Boba Rhett Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Please keep any comments you have about Holowan's closure inside this thread. I can only assume that many of you have questions about this. I know I would. I'll try and answer your questions with what little information I have at this point. One suggestion I have to everyone at this time is that you all grab any mods that you've wanted but don't already have. I doubt they'll be easily available for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derc Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Oh my... This is certainly shocking news. And a blow to the PC community. The pride and jewel of the SWK boards...done for? Indefinitely? Therefore, we hereby request that the forum known as Holowan Laboratories be immediately disabled and that contact information, including IP addresses, for the following members... HOLY ****! They can do that!? (And Rhett, this is one sick joke for April Fools.....so is it?) <_<; EDIT: And RedHawke, sorry if I sounded like an ass. EDIT2: This isn't a joke, is it? EDIT3: Bah. It was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 If this is true, being it is April 1st and all this leaves a reasonable doubt to the authenticity, this would utterly suck... Out of the blue a letter shows up from LA demanding Holowan Labs be shut down, and probably most of our sites as well... LA knew Holowan Labs existed before now (Ergo this probably is an April Fools Joke, a good one too!), hell even Obsidian Entertainment used the freakin' Force Pike idea in TSL, from a Holowan Mod no less, all I have to say is WTF??? Who put the burr under their saddle all of a sudden? Or is this an evil plot by Boba Rhett and his elves to play the ultimate April Fools joke on us?... Hmm. If this is true, I will never buy a LA product again, and I strongly suggest you all do the same... Unless this is a Joke then... Edit: And no worries Derc! Originally posted by Derc (And Rhett, this is one sick joke for April Fools.....so is it?) It seriously is starting to feel like one, especially with T7nowhere creeping around the boards and not even a peep from him here... Edit 2: I don't think Boba Rhett is actually that cruel and unusual! But I could be wrong... I seriously hope so! But we will definately find out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
envida Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think I'm goin to kick my self in the nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargant Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 If this isnt a joke then this really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcom Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Nice one, mods. I almost had heartattack. edit: I think Boba Rhett just volunteered to be very special character in Holowan Arena mod.... heh he he he.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T7nowhere Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Well I suppose I should say something but, I just don't know what to say.... I guess I'll have a bit more time on My hands now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Considering I just received this letter via e-mail (with a FedEx to arrive later today I assume). I'm beginning to wonder if it is an April Fools joke LucasArts Entertainment Company P.O. Box 10307 San Rafael, CA 94912 [snipped fax & phone number - the last thing I need is for someone to get pissed and send them hate messages. For right now, they're not going to fine me. Don't screw that up for me.. at least] April 1, 2005 [snipped - contained my name & address] Re: Copyright and Trademark Infringement Dear Mr. [snipped - my last name]: Please be advised that LucasArts Entertainment Company has learned that you are making its copyrighted and trademarked materials (together with those of its affiliated companies Lucasfilm Ltd. and Lucas Digital Ltd.) available on the Internet, and that you have established one or more World Wide Web sites that purport to represent the Lucas companies. Please be advised further that such unauthorized uses of such materials constitute (among other things) copyright and trademark infringement and are actionable under state and federal laws. LucasArts Entertainment Company, on behalf of itself and its parent and affiliated companies, hereby demands that you immediately cease and desist from any and all unauthorized use of it's proprietary property (or that of its parent or affiliated companies), and that you provide LucasArts immediately with written assurances that you will comply with this demand. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, LucasArts hereby demands that you immediately (i) shut down any and all World Wide Web sites or other Internet activities related to the Lucas companies and (ii) provide a written description to LucasArts of all such activities in which you have engaged to date. This shall not be deemed a waiver of any claims at law or in equity which LucasArts Entertainment Company and/or its parent or affiliated companies may have against any party with respect to the foregoing. I look forward to your immediate response and cooperation. Very truly yours, [signature] Robert S. Roden In any case, I'd at least like to say, while I have the chance, that I've truly enjoyed the time I've spent here at the Forums. I'm really going to miss alot of you and the great discussions we've all shared over at Holowan. I consider most of you as true friends and I hope we can at least continue the candid conversations in the future *sigh* at some point in time, I've got to shutdown the mods section over at my site, so I'll tell everyone now, get'm while you can (hopefully PCGM will get to stay up, at least for a little while). I'm going to go *sob* now April Fools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcom Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Originally posted by ChAiNz.2da I'm beginning to wonder if it is an April Fools joke ChainZ, what's the IP in the header of that e-mail? I didn't get anything.. but the message looks familiar? (1995 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Originally posted by Xcom ChainZ, what's the IP in the header of that e-mail? I didn't get anything.. but the message looks familiar? (1995 ) Yeah, I thought that too when I started snooping 204.128.216.255 the connection is refused when trying to enter the site purely by IP... But Google wasn't very re-assuring April Fools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 umm, wow. holowan was the whole thing that got me onto the LF board to begin with. why does everyone up at LA have to be so stiff??? okay, maybe not everyone, but you know what i mean.... edit: and i had this whole James Bond pack in the works complete with new gun models and stuff. this really freakin bites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargant Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Well if this is true what does this mean to you modders out there that had mods in progress or recently finished? Will you release them or just scrap them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom_Dealer Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Lol, guys you (hopefully) really got me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 WTF??? Holy ****! You modders think this is bad for you -- what about me, Fred and cchargin? We've been building these tools! I hope this is a freaking joke. I've disabled the modding tools at starwarsknights.com. I haven't gotten an email like you Chainz.2da, but that might be due to the filters I've set up. Goddamn it, I've been working for more than a year on tools -- imagine what you'd feel like if the work you've done for a year was suddenly made illegal. And I'm seriously regretting ever buying KotOR in the first place. I only hope I don't get slapped some civil suit. Maybe LucasArts is having a joke with us or some other punk? I'm not taking any chances with this ****. Maybe they're just going after modders? I haven't gotten a PM from you Rhett saying that I was named or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Originally posted by Gargant Well if this is true what does this mean to you modders out there that had mods in progress or recently finished? Will you release them or just scrap them? I don't think it's time to release anything. Keep a low profile... ...and no, Redhawke, this is not a bad joke. I am freaking out too: guess who's heads are going to fall first... I am looking at it with Rhett and we'll try to minimize damages as much as possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I'll be finishing my mods, but I will not be releasing them. They will only be for my own personal use. That appears to be the way modding Lucasarts games will be in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I'd just like to know whether KSE is considered a mod or modding tool by LA. You'd think that one would okay wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeKatarn Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 This MUST be a sick AFs joke, because they didn't stop us from modding before. JA< they RELEASED the tools! RC, they WILL Release teh tools! So why ONLY KotOR!? THIS IS SICKENING LA! VERY VERY SICKENING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 WTF??!!!??? i'm sorry guys, but if LA knew about this for such a long time (and i'm sure they knew), then why the heck did they decide to do something about it now??? come on, now i'm sure some of you guys are trying to avoid legal action, and it could have been prevented with LA taking action a long time ago. this only further cements my opinion that LA is a bunch of slack-***es that don't give a **** about the gaming community. sure this is a fan forum, but i'm sure most of you realize that its pretty much going to decay into nothing. if this is how LA likes to treat their customers, then **** them too. i ain't buyin anything else they put on the shelves, no matter how good it is. and again, i'm sorry about the flaming rant, but its the truth and it had to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Perhaps they got tired of hearing all those complaints and petitions about the cut material in K2 and all and the possible mods and they felt it was going out of control so they decided to set an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeKatarn Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 True Darth. They may fear us "Unlocking" the "cut" stuff, and maybe it has some secret in KotOR II and if you do it you get KotOR III or something. But really, maybe they don't want us getting that extra stuff... But why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Originally posted by stingerhs WTF??!!!??? i'm sorry guys, but if LA knew about this for such a long time (and i'm sure they knew), then why the heck did they decide to do something about it now??? I suspect that now there has been limited talk (as much as we've tried to prevent it) on these boards about porting material between games Lucasarts hs decided that things have gone too far. Originally posted by LukeKatarn But really, maybe they don't want us getting that extra stuff... But why? Since they are still assets owned by Lucasarts, they may end up in some form or another in a future product. Thus they wouldn't want that material being out with the public now. In the end there are probably a bunch of reasons like that that Lucasarts has decided to enforce their policies now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Originally posted by Prime In the end there are probably a bunch of reasons like that that Lucasarts has decided to enforce their policies now... It still pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Yoinked* Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 WTF! This is so lame! Especially with Bioware being really leniant about mod discussion on their boards! I mean... this is so lame! Why now!?!? We should do somehting to fight this, this sucks so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Fred Tetra, cchargin: Do you guys follow the Supreme Court? Here's something to keep our fingers crossed on. http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/03/wo/wo_hellweg031105.asp?p=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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