ET Warrior Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch the posibility of dying definately should not instill panic in the peoples Perhaps it SHOULD not, but everyone knows that it DOES. Humans as a collective are a very skittery bunch. Nobody WANTS to die, and typically if a group of people are presented with the fact that they're probably going to die the end result is almost ALWAYS going to be panick. the government knows this and exploited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 i will agree that collectively, people are a stupid bunch, i believe tommy lee jones said it best"a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it" but i don't think that the gov;t "exploited this" we would have been thoroughly pissed if something happened and nobody was told. i mean, when there were claims that thr govt knew about 9-11 there was un uproar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 But instead of trying to keep us calm, the government said "OH NOES WE ARE GOIGN TO BE ATTACKED!!!!" people who are afraid are a lot easier to control than people who are rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 hmm, seems like a lose lose situation we have ourselves here, sooo, i say we all move to norway:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 I'm goin to Canada, all they do is drink beer and play hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 yay, hockey!!! seriously though, i would much rather the gov't say"WE ARE GOING TO BE ATTACKED" and have it not be true than have them not say anthing and have it be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch hmm, seems like a lose lose situation we have ourselves here, sooo, i say we all move to norway:D Yes,make sure to tell me when you guys (and gals) come over, and I'll meet you guys (and gals ) at the airport. On another note: "WOLF, WOLF!" We all know how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 you are in norway?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 HOLY CRAP!!! HOLY CRAP!!! runs around excitedly in circles, then pees pants in excitement aww well, at least pants are optional:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanna_solo Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 i got a canada hockey shirt from my mom and dad when they came back from canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Stick to debating please, it's much more fun Here's my view on the alert levels you guys have in the US... Basically it's only there to install and maintain the the population in a state of constant fear... And as it's been mentionned before, scared people are much easier to control. These alers serve absolutely no other purpose and I challenge anyone to give me a good use for them... (except the government's uses). Even if you knew very well that your country was gonna be attacked, there is absolutely nothing you can do but pray if you beleive in some iteration of a god. The fact that the president sais this day was a red day, will not, and this may come as a surprise to some of you, prevent anything from happening, nor will it pocure any of you with anymore security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 With regaard to Kerry and Bush, I have already voted for Kerry. W is an absolute imbecile. His presidency is a case study in how not to run the country, from his fumbling diplomacy, to his vacant math skills in balancing the budget, to his theocratically hampered judgement on research, to his outright hostility to environmental conservation, to his narrowminded stubbornness. I despise him and all his kind for their elitist servitude to their rich and powerful backers, all at the expense of everyone else. And what nearly makes me as sick as that there is almost half of this country that can't see all of these unacceptable flaws in his charcter and actually want to reelect him. Why I ask? What has he done to deserve to stay on the job? He certainly hasn't made us more safe, for his actions in Iraq are bin Laden's wet dream as a recruiting tool. He certainly hasn't improved the economy or balanced the budget, for his charge-and-spend fiscal policy has forced the government to take out hundreds of billions of dollars in loans to finance tax cuts for the richest 1% of the nation, people for which the tax cut had no effect on their standards of living. The only thing he can claim during his presidency is that he's invaded not one, but two countries. And one of them was on entirely false pretenses. I ask you this - what worse sin is there for a president, but than to lead his country falsely into war? I'll answer for you - there is none. That is the cardinal sin, and he's committed it with glee. To reelect W, is to let a small child play with a loaded gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Damn straight Vagabond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Originally posted by coupes. Here'S my view on the alert levels you guys have in the US... Basically it's only there to intall and maintain the the population in a state of constant fear... It doesn't even do that. I don't know of anyone who thinks anything of it when the terror alert changes. My only thought on what it might do is make people feel like they are doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin I don't know of anyone who thinks anything of it when the terror alert changes. then why do we have drills at school incase of terrorist attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 hmm, first things first, nobody i have ever talked to has been in a terrorist attack drill. and two, fire drills and things of that sort are not there to instill fear, they are merely somethign do do in case of fire, earthquake, etc. nobody gets scared of fires etc because o them. Same goes for these terrorist drills, they are simply something to do in case of an attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 The problem with your analogy, Lieutenant_kettch, is that during a fire / tornado drill, people know what to do - they practice some procedure, and then when the real thing happens, they know what to do. With the terror alert, there's no drill to practice - it's just, "wow, it went from yellow to orange - hmmm, I'll be extra suspiscious today" - whatever that means. Unless the alert levels are associated to some specific, clearly, defined procedures, they are meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 i wasn't speaking of the terror alert levels i was speaking of the drills where schools react to a terrorist potential attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch i was speaking of the drills where schools react to a terrorist potential attack yeah, but the thing is Fire Drills actually help. The terror attack drills they just turn out the lights, lock the room door, and have the students line up against the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith then why do we have drills at school incase of terrorist attacks? Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch nobody i have ever talked to has been in a terrorist attack drill. That would be my answer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith yeah, but the thing is Fire Drills actually help. The terror attack drills they just turn out the lights, lock the room door, and have the students line up against the wall. and how doesn't that help? lets say the school is taken hostage, etc. turning out the lights prevents them from seeing in, locking the door prevents them from coming in(or out, in the case of children), and standing against the wall prevents them from seeing the people of they manage to see in...(in all these cases, prevents is used as a synonym for "helps avoid") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 what's to stop the person from shooting the lock on the door and getting in? Or breaking through the windows? and if they bomb the place, it all goes to ****, kids standing along the wall does nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 It's like back during the cold war they had drills where kids would get under their desks in case of a nuclear attack. Does that do anything to save them? No. Does it constantly remind them that they could die from a nuclear bomb at any moment? Yes. Same thing with a terrorist drill. And with the warning levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBuzzard Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior It's like back during the cold war they had drills where kids would get under their desks in case of a nuclear attack. Does that do anything to save them? No. Does it constantly remind them that they could die from a nuclear bomb at any moment? Yes. Same thing with a terrorist drill. And with the warning levels. Exactly. We have the same thing in the form of "Lockdown" drills which are also applied if some criminal invades as well. Origianally posted by Lieutenant_kettchand how doesn't that help? lets say the school is taken hostage, etc. turning out the lights prevents them from seeing in, locking the door prevents them from coming in(or out, in the case of children), and standing against the wall prevents them from seeing the people of they manage to see in...(in all these cases, prevents is used as a synonym for "helps avoid") And what's to stop a terrorist from shooting through the doors/locks, or just blowing up the room with a grenade or something, killing us all? In case you haven't noticed, terrorists are very determinted. (sorry for the overquoted material, I had to use most to make the post; mods, feel free to edit the quoted materials.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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