Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I thought this is right in a poetic way, our country that has left religion so far behind, I am not really religious or anything but it sounded? right. ____________________________ New School Prayer. Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Religion has been disallowed in schools to support unity. Trying to get rid of whatever may stimulate different groups etc in school. You can have your religion everywhere else, they're not trying to kill it. I'm sure God will change that rule some day. Or Allah, or Visjnoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 that's a cool poem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 I realize that religion creates friction among different groups, but it does seem to be odd when it is more appropriate to tell teenagers to use condoms and then say that you can?t pray aloud or say the pledge of allegiance because it has the word God in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 "Dear god, why do you allow crazy people to come into our schools and shoot everybody? a concernced student." "Dear concerned student, because i'm not allowed in schools. God." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I've always wondered why religious people want to pray in school anyways. I mean, God is omnipotent and all knowing. He'll know if you're just thinking your prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 out of curiousity, but shouldn't this be in the senate chambers??? anyway, they can stop public prayer all they want, but it won't stop kids from praying in school. I've always wondered why religious people want to pray in school anyways. I mean, God is omnipotent and all knowing. He'll know if you're just thinking your prayers. true, but there's more signifigance if things are spoken instead of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior I've always wondered why religious people want to pray in school anyways. I mean, God is omnipotent and all knowing. He'll know if you're just thinking your prayers. --d-i-e-- Right, but prayer is also an act towards God. It's not just for asking or thanking God for something. It is an act of thankfulness/obedience/praise/love/etc.. And some people don't put much into prayer other than a simple thought. It's a matter of choice. I think it's wrong to limit or even ban a student's personal lifestyle. Most people agree with this. Most PUBLIC schools agree with this, except when a major religion is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 well to each his own. Seems to me it's not too big of a deal either way. I mean, 7 hours out of the day, you can pray when you get home :dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes, to each his own, but for a lot of people those 7 hours can be the most difficult to go through. Prayer helps many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 that poem is utter crap. You can pray all you want. but the school can't force you to. Stop posting this crappy exagerating peice of ****. and the bible isn't outlawed. mentioning god is not against any school rules. Most(any) schools don't allow unnatural hair color. basically the only thing that involves religion that is banned from school is a teacher forcing a student to pray. This poem is utter crap. Well written, but utter crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by stingerhs out of curiousity, but shouldn't this be in the senate chambers??? anyway, they can stop public prayer all they want, but it won't stop kids from praying in school. true, but there's more signifigance if things are spoken instead of thought. this has been argued and argued again over in the senate chambers and it never gets us anywhere because nobody will ever budge from their opinions on this. anyway the poem is very insulting to various people - whats wrong with Green hair exactly? or piercings? or being an "unwed daddy" as the poem terms it? whats wrong with promoting condoms in schools - it surely helps keep people away from STDs? and the assertion that the ten commandments are the only way of distinguishing right from wrong, well thats just idiotic and close minded. to me the poem suggests good reasons why prayer should (and i believe, is in america) be illegal and never be allowed even a slight amount of influence over people who dont believe in god. by all means pray in private or with others that follow your faith but no way should anyone ram it down the throats of those that dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by JoeBeforeJedi I realize that religion creates friction among different groups, but it does seem to be odd when it is more appropriate to tell teenagers to use condoms and then say that you can?t pray aloud or say the pledge of allegiance because it has the word God in it. BS. the united states has adopted the policy of abstinence to be taught in public schools. No school tells a student it can't pray, legally. The thing that is illegal is teacher forced prayer. Stop over-exaggerating this crap. And no, you still say the pledge, but you're allowed to not say it if you object to saying god, I myself have no problem with the god part, I just think the pledge is a silly concept in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 right on. I realize that religion creates friction among different groups, but it does seem to be odd when it is more appropriate to tell teenagers to use condoms and then say that you can?t pray aloud or say the pledge of allegiance because it has the word God in it. What has condoms have to do with God. A condom is for stopping certain diseases from spreading, it is NOT a vinger hat FYI. And actually most schools have the pledge of allegiance in their daily routine. As long as religious people aren't refused access to schools (i am not interested in a news item where 1 girl wasnt accepted in a school and was religious, by coincidence) or literally brainwashed to change their relgiion, then this poem is BS If everyone in the world was a christian then perhaps there would be no evil! Or everyone a jew! Or a buddhist etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Prayer in school would be like thinking in church. Damn, I'm gonna get so flamed for that. On a serious note... Whoever wrote that poem must have never went to a United States public school. How could "God's name be prohibited by the state" if it's in the Pledge of Allegiange? The Pledge should actually be considered unconstitutional because what if you worship Allah or Buddha? That's infringing on Freedom of Religion. My school has a moment of silence after the Pledge for anyone who wants to pray silently. That should be enough to satisfy the religious, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 I just wanted to see food for thought, everyone has different views on things, there injustices to both sides, as it is I don?t think that people should be forced to pray if they don?t want to, and I think that it is unfair to them if they become involved in a prayer in any way, but it is also unfair to the people who pray, if when a prayer in school is said, the ACLU is on there case right away, People should be more tolerant of each other both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I take a moderate view of this whole mess. I think representation of religion in schools should NOT be regulated. However I also don't think there should be class prayers, since not everyone is a Christian who attends public schools. Sorry. That's just a fact of life. Let me clarify: If Scripture now the class recites, I bet you'd be mad if you were forced to recite a Muslim prayer in class. Thusly, I do not support this. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. That's not true, and thank God for that. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, This I terribly disagree with, although I understand it is true. What's the point of tearing down symbols of others' religions? Their presence is not forcing you to agree with them. I realize that religion creates friction among different groups, but it does seem to be odd when it is more appropriate to tell teenagers to use condoms and then say that you can?t pray aloud or say the pledge of allegiance because it has the word God in it. Sorry, what is the connection between telling teenagers to use condoms and suppressing religion? anyway the poem is very insulting to various people - whats wrong with Green hair exactly? or piercings? or being an "unwed daddy" as the poem terms it? whats wrong with promoting condoms in schools - it surely helps keep people away from STDs? Agreed. Also: Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. Oh, no! Taboo! What's so evil about that? Also, since when are vampires studied in public schools? They're not real, y'know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by JoeBeforeJedi I realize that religion creates friction among different groups, but it does seem to be odd when it is more appropriate to tell teenagers to use condoms and then say that you can?t pray aloud or say the pledge of allegiance because it has the word God in it. The ninth circuit court of appeals in California tried to outlaw the pledge because of the word god, our dollar says ?in god we trust? we can?t bury our past. As for the condoms I was using it as prop since some people are offended by the use of the things (I would like to add that i AM NOT one of them, I was just using these people for a prop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 We understand, we (or I) was[were] pointing out that there is no valid basis for comparing those two things. The Pledge of Allegiance didn't always have the words "under God" in it. Timeline: 1954: "under God" added to the Pledge. Pledge formerly read "one nation indivisible". 1955: "In God We Trust" added to paper money. 1956: "In God We Trust" made national motto, replacing "E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of Many, One"). So the phrase "under God" is fifty years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by Alegis I'm sure God will change that rule some day. Or Allah, or Visjnoe. That is the point good sir, only GOD has been removed, its ok to pray to any other God, but the God our founding fathers prayed to has been outlawed. And no, I was not offended by the poem, I have many piercings, different colored hair and so on, but I wasnt offended by that... if people get offended that easily, they need some help, because the things they are doing obviously hasnt helped in their security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 References to God were added I beleive due to the Cold War. All communists were athiests, and the U.S. wanted to contrast them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by TK-8252 References to God were added I beleive due to the Cold War. All communists were athiests, and the U.S. wanted to contrast them. Ahh, I see, thats why we're religious, we wanted to contrast the communists... right... I get mad that people just can't ignore it if someones praying or has a bible or something. I ignore when i'm watching the science channel and they shove evolution down my throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Ahh, I see, thats why we're religious, we wanted to contrast the communists... right... Actually, it's true. The idea was, believe in God or the Commies will get you. It was part of the Red Scare. Link (Warning: Heavily opinionated, but what it says of the history is accurate) Originally posted by Elijah That is the point good sir, only GOD has been removed, its ok to pray to any other God, but the God our founding fathers prayed to has been outlawed. You're missing the point, which is none of the other gods got added into the Pledge in the first place. They didn't even get considered for rejection. God hasn't exactly been outlawed. I think I'd be moving if that were true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 In this country, no one can be happy unless everyone is happy. Hmm..... quote me if you like. TiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe© Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 Originally posted by Redwing We understand, we (or I) was[were] pointing out that there is no valid basis for comparing those two things. The Pledge of Allegiance didn't always have the words "under God" in it. Timeline: 1954: "under God" added to the Pledge. Pledge formerly read "one nation indivisible". 1955: "In God We Trust" added to paper money. 1956: "In God We Trust" made national motto, replacing "E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of Many, One"). So the phrase "under God" is fifty years old. Thank you for being patient while I got my thoughts out. That is a very good point. People were terrified of the communist in the 50s would do anything they could to discredit them in the eyes of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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