kotorfan84 Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 A lot of you guys want to be able to choose weather or not the Revan and the Exile were good or evil and weather they were male or female, but I think more than likely any game the links the two previous games will need to give us some sort of difinative story line. I'm not sure if anyone has ever posted this, but on the kotor II site it has a star wars chronicle, which pretty much says Revan turned back to the dark side. http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sithlords/indexLight.html go to game info and then Chronicles Part XI reads.....Time frame: 3,956 B.B.Y. Period name: Knights of the Old Republic The Republic verges on collapse. DARTH MALAK, last surviving apprentice of Dark Lord Revan, has unleashed an invincible Sith armada upon an unsuspecting galaxy. Crushing all resistance, Malak's war of conquest has left the Jedi Order scattered and vulnerable as countless Knights fall in battle and many more swear allegiance to their new Sith Master. In the skies above the Outer Rim world of Taris, a Jedi battle fleet engages the forces of Darth Malak in a desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination. During the battle, one of the crippled space craft jettisons Jedi BASTILA SHAN, after fighting valiantly against a boarding party including Malak's new apprentice, DARTH BANDON. Her escape pod is located in the Undercity of Taris by a human suffering from amnesia, Mandalorian Wars hero CARTH ONASI, a Twi'Lek scoundrel and native of Taris, MISSION VAO, and her Wookiee companion, ZAALBAR. Seeking refuge, the legendary smuggling ship EBON HAWK is appropriated from Taris underworld boss Davik Kang, and piloted to the Jedi Enclave of DANTOOINE. Soon afterwards, the human amnesiac begins to exhibit impressive use of the Force, and is trained by Jedi Master ZHAR LESTIN. After a number of dangerous and foolhardy missions throughout the galaxy in search of cartographical tools known as Star Maps, the members of this small alliance are detected and detained on the gigantic Interdictor-class Star Cruiser Flagship LEVIATHAN under the command of Admiral SAUL KARATH. Karath was a pivotal Republic figure only five years previously, winning victories over the Mandalorians, but recently declared the Republic not worthy of his support. After an impressive display of guile, the alliance was released from the ship's brig, and attempted a full-scale assault of the bridge, fatally wounding Karath. During the escape, however, Bastila and the amnesiac Jedi Knight are waylaid by the appearance of DARTH MALAK, who reveals that the Knight is in fact DARTH REVAN, his old Master. Escaping to the UNKNOWN WORLD of the Rakata, Bastila turns on Revan, and after a climactic battle, Revan learns of Malak's plan to harness a nearby sun using an ancient Rakata space station known as the STAR FORGE, and use this energy to increase production of his Sith forces. Revan vows to slay his ex-apprentice before Malak's power becomes too great. Personally I don't think a Jedi would vow to slay anyone, but this isn't much proof as to what Revan decided to do. I believe a true jedi, especially one who has turned from the dark side would vow to defeat or stop Malak but not slay. Part XII reads.......ime frame: 3,955 - 3,953 B.B.Y. Period name: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords It is a period of uncertainty across the galaxy. After a long and vicious battle in the deepest area of the STAR FORGE, Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK. After recovering from the duel, Revan seeks out the secret dark outposts he established during the Mandalorian War. Journeying to the Outer Rim in the EBON HAWK, Revan is focused withlocating the source of the dark power on MALACHOR V. Those awaiting Revan's arrival, including members of the Sith and the Jedi, are shocked when he fails to return from this pilgrimage. It is unknown whether Revan destroyed or resurrected the primal Sith forces on this forbidden planetoid. The rest of part 12 has more to do with KOTOR 2, but the fact that they actually refer to Revan as the Dark Lord of the Sith probably means we remained evil. Not to mention he's looking to return to Malachor, could be to destroy it but probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 I believe that the article was writenn so that it could be interpreted either way, for some reason. But just to make things more clear: "Revan vows to slay his ex-apprentice before Malak's power becomes too great." Canonically speaking, this means that Revan vowed to kill his former apprentice before he could destroy the Jedi and take over the galaxy. "Slay" is usually used to say that you are going to kill someone, but there is no other choice. The only way to stop Malak was to kill him. That was clear in my mind from the very beginning. Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK. After recovering from the duel, Revan seeks out the secret dark outposts he established during the Mandalorian War. Journeying to the Outer Rim in the EBON HAWK, Revan is focused withlocating the source of the dark power on MALACHOR V. This isn't saying that he wanted to use those powers again, but to destroy them, again, canonically speaking. He is focused on finding the dark power again so that he can stop it before another Sith Lord discovers it and trys to take over the galaxy. could be to destroy it but probably not. "But probably not"? Please elaborate on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 So this proves that Revan did something? I think we already knew that. 'Slay' isn't evil, it just depends on what you're slaying. Revan going to where he and his friends used to hang out and chase girls (or boys, depending on what way Revan went/gender), to alternatively destroy it or use it's secrets doesn't sound evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotorfan84 Posted December 27, 2005 Author Share Posted December 27, 2005 I believe that the article was writenn so that it could be interpreted either way, for some reason. But just to make things more clear: "Revan vows to slay his ex-apprentice before Malak's power becomes too great." Canonically speaking, this means that Revan vowed to kill his former apprentice before he could destroy the Jedi and take over the galaxy. "Slay" is usually used to say that you are going to kill someone, but there is no other choice. The only way to stop Malak was to kill him. That was clear in my mind from the very beginning. Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK. After recovering from the duel, Revan seeks out the secret dark outposts he established during the Mandalorian War. Journeying to the Outer Rim in the EBON HAWK, Revan is focused withlocating the source of the dark power on MALACHOR V. This isn't saying that he wanted to use those powers again, but to destroy them, again, canonically speaking. He is focused on finding the dark power again so that he can stop it before another Sith Lord discovers it and trys to take over the galaxy. "But probably not"? Please elaborate on this point. I said probably not b/c they actually refer to Revan as Dark Lord of the Sith Revan. They could've just said Revan succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK, but gave him the tiltle Dark Lord of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Because Revan was the Dark Lord of the Sith before Malak. That is what he is well known for - betraying the Republic as Darth Revan. It never explicitly says that Revan was the Dark Lord of the Sith after he killed Malak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Please, not another "lets get rid of choosing Revan's gender and alignment" thread. Anyways, since you are focusing on this stuff, I agree with the Doctor. It was meant to be left open so that you could determine it either way. You could say Revan was LS and it would work in the chronicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 I thought it was written from an in universe point of view by someone who didn't understand what went on. At any rate the cononical version was decided long ago, LS Male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Are you so certain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 St. George "slayed" a dragon, according to legend. Does that make him evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray_Master Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Maybe I just misread everything =P happens to me alot, but anyway..Star Wars Databank states that Reven was LS Male as the accepted history of the Star Wars EU...but because KOTOR is an expanding RPG means that Revens Role plays on the path the Exile took and will play on the path of the new char in III one Role affects the other so to say "Reven should just be LS Male in the game" or DS or whatever, would take away the building of your char...remember KOTOR is highly based on influence and the role it plays in char develpment.....yes I ramble any way all I'm saying is it is important to be able to decide Reven's path and gender for the development of your char. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Keep going Gray_Master I think you're on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus Q'ol Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ahem, it's an RPG... Revan is who I say he is. What I mean is, the player develops the character, so it matters not what the cover of the game or the comics say. Am I wrong if to me Revan is DS female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 No, not according to the gameplay of KOTOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 But then again TSL basically assumes Revan went LS, with just a few nods to the dark side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterDeath Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 LMFA, close this thread, its just offedening to everything that KOTOR stands for. Choice Period End of Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 But then again TSL basically assumes Revan went LS, with just a few nods to the dark side. Umm...no it doesn't. In fact, the first convo you have about Revan, Atton basically assumes that Revan was DSF. You choose Revan's path. There is no assumption, and if there is, it is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. JediMasterDeath, your post is offensively worded, IMO. If you don't like this thread, don't read it. It's your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Kudos to you! Yes you do decide who Revan is in that conversation with Atton when you first meet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Are you so certain? Yes, we are so certain. From what I understand of your question, you didn't understand what was said. Revan is canonically LS Male. That is how the he is recognized in the Star Wars continuity line. That is not to say that someone who played Revan as DS is an abomination - it's their game, they can play it however they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Ah I see. What do they say about the exile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 It's not official yet, but it is commonly believed that the Exile is going to be canonized as a LS female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone L68362 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 When we say Revan is canonically LS male, we don't mean it should be that way, just that, say you're talking about him, (like I am now) it's more accepted to use him instead of her. In game, Revan is whatever you want, but outside of KOTOR, Revan is accepted as a he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I see, because in my universe, Revan was female LS and the Exile was male, probably DS (I have yet to play it like that). Thanks for that clarification Clone L68362:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoboknight Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 my guess id they are Both LS. All the masters and NPC are always surprised you turn back to the light, and that seems to click more for me. I always figured most those masters thought once you turn to the DS its over for you, yet you prove them wrong. and Kriea was so determined to turn you DS. just my thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Nice thoughts. Welcome to the forum Hoboknight:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantzen Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 If Exile is Darkside there shold be to much chaos in the galaxy, so the Exile is probaly lightside. If Revan is Darkside there sholdent happen so much, he left to the outer rim to fight the true sith. Kreia say fight even if you set Revan as darkside. And im not sure that Kreia is trying to turn you to the darkside, she dont like it when you kill people. And she want to kill the force, not even the sith want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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