The Doctor Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 RUSSELL WATSON!! YA, ENTERPRISE THEME!!!! Ya, vocalists can do some amazing things. I can't sing worth a damn, but I love playing the Tombone and Piano. I used to play the Clarinet, too,but I hated my Music teacher, so I switched to Trombone when I started High scool. Brass kick ass. It doesn't suffer from the taint of wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lion54 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 RUSSELL WATSON!! YA, ENTERPRISE THEME!!!! Yep. Thats where I first heard him. Its not really a good representation of his vocal ability, though. The man can sing anything. Check out his site if you are interested http://www.russell-watson.com/ . You can hear some samples of his singing. He sings a lot of Opera and Ballads. You can also see pics of him. I mention this because I would have though he looked like Sammy Hagar. Nope! I love his versions of Bohimian Rhapsody, Ava Maria, and Thats Amore, to name a few. Really, I love all his songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmerman Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I play the trombone, and am slowly learning the guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 actually, even though i hate sight reading, i like sight-discover-then-playing. which means that i have found out the notes for the star wars theme song and the opening song in kotor when you create a new character. ive not written them but i can post them here if anyone wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 How can you sight read something that you've made up yourself, hmmm, ponder that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuu Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Um, you dont. Thats called writing music.......... RC was stating a dislike of sight reading, saying he<she? sorry......> would rather figure the song out then <if necessary> write it down. Fuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Do turntables count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Do turntables count? Not as far as I am concerned. ^^^^See my post toward the beginning of this thread.^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 i know im dumb, but whats a turntable? he<she you need to say HE. no offense taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 i know im dumb, but whats a turntable? Its an archaic device that plays 12" vinyl records called LPs. Also known as a record player. The grandfather of the compact disc. Now people are using them to make "music" instead of playing music recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuu Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Do turntables count? Oh yeah they do! Beatmatching requires skill, and it takes alot of practice. Seriously some of the most talented musicians I know are Dj's. I mean anyone can learn to beat match but it takes a true musician to comprehend the nuances of harmonics....... a good dj can beatmatch fine, but REALLY good dj understands that you dont mix a track in one key with a track in a comletely diffrent key...... it would just sound weird....... Anyhooo I definitely think a turntable is an instrament ( an instrament of emotional change! wooooooooo) Its an archaic device that plays 12" vinyl records called LPs. Also known as a record player. The grandfather of the compact disc. Now people are using them to make "music" instead of playing music recordings. Archaic my butt! ( I think youre thinking of the old RCA Grammaphone?) Have you seen theTechnique 1200 MK4 ( We have a couple of these in my house unnnnnhhh! ) Its flippin magnificent...... the pitch control on that baby is so nice it makes me want to cry. VYNYL RULES!!!!!!!!!!! Fuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 fine, its counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Do turntables count? Yes, seeing as it requires musical theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuu Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Woooooo! Score one for tha Dj's! @ The Doc: PERCUSSIAN IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T READ MUSIC! You could say that about any inst. really because alot of poeple just pick it up and start playing without any formal training. Actually my father plays the drums and he reads music better than I do. He plays guitar and piano as well, but the drums are his forte. My 10 year old cousin plays the drums too and he is an excellent sight-reader. Yay for musicial families! Fuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I play drums and I can read music. Then again I write my own music, so I kind of have to be able to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Do turntables count? In fact pretty much can be turned into a musical instrument so yes, it counts . Just think of the steel drum. Depends what you do with it and even then...ever heard of a piano piece entitled 4'33"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 thats one of the confusing aspects of music theory anyway, i think drums ROCK!! its an essential part of any band nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I play the trombone, and am slowly learning the guitar. TROMBONE RULES!!! Originally posted by Fuu: @ The Doctor: Quote: PERCUSSIAN IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T READ MUSIC! You could say that about any inst. really because alot of poeple just pick it up and start playing without any formal training. I was kidding. My friend plays bass, guitar, drums (including Timpani, congos, and kit),and he also plays trumpet. In fact, a lot of my friends are percussianists and they all read music fine. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Oh yeah they do! Beatmatching requires skill, and it takes alot of practice. Seriously some of the most talented musicians I know are Dj's. I mean anyone can learn to beat match but it takes a true musician to comprehend the nuances of harmonics....... a good dj can beatmatch fine, but REALLY good dj understands that you dont mix a track in one key with a track in a comletely diffrent key...... it would just sound weird....... Anyhooo I definitely think a turntable is an instrament ( an instrament of emotional change! wooooooooo) Okay, I guess I am being old fashioned, but mixing music and beatmatching is the job of a music producer, not a musician. Eddie Kramer produced many of KISS's albums, but he wasn't listed as a musician (or a member of the band for that matter). IMO, a dj is a technician, not a musician. Archaic my butt! ( I think youre thinking of the old RCA Grammaphone?) Have you seen theTechnique 1200 MK4 ( We have a couple of these in my house unnnnnhhh! ) Its flippin magnificent...... the pitch control on that baby is so nice it makes me want to cry. VYNYL RULES!!!!!!!!!!! Fuu I was calling it archaic because few people under 25 know what they are. This generation has lost touch with it. I happen to own one and it still works. I have a record collection that includes many original KISS albums, including a never-opened picture disk of their original Creatures of the Night album cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 few people under 25 know what they are example: me. who uses one of those old gramophones? they suck!(the gramophones, not the ppl who use them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 IMO, a dj is a technician, not a musician. You've obviously never done a mix. Otherwise you'd realize the fallacy in that statement. Granted it's your opinion, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 IMO, a dj is a technician, not a musician.For you own interest, I would suggest that you check out the documentary "Scratch" which chronicles the evolution of the artform. Also, try and find live shows of people like Mix Master Mike, Q-Bert, Cut Chemist, DJ Shadow and others. Bands such as the X-Ecutioners and Beat Junkies have several members who "specialize" in providing the "horns", "drums", "strings" etc. for a song. You can also get videos of the annual DMC DJ World Championships which give a good idea of what is involved. And by all means, if you can get a to a Mix Master Mike show, I highly recommend it. You may have a different opinion afterwards. Another fun thing to try is having a go at scratching records yourself. You can play around with a great little software package called OtsTurntables (it's freeware). With it you can use just about any MP3 file... I was calling it archaic because few people under 25 know what they are. This generation has lost touch with it. I don't know about that. There have been many reports that indicate that turntables now outsell guitars, at least in some parts of the world like the UK. If anything, DJing has become even more widespread as Hip Hop has moved to the mainstream (the crap that mainstream Hip Hop is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 DJing has become even more widespread as Hip Hop has moved to the mainstream (the crap that mainstream Hip Hop is). Don't you mean the crap that most all Hip Hop is? Sorry guys, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. To me, sampling is not making music, it's stealing it. And while scratching can be done with original recordings, I doubt that that is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 * takes-off lawyer gown and puts on musicologist hat (without previously removing geek girl hat ) * MdKnightR: yes, "Turntablism" is considered as music. Turntables have been used to make music since the late 1930's -early 1940's. In 1939, in "Imaginary Landscape no. 1", John Cage, a well known composer used disc recordings to be performed on variable-speed turntables (and John Cage went even further in what could be used as a musical instrument - turntables can even look a bit conservative ). Then in the 40's Pierre Schaeffer another composer whose music is studied in every music faculty and who is known as the father of "musique concrète" (concrete music??? ) used tape manipulation and multiple turntables in several compositions. Manipulations included playing with speed, volume, reversing, looping, etc (very basic manipulations in comparison to what is being done today). A few years later, you have Karlheinz Stockhausen who went even further in the use of media/technology to make musical compositions, including turntables and radio emitters. Try listening to "Hymnen" if you are looking for a "good" example (if you can stand it until the end, I give you a cookie - most of it ressembles to a group of several short-wave radio receivers which are being continously switched through stations and you hear small pieces of various national Anthems - and don't blame me if your glassware breaks into pieces if you ever listen to it). I think another composer, Edgar Varèse also used turntables in a few compositions during those years and there are certainly more. You can always read this short article to see there is nothing new in this: http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Multichannel/spatial_music_short.html Even if their music has nothing to see with the above, today musicians such as those named by Prime use turntables to create original musical compositions: the final product is far away from the original songs .It goes well beyond traditioanl audio mixing and numerous techniques have been developped. It's definitely considered as music. And it's being taught like any other musical instrument (and studied in university musicology programs): http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/18/music.dj.class.ap/ http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/17/berklee_professor_takes_dj_class_out_for_a_spin/ http://www.berklee.edu/opi/2004/0217.html If you look around the net, there are quite a few schools offering courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Don't you mean the crap that most all Hip Hop is? No. There is a very big difference between processed/packaged mainstream hip hop and the "underground" stuff created from the ground up. Just like there is a big difference between rockers who write and compose their stuff from scratch and a processed/packaged artist like Britney Spears or Ashley Simpson. But a comment like that is a pretty good indicator that you are going to try and stereotype everything remotely related to the hip hop/rap/etc. genres as "crap", and disregard anything that might suggest otherwise. But whatever, keep the hatin' alive! Sorry guys, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. It appears so. To me, sampling is not making music, it's stealing it. So you are saying that once a sound has been "released" that it can no longer be used? If you heard some of the stuff from the artists I have mentioned, you might see why that comment might be akin to calling a guitar player a thief because someone has already strummed the D string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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