The Betrayer Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Which brings another question: Even though it's just a game, how come Heroes can be killed by two soldier-type infantry? (Battlefront II) Like you said, it's just a game. That's for the sake of balance and good game mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 and how in the world d o ewoks, with the upper arm strength of a 10 year old, manage to KILL stormtroopers in full armor by whacking them with sticks and stones? You forget that the stormtroopers are never actually shown to be killed by the ewoks. You also forget the scenes where it shows the ewoks tripping over each other retreating from the AT-STs. Stormtrooper armor itself is designed to protect against shrapnel and the like, not laser fire. Laser-resistant armor would be too expensive or bulky to mass-produce. also what are your thoughts on the battle of endor? even though the emperor was killed, it seems to me like the massive fleet, no matter how incompetent, could have destroyed the rebels. The Empire lost the orbital battle because of the destruction of two command ships: the Executor, which was seen in the movie, and a main communications ship which IIRC was shown in the novelization. The loss of both of them threw the Imperial fleet into disarray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Well, I always think that the stormie armor is designed to be a simple enviro suit as well as anti-blaster protection against small arms and the link. Obviously any blaster and weaponary the rebels are using would be military grade and not the ones used by some simple thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Obviously any blaster and weaponary the rebels are using would be military grade and not the ones used by some simple thugs. Why? Wouldn't the Rebels be using Mafia-esque weaponry instead of military grade stuff? Just because of the simple fact of cost? Military Grade Weaponry is almost always going to cost more than your basic gun that you can pick up at Bill's Gun Store. And, if Stormtrooper Armor is just supposed to be a basic enviro-suit and small arms protection, then why wouldn't the Empire include projectile protection? Slug throwers are still in use by the era of the Empire. (See Galaxies and Book 2 of the Thrawn Trilogy) After all, it costs money to train Stormtroopers, and I'd have to imagine that it costs more to train them than include projectile-protection. --- You forget that the stormtroopers are never actually shown to be killed by the ewoks. You also forget the scenes where it shows the ewoks tripping over each other retreating from the AT-STs. Stormtrooper armor itself is designed to protect against shrapnel and the like, not laser fire. Laser-resistant armor would be too expensive or bulky to mass-produce.[/Quote] I have to contentions to make. First, dealing with the first statement: Sure, they're never shown being killed by Ewoks, but who wants to watch Stormtroopers being killed by blunt trauma? It's not pretty, and it would probably jack the rating of the movies up to the "R" range, instead of the "PG" it got in the States. Also, where do you supposed all those Stormtrooper helmets in the end of RotJ came from? Somehow I don't think that they simply surrendered, and there weren't enough Rebels to be dispatched out to any group of Ewoks that captured Stormtroopers. The raiding party can only consist of -I think- fifteen some people and some supplies -capacity of a Lambda-class shuttle. So, the implied message is that they were killed by Ewoks. Second: Based on what knowledge? I don't have any knowledge about the manufacturing processes involved in Star Wars, nor what it would take to create blaster-resistant armor. But, I still have to think that it costs more to train a new soldier than it would to create good armor. --- Basically it boils down to: The Empire's Evil And Thus Must Have Crappy Hardware Even Though "Only Imperial Stormtroopers Can Create These Accurate Of Blast Points". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 The storm-troopers are the backbone of the Empires "infinate" (accoarding to General Rham Kota ^_^) Army. Things had to be mass produced--and I am sure that even the Empire had somewhat of a budget. You just cannot produce good armor when you have to supply it for so many people, it just costs too much. Yes, they gave good armor to those that were trained extensively and were much more skilled beings that went on covert, dangerous missions. I myself see the stormtrooper armor as essentially an environment suit that regulates temperature, ect. while to an extent, protecting you from the environment around you. It might protect you from light arms fire, and that isn't even saying much. And as someone here said, shrapnel. Makes sense to me. Mind you--this is purely spectulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwannaSauna Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Now imagine if those stormtroopers were Phase III Darktroopers... the BoE would've probably been in the Empire's favor... just probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Actually, a handful of Phase IIs would probably have been more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I have been wondering this for years, and I agree completely. They might as well run around with no armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thread resurrection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Is that a bad thing? ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthwarren Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 in ROTJ does it seem weird to you guys that arrows and laser shots to non-vital parts of the body can kill a stormtrooper with his armor on, while leia takes a hit and shakes it off in a matter of seconds to kill another imperial? and how in the world d o ewoks, with the upper arm strength of a 10 year old, manage to KILL stormtroopers in full armor by whacking them with sticks and stones? sorry if this has been posted before, it seems such a blazingly obvious flaw also what are your thoughts on the battle of endor? even though the emperor was killed, it seems to me like the massive fleet, no matter how incompetent, could have destroyed the rebels. the actors in the ewok suits cant realy hit has hard as real ewoks can in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 the actors in the ewok suits cant realy hit has hard as real ewoks can in real life yeah but i don't think that's what he means. ewoks are weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purifier Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 yeah but i don't think that's what he means. ewoks are weak Yes, that's true scavangerman....but don't forget brave and cunning, they can be smart little suckers when they want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 It isn't useless, it helps the good guys win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Yes, that's true scavangerman....but don't forget brave and cunning, they can be smart little suckers when they want to be. but they still kill troops with sticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purifier Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 but they still kill troops with sticks Yes, and spears, heavy rocks, large rolling logs anything they can use to make a dent in that tough stormtrooper armor. Also, don't forget about the usual traps that the ewoks setup for the stormtroopers. Although everything the Ewoks did was a primitive form of battle, they did the best they could...they improvised. Orignally Posted byGeneralPloKoon It isn't useless, it helps the good guys win! Yeah, that's true too. I remember Luke and Han wearing the stormtrooper armor as disguises to free Leia from the detention block. If that's what you meant by: it helps the good guys win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Yes, and spears, heavy rocks, large rolling logs anything they can use to make a dent in that tough stormtrooper armor. Also, don't forget about the usual traps that the ewoks setup for the stormtroopers. Although everything the Ewoks did was a primitive form of battle, they did the best they could...they improvised. Yeah, that's true too. I remember Luke and Han wearing the stormtrooper armor as disguises to free Leia from the detention block. If that's what you meant by: it helps the good guys win. hehe. i've never thought of it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yeah but it looks cool and thats all that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 well i suppose we will never know... i think they just wanted to make a good movie. the armor is meant to keep out blast bolts but sticks can still kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 and so can rocks and rolling logs... and arrows shot by midgits in furry costumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 but it keeps out blaster bolts... sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purifier Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 and so can rocks and rolling logs... and arrows shot by midgits in furry costumes Originally Posted by Scavangerman34 but it keeps out blaster bolts... sometimes Well.. that's Irony for ya. With that armor - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Anyway, I think it would suck to be a Stormtrooper - at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot#1 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Right on bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Reiper Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I suspect nobody in the Empire cared, especially when you have Imperial Academies like, everywhere, so it's not like they'd ever run out of Stormtroopers. Personally, if I was on Tantive IV, I'd surrender, because although I can bring 8 down (if I was lucky), the annoyance could and would pile up to be too much and topple me over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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