TK-8252 Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Originally posted by Piece of metal Nice...Want a cookie? Thank you. *Munch* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoM Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I...Whatever. This thread is brainwashing me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by Doomie Kurgan, I'm not sure about most things, but it has already been pointed out that blasters are about the only thing that's able to penetrate stormtrooper armor, and blaster definatly do more damage than bullets. Han nearly took down the ceiling of the docking bay on mos eisley when he fired at the stormies... Also, i thought we already decided on this matter? That's a whole 'nother can of worms (what can "penetrate" stormtrooper armor). In the scene of Docking Bay 94, the issue is confused by the issue of the Falcon's guns (the editing in the scene makes me think that it's not just Han firing those explosive shots that demolish portions of the bay area). A better example is in the scenes of Cloud City fire fights that leave large burning holes in the walls. The trouble is that Leia's arm is shot by a Stormtrooper in ROTJ and "it's not bad." She's injured and can't move very much without pain until the end of the film, and Han's hands come away bloody from tending her wound, but still. One could argue that some of the energy from the shot was "difused" by the side of the bunker she was leaning against, but some give the argument that this is proof of "power levels" for blasters (the Trooper was losing a low level energy shot because he wanted to wound rather than kill, I guess forgetting all about the "stun" setting... then again, lowering the power level to "conserve ammo" might make sense, assuming such a thing can be applied to blaster rifles at all). Then we have Luke's robotic arm having a little hole burned into it, which was pretty superficial. Then again, maybe the cybernetics of his hand are just really hardened against blasters. But then if the "true power" of every shot is the same, why wasn't Greedo's body vaporized, or splattered all over the cantina, when Han Solo shot him TWICE at point blank range? This is not quite so difficult to explain as the apparent "power levels" and differing effects of lightsaber damage, but still a bit tricky, while maintaining suspension of disbelief! Stronger than bullets? Yes. But a 21st century Earth assault rifle or minigun would still have its uses in the SW universe, one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by Kurgan Leia's arm is shot by a Stormtrooper in ROTJ and "it's not bad." She's injured and can't move very much without pain until the end of the film, and Han's hands come away bloody from tending her wound, but still. One could argue that some of the energy from the shot was "difused" by the side of the bunker she was leaning against, but some give the argument that this is proof of "power levels" for blasters (the Trooper was losing a low level energy shot because he wanted to wound rather than kill, I guess forgetting all about the "stun" setting... then again, lowering the power level to "conserve ammo" might make sense, assuming such a thing can be applied to blaster rifles at all). Basically, the Imperial troops were not allowed to kill any of the heros - not just by script immunity, but by Vader's order. So we can assume that the Stormtrooper set his blaster on some sort of low-damage setting. Why not just use stun? Maybe the stun blasts don't have as long a range or something. Remember the trooper was a good distance from the bunker. Originally posted by Kurgan But then if the "true power" of every shot is the same, why wasn't Greedo's body vaporized, or splattered all over the cantina, when Han Solo shot him TWICE at point blank range? Actually Han's first shot misses! I started and stopped the DVD very slowly, and sure enough, Han's first shot indeed misses. By the time Han's second shot is fired, the first shot has already gone past Greedo. And when they show the dummy Greedo "blow up," the second shot has just hit. Amazing, even Han can miss at point-blank range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 LoL, that's great. ; ) I wonder who got hit by that shot (Super Special Edition shows the huge explosion and bar patrons flying everywhere from the missed shots; sort of like what happened to all the shots that missed Queen Amidala's ship when they were escaping Naboo in TPM. Did those shots blow up some houses on the surface? LoL!). Vader's order was just "and bring his companions to me" wasn't it? That doesn't necessarily mean "bring Leia Organa, Han Solo and Chewbacca to me alive" it could simply be interpreted as the arrest of the rebel Commando Team (which we saw). Once the fighting began, killing the rebels in self defense would seem justifiable. After all, the Emperor & Vader were really only concerned about Luke for their purposes (Vader didn't even know that Leia was his daughter until well into his duel with Luke, remember). But then who knows how the ROE were interpreted by the Imperials themselves. Nobody was ever actually brought to Vader, except Luke, who turned himself in without a fight. As far as the discipline of Stormtroopers, well what can I say? Though if I were a Stormie, I wouldn't mind a power setting that would take a Rebel out so they couldn't shoot two of my buddies even after being hit! Choke by Vader or shot by wounded Rebel... decisions, decisions! As to the distance of the trooper from the bunker, I am not sure the exact range. There's only one canonical usage of stun and it was at least from a meter away (if not more, I didn't have a measuring stick with me). Somebody with more time on their hands than me can figure this one out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Originally posted by Kurgan As far as the discipline of Stormtroopers, well what can I say? Though if I were a Stormie, I wouldn't mind a power setting that would take a Rebel out so they couldn't shoot two of my buddies even after being hit! Choke by Vader or shot by wounded Rebel... decisions, decisions! i doubt that the discipline of stormtroopers was low since stormtroopers almost kill themselfs compared to the rebels and with that cind off dicsipline when they wouldent disobey Vader either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 The Stormtroopers are pretty disciplined, except a few of them on the Death Star. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Hansen Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 :newbie:S They Don't Use REAL guns because lasers do way more damage and they are COLORFUL too and Its the Future they dont need lead, lead was problably pennies compared to kick ass burning lasers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Why did you feel you needed to revive this dead thread from last year? You've done it 3 times already today. Please read the rules again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I don't think blaster bolts travel at the speed of light. If they did, they would impact instantly, and the Jedi would have to move FASTER THAN LIGHT in order to block them! And how could you ever miss with them?? Try dodging your friend's laser pointer sometime... Blasters can make sense even if they're "no more deadly than bullets" (or faster) if they have special properties for penetrating shields or damaging equipment. We've seen people survive blaster hits, and Imp officers without armor aren't instantly blown apart or burned to a cinder when shot. I figure the blaster might be a rail gun that launches a "bottled" explosive luminous gas or something. That's just a random guess, and not official. Whatever it is, it's not a laser beam as we understand them in our universe. Maybe this has been "decided" but people keep bringing it up, so I'm just throwing out ideas here. Feel free to disagree. Sorry, couldn't resist making one more post. Don't lock it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's easy to dodge a laser pointer... just make sure your friend has really bad aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Kurgan, we went through all that before. Basically there's what really happens in the Star Wars universe, and what they have to do to make the events coherent to the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Ah, so you blame it all on 'suspension of disbelief'! As I suspected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 You gotta blame it all on suspended disbelief. Everything fantasy is suspended disbelief. Example: In Vampire the Masqurade it flat out says a Vampire's bodily fluids are ALL replaced with blood. All! ALL!!! Tears, sweat, 'secretions from the midsections', ect. Yet, their saliva and the whites of their eyes are still normal? The book flat out says 'suspended disbelief'. Its just a fact of unfact...or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 What Kain said, sometimes you just gotta go with the flow. It's not like anything in Star Wars is overly retarded that it's impossible to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I would almost say the Death Star is an impossibility, but with the damage nuclear weapons can do, its only a matter of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I would almost say the Death Star is an impossibility, but with the damage nuclear weapons can do, its only a matter of time...So you're saying that nuclear weapons in some way contribute to making an armored space station? I'm pretty sure the Death Star uses lasers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I think he means something along the lines of their evolution as a weapon. At some point nuclear power may be used to create super lasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Either way, it isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why not? We already have lasers, it's only a matter of time before we find ways to create a big enough power source to create super lasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 We'd need a planet to test it on. And I don't think many people would be happy if we blew up one of the planets. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why not? We already have lasers, it's only a matter of time before we find ways to create a big enough power source to create super lasers. Like a fusion reactor. The theory is known, prototypes been made, we just lack enough power to ignite it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why not? We already have lasers, it's only a matter of time before we find ways to create a big enough power source to create super lasers.I never said we couldn't (though I do have doubts), I'm just saying we wouldn't. Seriously, everyone's afraid of nuclear wars and crap that most likely will never happen, but do you realize if we did create a laser like that, firing at anything could threaten the world (especially if it doesn't work right)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Well the thought of nuclear war hasn't stopped anyone from making more stockpiles. At this rate the US alone could destroy the earth 17 times over, I hardly find it believable that they wouldn't make a super laser if they coulud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The way you make it sound, it sounds like you think the USA wants to destroy the world. Now BEFORE MAKING ANY STUPID JOKES OR TRYING TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK BAD, that's obviously not true, and we're smart enough to not make a laser that powerful just for kicks or due to war, considering it could easily destroy the world. I mean, if we're really desperate and have to resort to something really big, we go to nuclear missiles, but I don't think it's gonna get any more serious than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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