JamieFN Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Hello Folks! Well I've made a big mistake and I'd like to say sorry! I thought that adding files from PCGamemods to KOTOR2files would be me saying thank you to the community because i'd be allowing more people to enjoy the files you make by having them for download at our site. The network has 1mill users register and that's why we have alot of people visiting our websites. I was very wrong with adding those files and i've learn't my lesson the hard way. If you really do still hate our guts and want your files removed just tell me which file it is and I'll remove it asap! I hope that you can forgive us and start to support the site by sending in your files and useing it as another download/mirror resource. Thanks again for listening and I really am sorry for any problems or stress this has caused. You can visit the site here . -Jamie Head Network Admin Filesnetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 I can't speak for others, but I appreciate your apology and respect that you have responded to people's concerns. I accept your apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieFN Posted May 1, 2005 Author Share Posted May 1, 2005 Thanks alot Prime It won't happen again, you can be sure of that =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazin Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 I echo what Prime said. I'm glad you came by Jamie, and I think by your apology and through some friendly dialogue with the members here, you may see some mods being posted to your site by the authors. As I said in IRC with you all, I think alot of it has to do with the author of the mod having control of its destiny. Goodluck to you and your crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieFN Posted May 1, 2005 Author Share Posted May 1, 2005 Yes, thanks again Drazin for coming to the IRC chat about this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven2001 Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Pardon moi for my ignorance, but what's happened??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Originally posted by Prime I can't speak for others, but I appreciate your apology and respect that you have responded to people's concerns. I accept your apology. You speak for me, Prime. Thank you for quick responses Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T7nowhere Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 What has happend is that the folks over at The site linked above had taken mods from PCGM and uploaded them to thier site. This was all without the the knowledge on the part of the mod authors. The discovery of this was made by our ever vigilant Darth333. AS an admin over at PCGM and a Moderator here I contacted several modders here that had the mods uploaded, and confirmed our suspisions that no permission was given by the mod authors to have their mods uploaded. The guys in charge over there have since agreed to correct thier mistakes and remove the mods and to only in the future upload mods that are submitted to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 I too appreciate the apology, see I have no problem sharing my mod's with others that is, after all, why we release our mods, I guess it just sort of hmmmm.... ticks me off I guess you could say, that there was no asking of permission, because I and I believe several others would've allowed for our mods to be uploaded there with proper permission first, thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieFN Posted May 1, 2005 Author Share Posted May 1, 2005 Well we'd love to have people sending in their files still so please do if you wish to I hope this doesn't stop people from sending in their files to us as well as PCGamemods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Originally posted by JamieFN Well we'd love to have people sending in their files still so please do if you wish to I hope this doesn't stop people from sending in their files to us as well as PCGamemods It takes alot of "guts" to stand forward and admit what had happened, and as for that you've regained alot of respect IMO as Prime had said, thank you for the apology, and now that this little "bump" has been surpassed... I might just take a look over there and submit some stuff Thank you for bringing your site to our attention in the 'legit' way... every amount of exposure (with permission.. hehehe) is a good thing in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatXL Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 http://forums.filefront.com/showthread.php?t=191232 I am totally sorry for outlashing at the site as a whole, you just must understand that it isn't fun for us, as modders, to go to another site and have the stuff we've worked so hard on be uploaded without even a word to us. I don't know, it just kind of makes me feel weird when I don't know things like that. I think it takes someone with alot of courage to apologize to a whole modding community. My only problem with uploading my mods to other sites is that I wanted to try and keep them all in one place and not have duplicates scattered throughout the internet. It's just alot easier if I used one site where everyone could find my mods. Now that you have been so courageous and apologized, I'll probably even make mods specifically for that site. Again, I extend my apologize for posting such a straightford post on that forum. I am happy that you just wanted to let others enjoy our mods. I just hope we can all put this situation behind us. Edit: I guess it wouldn't hurt anything to keep those current mods of mine on that site, as they were just little reskins. I just hope that community doesn't think I'm stuck up or something. I'm really not a prissy woman, I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 I have to agree with Chainz and Prime! At the moment, PCGM.com and LucasForums.com is my mod and posting home. I will get back to the post you posted at my [WIP] thread tomorrow with an answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Apology accepted, and help yourself if you want to post any more of my mods on your site, it's not like I'm charging people to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Doesn't filefront.com sell CDs of files to their members? Isn't that both stealing and gaining a profit at the same time, or are they releasing the mods for free? I am a little confused! ------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a description over at fileplanet: Knights of the Old Republic 2 Downloads > Skins: Add lightsidereskinpack.zip to my CD Uber-Lightside Reskin Pack Filename: lightsidereskinpack.zip Size: 8.63 MB Developer: XL <----- Even if you did allow them to upload, they will not acknowledge that it is your work! Downloads: 9 Date Added: 04-27-2005 Type / Category: Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatXL Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 From what I can tell, they are selling CDs to those who have a slow connection and couldn't download tons of files, as it would take them forever to do so. I just don't know how much of a profit they gain by doing that, if any at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 Originally posted by MacLeodCorp Doesn't filefront.com sell CDs of files to their members? Isn't that both stealing and gaining a profit at the same time, or are they releasing the mods for free? I am a little confused! The mods are free to download, yes (just as PCGM and LucasFiles)... Here's their responses to many that had your same questions http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/news/All_modders_and_site_viewers_please_read_Concerning_unwanted_files;18263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorman Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 First off I'd like to agree with everyone here (even though I have no mods posted anywhere on the internet so this doesn't really affect me) that its great that you appologized, and I'd like to add that the CD service is great for those who are stuck with 56k connections. BUT I want to ask this, are the staff telling flat out lies right now? Can someone explain to me how all these quotes (exact from the sites) fit together. From any file page on a filenetwork site FilesNetwork.com allows you to burn any file in its archive to a CD (or multiple CDs) and have it dropped right at your doorstep! CDs are $9.95 a piece and can contain up to 650 MB worth of Files! Just click the CD icon next to a file or category and a popup window will appear with your CD layout! Want more info? Click here From the order form 9.95 USD Note: Shipping and Handling charges will be added on the next page. From Chainz's link The small cost ($5.00 per CD) is there for us to pay shipping and handling charges, a price that is generally over that amount due to many people living in other countries. You can purchase a stack of 10 CD-RWs for about 10-12 USD, if you purchase bulk its going to be less, so how are they not making a profit? (assuming they burn the discs themselves). But if filenetwork/filefront doesn't do the burning themselves the 10 USD fee isn't really their fault, but then still why does the post say theres only a five USD, and just for S/H? I might have missed something completly, or the wording in post is off. Hopefully this didn't come off like I'm trying to cause trouble, I'm only trying to see where the $5 per CD comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Originally posted by Vigrid Ratatosk First off I'd like to agree with everyone here (even though I have no mods posted anywhere on the internet so this doesn't really affect me) that its great that you appologized, and I'd like to add that the CD service is great for those who are stuck with 56k connections. BUT I want to ask this, are the staff telling flat out lies right now? Can someone explain to me how all these quotes (exact from the sites) fit together. From any file page on a filenetwork site From the order form From Chainz's link You can purchase a stack of 10 CD-RWs for about 10-12 USD, if you purchase bulk its going to be less, so how are they not making a profit? (assuming they burn the discs themselves). But if filenetwork/filefront doesn't do the burning themselves the 10 USD fee isn't really their fault, but then still why does the post say theres only a five USD, and just for S/H? I might have missed something completly, or the wording in post is off. Hopefully this didn't come off like I'm trying to cause trouble, I'm only trying to see where the $5 per CD comes from. Vigrid Ratatosk has a point. I use a 56K modem dialup. Truth be told if I am doing all the work, and they get a profit, what do I get? I am a graphic designer, if they want to upload my mods to their site, and gain a profit from burning a CD, I want to be paid a graphic design fee, which I regularly charge: $175.00 per hour! See where this is going!? If they are charging $10ish dollars, or even $5ish for each CD, and I get not one dime, why would I want them to host my mods? It costs me 90 cents at school to buy a CD to burn. They gain a progit of $4.00/$8.00 for each they burn. No way man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieFN Posted May 2, 2005 Author Share Posted May 2, 2005 We actually don't get any profit from this feature. It's controled by another company, i'm not sure what company but they do all the shipping and getting the cd ready. I'll get the owner of FN to come here tomorrow and explain this cd feature to you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Khasei Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 It is a bad idea to charge ANYTHING more than the per CD and shipping cost (ie. make ZERO profit). Making ANY profit opens you to scrutiny because the people that made the game/mods are cut out of the money however small it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 I am glad you apologize but seriously, I have a problem with the CD feature and it is one of the reasons why I would not upload my mods there (edit: the other main reason being that I want to keep control of my mods and I hate to have to update stuff at many places). By charging $10/cd (in fact the price doesn't matter: a sale is a sale), kotor2files and this other company make a commercial operation, which is illegal, at least for Kotor mods. It doesn't matter if it helps people with 56k modems or not (the law doesn't care about slow internet connections). Even if it was made for a duly registered non-profit corporation (which is not the case), selling Kotor mods would be illegal. Modders have to be aware that they are also responsible for what is being done with their mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 I have to agree with the above assessments, and the fact that someone somewhere is obviously profiting from selling CD's that contain files that are illegal to sell in the first place is the clincher. Because of this illegal CD selling feature, and the possible ramnifications for us, I will not host any of my files on your servers. LA/Bioware/OE are aware of our modding efforts and it is allowed to persist because we don't step on any toes, someone somewhere who is making any type of profit off of our mods containing their copywrighted material, is a sure-fire way of inviting disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Blaze Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 I think it is very big to apologize even though I didn't here a word of any of this until now. I accept the apology as well. However this whole CD thing has me a little "iffy" you could say. I agree with both Darth333 and RedHawke fully on this part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcom Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Yes, I also agree with Darth and below. The modding as a whole still remains somewhat shady activity because it's unsupported and nearly all of it is either based on or derived from copyrighted LA/OE/BioWare sources. Keeping in mind that LucasArts merely "tolerates" modding at present, there shouldn't be any commercial operations performed with the mods, much less any profit generated (by neither authors themselves nor any 3rd party site) because LA may not like it. I don't mind at all the site mirroring the files on-line, but paid off-line cd service concerns me greatly. Commercial distribution is commercial distribution even if they charge 1 cent. It may very well be well intended from the site's management, but it also exposes the modding community to a very real risk (IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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