RC-1162 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 So we all know that Lama Su(PM of Kamino in AOTC) says tht the order for the clones was placed by a Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas. So who is Sifo-Dyas really? PS: Can someone tell me what happened to Messkell? IF you see him, tell him to check his PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montnoir Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I presume Dooku or Sidious killed Sifa-Dyas and placed the order for the clones in his name. Ep3 spoiler: I found it very strange that the Kaminoans programmed "Order 66 (kill all Jedi)" but didn't mention it to the Jedi. And the ones who ordered the Clones in the first place were Jedi (as far as Kaminoans know). Why would the Jedi, order clones and request a programmed order to kill Jedi? It just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Remember that Sidious is in control of the war and everything having to do with it. Don't be suprised that the Kaminoans did what he asked. They'd follow the orders of whoever is paying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Originally posted by montnoir Ep3 spoiler: I found it very strange that the Kaminoans programmed "Order 66 (kill all Jedi)" but didn't mention it to the Jedi. And the ones who ordered the Clones in the first place were Jedi (as far as Kaminoans know). Why would the Jedi, order clones and request a programmed order to kill Jedi? It just doesn't make sense. You have mixed up, friend. The clones were programmed to obey any order given to them. Palpatine had been voted several powers allowing him control of the clone army. He elaborated the plan of Order 66 to the chief commanders and told them to execute it when he says and tell no one about it. The clones, who are literally killing machines obeyed the command. The Kaminoans never programmed Order 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 10 years after TPM the clone wars began and in TPM qui gon was killed by darth maul and when obi wan speaks with lama su he says : Master who? I'm sorry but Master Sifo Dyas was killed 10 years ago ( or something like that ). Si i always thought it could be another name for QUI-GON...maybe i'm wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Yeah, me too, because even Obi Wan says: "Tell me, Prime Minister, when MY master first contacted you about the clone army - - - " so its obvious tht anyone would think tht Qui Gon was Sifo Dyas. Read this too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by Darth Band so its obvious tht anyone would think tht Qui Gon was Sifo Dyas. I don't think so. Obi-Wan called all the Jedi Masters "Master". Although the identity of Sifo Dyas is a mystery, it seems. He isn't in the starwars.com databank section. That has every character in all the movies and many who arent even in the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 i mean reaad dookus databank. it says," as dooku he placed the order for the clone army". but on geonosis in ep II hes surprised at the army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by Darth Band i mean reaad dookus databank. it says," as dooku he placed the order for the clone army". but on geonosis in ep II hes surprised at the army Probably because he didn't think that the republic knew about it. When Obi-Wan is talking to Jango Fett, he says,"Then you must know Sifo Dias." and Jango replies, "Never heard of him."...and something about he was hired by a man called Tyrannus (Darth Tyrannus=Count Dooku) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted May 24, 2005 Author Share Posted May 24, 2005 excatly! so when dooku saw the clones' helmet similar looking to that of jangos he should have thought something (probably lost his memory due to old age) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montnoir Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Ok I thought this was common knowledge so, listen up! Dooku hired Jango to be the clone "father" by orders from Palpatine. You cand read about this in the comic book "Jango Fett - Open Seasons" and you can experience it for yourself in the video-game "Star Wars - Bounty Hunter". Dookus surprise was not at the clones (he knew them very well and what they were capable of, him being the one that CHOSE Jango because of Jangos murderous skills) but because they dropped down on his head. One moment he was standing in an arena the next moment suddenly 100 ships land and start blasting, so of course he was surprised. Sifa-Dyas was the name Dooku used to give to the Kaminoans when he made the order for the Clones. Tyrannus is Dookus "Sith" name (Darth Tyrannus) and it also was the name he used when he first hired Jango, "on one of the moons of Bogden". The Trade Federation invasion of Naboo was masterminded by Palpatine so he would be elected Supreme Chancellor and the Clone Wars were also masterminded by Palpatine so the Republic would become destabilised and he could grab the power. Dooku became his apprentice after Maul died, at the hands of Obi-Wan. Palpatine and Dooku masterminded the Separatist movement and the building of the Droid Army and they arranged for the creation of the Clones also. But they built them in secret otherwise there would have been too many questions to answer. First they split the Republic in 2. The Republic on one side and the Separatists on the other. Then they built big armies for each. Droid Army for the Separatists and Clone Army for the Republic. When this was done they set in motion events that led to war. Palpatine with the help of Dooku started a conspiracy to lead Palpatine to become Emperor. Now that we've settled that, bring on the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Originally posted by montnoir Sifa-Dyas was the name Dooku used to give to the Kaminoans when he made the order for the Clones. Not it isn't. Syfo-Dias was a real Jedi Master (as indicated in AOTC as the Jedi know who he is) who had similar views in regards to corruption as Dooku at the time. They were friends and Dooku manipulated him into ordering the clones to counter the forseen threat. After Dooku joined the Sith, Palpatine commanded him to kill Syfo-Dias as a show of loyalty. This is all explained in full in the novel Labyrinth of Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montnoir Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Perfect then! In that case all pieces of the puzzle are in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Prime what all does the Labrynth of Evil explain fully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted May 27, 2005 Author Share Posted May 27, 2005 now wait a sec, im not talkin abt the surprise of tht oldie in the arena. im talking abt his surprise in the place with the holographic projector where the death star plans change places. ill quote from the movie: Gunray: "The Jedi have amassed a HUGE army" Dooku: "That doesn't seem possible, how could they have assembled such an army so quickly?" thats what i dont get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montnoir Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 He is talking to Nute Gunray. What do you expect him to say? "Yeah, me and my master made up this entire war to take over the galaxy, we are in charge of both sides of the war so in reality it is only a sham to destabilise the Republic." Dooku is just playing his role as an unsuspecting, unknowing Separatist leader in front of the other Separatists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 After the death of Darth Maul, Palpatine immediately sought out three potential apprentices; Sifo Dyas, Detori (Darth Rage), a cyborg Toban from Yetis and Dakkus Vitrich’s Jedi student, Count Jard Dooku of Serreno (Darth Tyranus). Palpatine first approached Sifo Dyas. Palpatine had asked Sifo Dyas to become a Sith, since the Kaminoans were expecting his visit. Sifo Dyas refused and Palpatine slew him by a Force fireball and Force earthquake. So Sifo Dyas was indeed a jedi in the jedi order in the old republic BUT had sort of "disappeared" and no one knew what happened to him save that he was dead. DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Whos Darth Rage? Never heard of him... And how come there are never any female sith/jedi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by Aash Li Whos Darth Rage? Never heard of him... And how come there are never any female sith/jedi? First off Aash Li, Let me say SORRY for the bad info. Emperor Devon informed me and I verified it with Darth333 that http://www.supershadow.com isn't worth it's weight in Bantha Poodoo This is the site I received my "mis"informed info from...lol I'd like to know that myself. There aren't ANY "main" main characters in the movies either. The entire jedi counsil doesn't include many women and NONE of them ever speak. Lluminaria Unduli, Barris Offee, Aalya Secura are all "minor" main jedi in my eyes since they get almost no camera time. This is the reason I like Star Wars Revelations from panic struck productions. A fan star wars film STARRING not one but two jemale jedi of great importance. The main character and her sister who is also a jedi. I saw that and thought FINALLY a WOMAN in Star Wars. No women in Star Wars is why one of my favorite characters is Nomi Sunrider. DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Im of the opinion that GL is a mysognist (woman hater, not gay, just hates women). Which could explain why there are no females of great importance in the movies, and why Aayla got such a ****ty ending in the movies... (yes, Im still annoyed by that). I dont hate GL, I just think hes senile or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Don't worry there's going to be Female main characters in the NOMADS (aka JEDUDES) They'll be HOT of course, but don't worry they'll be wise and intelligent and have deep characters as well:D Unfortunately I don't think they'll be SW canon:rolleyes: "I dont hate GL, I just think hes senile or something..." I don't know about completely, but I think he's getting there:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I AGREE TOTALLY Aash one of the worst kill offs ever. A beautiful blue Twilek Jedi Master and they kill her off with a few clone troopers literally shooting her in the back (lightsaber never even drawn). Also on this subject (sorta) what about Shaak Ti (sp)? Was that her on the speeder bike with 2 clone troopers then they fell back and shot her? If not I didn't see her at all in III? DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 No, that was some other jedi bit character. >_> Shaak Ti, supposedly gets murdered by anikin when he slaughters the Jedi Temple, but I dont think they show her getting killed... so theres my delusion-fuel! lol shes not really dead. lol Nomads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I think I remember Anny killing a woman when he was killing the younglings, but I'm not sure? YOU HAVENT HEARD OF MY JEDUDES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Nice huh? GL choose to "show" Senator Organa leaving that pad and an unknown padawan got a 5-10 second cameo fight scene; One of the Jedi Counsil (who was female) didn't even get shown. And I'm sure Shaak Ti was and is a favored character What was he thinking "Guys only club?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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