though that the United States isn't just all "States." There are also districts, commonwealths, protectorates and territories, each with varying degrees of independance/sovereignty and "privelage" (vs. States). So like you have Gaum, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, etc. etc. Now, here's a bit of info that I discovered recently about Tatooine in the Empire... On the "Behind the Magic" CD-ROM (released in 1998 by LucasArts) there are some deleted scenes from ANH featured. One of these is of Luke talking with his friends at Anchorhead (is that 'Toschi Station,' that he was whining about earlier? not sure) and they are looking through some macrobinoculars (Luke spotted the "battle" between Leia's ship and the Star Destroyer from earlier in the film). In that scene one of Luke's friends (Fixer?) says "I doubt the Empire would even fight to save the system" because Tatooine is "a big hunk of nothing." Now that MIGHT imply that Tatooine actually IS part of the Empire, but it's so remote and unimportant (perhaps like some colony or other category of possession) that the Empire doesn't consider it a priority. They might even allow criminals to run things for the most part. Such things aren't without precedent in real history. Now that is a deleted scene, so you'll say "it's not canon." However, if I'm not mistaken the scene is also featured in the official screenplay of Star Wars, as well as in the novelisation, both of which are G-Level canon. So... it should still count for something. Incidentally, even if you don't have BTM you can find various clips like the one I mentioned above at various fan sites (in varying quality) if you know where to look. Sites like JediNet iirc. PS: Not that this is by any means certain, but if you just assumed that Kamino kept producing clones for the Republic at their current rate, they'd have made only two more batches by the time of ANH, for a total of 3.6 million soldiers. Of course (assuming all survived), roughly one third of those would be the equivalent of 60 year old men (like Obi-Wan in ANH), another third (2nd batch) would be equivalent to men in their 40's, with the final third (latest batch) just ripe at their "ready" age, more or less. *imagines Luke & Co. being chased by senior citizen Stormies on the Death Star* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Well, StarWars.com says Tatooine isn't part of the Empire, so... Welcome back from... where ever you've been for ever, Kurgan! You're just not you without your avatar though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I thought a change was in order, you don't like it? Same mug, different angle/lightning. ; ) I was on vacation, now I'm home sick with a cold. ; p As for StarWars.com, they have been known to make mistakes.... from time to time.... oh dear oh dear oh dear... So I'd appreciate seeing another source for verification! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I hate the idea of clones... boba being a clone, and the troopers being clones.. it takes away from it all. All those years I thought Boba was some elite mandelorian master... and now... hes just a genetic copy. That sucks. The imperial's finest; stormtroopers, just copies. As for the stormtroopers (my own theory) I think they used stormtroopers for a while, but then they started phasing them out.... as new recruits became available. As stated before, there were several Imperial Academys. Even Kyle Katarn and Han Solo both signed up and worked for the Empire (im not sure if they were stormtroopers). Kyle joined one of their Acadamies. About Tatooine, I don't think either side controls it. Its a barren wasteland... who would want it. But even so, we know the Empire's presence was there, because of ANH... they had to have some kind of authority to stop speeders and do searches so perhaps the Empire had some kind of control of the planet. After all, the Empire was the main government of the Galaxy at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Monkey11 Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 not all of them,some of them are aliens,humens,some rebel traidors.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 not all of them,some of them are aliens,humens,some rebel traidors.. All Stormtroopers are human. About 75% of them are clones. And Tatooine is controlled by the Hutts. The Empire having power there is like how the U.S. has bases all around the world, like in Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 PS: Not that this is by any means certain, but if you just assumed that Kamino kept producing clones for the Republic at their current rate, they'd have made only two more batches by the time of ANH, for a total of 3.6 million soldiers. Of course (assuming all survived), roughly one third of those would be the equivalent of 60 year old men (like Obi-Wan in ANH), another third (2nd batch) would be equivalent to men in their 40's, with the final third (latest batch) just ripe at their "ready" age, more or less. *imagines Luke & Co. being chased by senior citizen Stormies on the Death Star* Heh, well that would explain things such as their horrable shooting. But as for clones or not, the Republic didn't have a joint standing army ready to be set into action. 3.6 million after 20-30 years, 1/3 of them being way too old troopers, spread out over millions of lightyears, simply arn't enough to keep control over the galaxy. And if you factor in several star destroyers being in active war duty, not just patrol duty, and assuming the active ones have their full compliment of troopers onboard (9000), with 25000 star destroyers around the galaxy that would mean they would only be able to fill 400 of those with troops (if you put them all on the ships that is). And if the TIE pilots truely are clones aswell, this would lower the number even more, as each star destroyer should have it's full compliment of fighters at all times. It just wouldn't be sufficient I believe. Sure, the Empire had a regular army aswell by the time of ANH to supplement the stormtrooper divisions, but I still think it wouldn't be enough. They probably used regular people over time for the Stormtrooper divisions. About Tatooine, I don't think either side controls it. Its a barren wasteland... who would want it. But even so, we know the Empire's presence was there, because of ANH... they had to have some kind of authority to stop speeders and do searches so perhaps the Empire had some kind of control of the planet. After all, the Empire was the main government of the Galaxy at that time. Well, they didn't control the entire galaxy, by the time of TPM they hadn't even explored the entire galaxy yet, not that was documented atleast. But it was probably the biggest government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 lol thats funny im new at this i dont know how to post that.can you tell me how to do that plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Please ignore Darth_Monkey11, he's been spamming the boards lately, I must have missed this post. richie, I suggest you read the FAQ to get more information on how to use the forums. I didn't quite get your question, but I did understand it was about Readin and Posting Messages, so read on... and welcome to LucasForums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa_0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 The Hutts is over Tatioone, it is part of the Hutt owned worlds. Also on the Clone/Storm Trooper thing, after the Clone Wars ended the cloning program pretty much ceased and the Imperial Amry started recruiting real people for there army. The officers was appart of the Republic Army before the clones, and I believe they and the Jedi was put over the clones to be commanders of the clone army. After the Jedi was gone the commanders had full control, but still had to report back to the emperor himself. On the Boba origin note, I think it is fine how George did it in Episode II. I still would have liked the idea of Boba killing Mace in Ep3. It would have presented more of a closure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Zappa you should have read the thread first, because we've already established that the vast majority of Stormtroopers are clones. After the Clone Wars, the cloning program underwent a massive expansion. This is said in the SW.com Databank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrelvis Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 doesn't leia hint at the 'clone-ness' of the stormtroopers when she asks luke if he's "too small" to be one? On the contrary, my friend... It implies a standard for recruited troopers. If stormtroopers had a single height, she would be sure he wasn't a stormtrooper, but no, she wasn't sure, she just found it strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 On the contrary, my friend... It implies a standard for recruited troopers. If stormtroopers had a single height, she would be sure he wasn't a stormtrooper, but no, she wasn't sure, she just found it strange... I would not say that there was a single height, but a minimal height... (As in a true Army) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I think you people analyze too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Not enough, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hansen Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Yo People, The Movies Tell It All, All The Clones Turned Bad Because Darth Sidious Privately Broadcasted Order 66 to Commander Cody So Darth Vader and Emperor Sidious Became In Control of This Massive Army You Know What Im Saying, All That's Happened Is Darth Vader and Emperor Sidious Hired Some Smart Ass Officers To Run $hit and Engineers to Build $hit and The Costumes have Changed to Darth Vader's Liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Clones weren't turned bad... They just obeyed to the Republic, symbolized by the Supreme Chancellor. Moreover, you said Sidious gave Order 66 to Commander Cody and so, get the command of the Clone Army : That's wrong ! Palpatine always had the control of this army, and Cody wasn't the only ARC trooper belonging to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Cody wasn't the only ARC trooper belonging to it... Cody's not an ARC Trooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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