Jabba The Hunt Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Apparently Christmas can no longer be called Christmas within the town of Stoke on Trent (England), such a name may upset ethnic minorities and religious groups say the local council, so they have Renamed it to Winterfest. I'm starting to think that Christainity is no longer considered a Religion. We wish you a merry Winterfest, we wish you a merry Winterfest, we wish you a merry Winterfest and a Happy New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 i swear, europeans attitudes toward religion can be downright disgusting. nothing personal against anyone here, but i've enountered way too many brits who would just as soon **** all over your religion as give you the time. It seems all they care about is "footy" and booze. yes, i realize these are gross generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 that's ****ing stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 you should come to ex-west-germany, ikhnaton. a lot of religious crap there. i also think the spirit of christmas is long gone. i mean. "what did you get? - i got nernerner - what did you get? - oh i got ranaranarana." bah. and the best thing is the shop, your friend. "buygive now, pay later" tse. and i can buy christmas stuff since september this year. the supermarket is complete stuffed with this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 i got ranaranarana for christmas last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 of course you got. but is it the special japan purpledeergreen edition? huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildstar Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 To use a liberalism, Jabba, thanks for sharing. Just another example of PC that disturbs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Does just changing the name really make a difference? Deeply pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Yeah im really starting to think that Christian white non-disabled males have no rights anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadPilot Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 I think you might all be over reacting just a bit. Even as an atheist I find this slightly stupid, but to be fair, no one is going to stop people calling it Christmas if they want to. It's not like your freedoms are being taken away. Whereas most Christians seem quite happy to think that their choice of religion grants them license to dictate who can and can't be married. Lets keep things in perspective here. Politically correct nonsense like this will never become law, while a ban on gay marriage in the US seems ever more likely. Think about it, which is worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Well im not really bothered if gay men do get married, but its not something i agree with or would support (but I agree in personal freedoms so there we go). I was just saying that generally when people are worrying about offending people, its the minorities that they worry about, not those in the majority. I'm all for ethnic diversity but this sort of stuff breeds the complete opposite, by being PC people draw attention to the differences between cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Originally posted by MadPilot IThink about it, which is worse? Depends on who you are, what your beliefs are, and, apparently, what continent you are from. Lemme guess, you hate George W. Bush, too, right? The thing about the liberals is that through their efforts, the beliefs of conservatives and anyone else who holds strong beliefs slowly but surely get whittled away and watered down. If they can change the name of Christmas, then the emphasis is taken off Christ, and thus it gets watered down. Do this for long enough and people will eventually forget. There are people out there, and don't be fooled into thinking there aren't, whose mission in life is to rid the world of anything religious. Halloween has already lost its religious significance, and Easter is pretty damn near secularized. Christmas seems to be the last bastion of hope and the liberals have been after it for decades. And the whole idea of Christians "trying to tell others who they can and can't marry" is just ridiculous liberal bull****. First of all, you CAN'T marry anyone you want in any civilized society. You can't marry your sister or your first cousin or your mother or your aunt, etc. You can't marry your dog or horse or sheep no matter how many Scotsman want to. And you can't marry a person of the same sex. It is a category mistake. The definition of marriage, by its nature, excludes same sex "unions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondas Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 "Upset an ethnic minority" ????? why would an ethnic minority be upset about a majority religious celebration ??? Imagine some christians in an Islamic country. Why should they be upset about Ramazan[sp?] ? They'll probably won't give a rat's *** about it and rightfully so ! Of course they have to respect it but be upset or offended by it ??? I just don't get it... As a citizen of the EU and Greece , let me wish to you all Merry Christmas !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Well, I suppose a debate on religion and ethics is one way to try to resuscitate this dead place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 yeah fondas you got it in one, people are far too concerned about offending others these days. What they havn't learnt is that its the meaning behind the words which is important not the words themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 *No... I won't get sucked in to this discussion.... I won't... ARRRGH!!!!* Originally posted by Ikhnaton If they can change the name of Christmas, then the emphasis is taken off Christ, and thus it gets watered down. Do this for long enough and people will eventually forget. You mean this hasn't already happened? As long as I have been alive I have heard people decrying the secularization and commercialism of Christmas, and that it has already lost much of it's original meaning. On the one hand, I'm with Keyan: renaming it is a silly action; and one that ultimately will prove nothing in the end. Just because the Government tells you to call it something other than Christmas doesn't mean that anybody is actually going to do it. Are they actually going to enforce it? Arresting anyone who dares call it by it's traditional name in public? If not, then it's a merely symbolic victory, and a waste of time all around... so in the end what was the point? You can tell me that from now on I have to call roses "Dung Blossoms" but if there's to be no consequences if I don't, then why should I? On the other hand: A rose by any other name... (see above) Many of the traditions currently observed at Christmastime have origins that predate Christ and Christianity by thousands of years, and were part of the Roman winterfeast called Saturnalia ( http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/holidays/christmas/real2.html ) but were later adopted by Christians. If the traditions of a pagan celebration once called by a different name can have meaning to modern Christians under the name of Christmas, then why should any of that change if we call it something else? Ike: As a card-carrying Massachusetts liberal (and still, despite everything, proud of that fact ) I have to take a bit of exception to the way you have characterized my motives. I have no desire to remove anybody's strongly-held personal beliefs or freedoms... I DO, however, wish to make sure that the beliefs of the majority don't steamroll right over what the some in the minority might belive, perhaps just as strongly. You have your beliefs, that's great, please practice them to your hearts content... but I also have mine, and I just want to make sure that you don't have the power to try to enforce your belief system over mine, despite the fact that it might be a bit contradictory to yours and you have majority power behind you. Actually, it seems to me that ultimately we just really want the same thing: to be left alone to do what we want to do as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. It just strikes me that there's a lot in common there. However, how we define "hurting someone else" seems to be where the problems really begin. Personally, if two men, total strangers to me, decide they want to get married to each other, I can't see how that affects my life at all whatsoever. I'm living in a state where this has been going on for most of the year, and my life really hasn't been affected in any way that I can detect in that time. So I say, "Why not?" Doesn't change my day to day life in the least... and if it makes other people happy (who are going to live in that manner anyway despite how any of us feel about it) why stand in thier way? All that being said: Renaming Christmas isn't a cause that I personally would ever take up... it's really just ridiculous and has been shown the proper distain in this thread. Just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildstar Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I posted a link to this thread on the Cantina and it has sparked quite a debate there. Rancor's posts are interesting since he, apparently, is from the area in question (or at least is a Brit who has been following the story in the local media where he is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 This is our discussion. I don't want to involve other forums. please don't post links to this thread anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Originally posted by Fondas "Upset an ethnic minority" ????? why would an ethnic minority be upset about a majority religious celebration ??? Because if anyone is even perceived as being even maybe having the slight possibility of there being a minor chance of the likelihood of being subjected the majority in an indirect manner, everyone has to suffer. I'm not sure where we went wrong. People used to just, I dunno, ignore things more I guess. I never hear about Orthodox people being all "You guys can't have Christmas now because ours is later!!!!!!!!!@" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondas Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt yeah fondas you got it in one, people are far too concerned about offending others these days. What they havn't learnt is that its the meaning behind the words which is important not the words themselves. Jabba , that was beautiful mate ! Nute buddy, it's Easter not Christmas that we celebrate on different dates ( a week later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Are you Greek Orthodox, Fondas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondas Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Yes I am PS: Keyan , it's really good to "see" you again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 Thanks fondas I do try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by Fondas Yes I am PS: Keyan , it's really good to "see" you again ! Interesting. I have always wanted to attend an Eastern Catholic or Orthodox liturgy. From what I have read, it would be quite an experience. But there aren't many opportunities for that around where I live. In fact, I don't think I've ever met someone in person who was any kind of Orthodox. And it's good to "see" you again as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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