XI33 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Two of my few problems with the kotor series is the fact that the sith are so lame and childish and there are very few times to be cunning as the sith. I mean you cant be a cunning sith like kreia, palpatine and dooku, you can only be a brute like Anakin, Maul and Sion. There should be more dialouge options for using force persuade to manipulate people to do your dirty work, give you somthing and turn them to the dark side. This would realy cut down on the corney factor of the game and give a real sense of true evil. No more of this i dont like you. DIE!!. No more of these lame sith dudes walking around killing people for fun, like mekel and that lame ex-sith teacher in kotor1. QUOTE I do enjoy torturing these wanna be recruits, its great fun. I think ill go for some dinner, it'll be fun to think of them while im gorging my self. END QUOTE. Crap like that is realy common in kotor, do you realy think any real bad guys act like that? its almost like he knows hes evil. Evil people dont think their evil they think their good. Stuff like that realy needs to be fixed for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas77 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I agree that some of the DS PC's lines are cheesy, and there could be some more manipulative dialogue options. But some cheese I found to be fine, especially with Mekel etc. I mean they're arrogant, cocky young Sith students so it would seem perfectly fine for them to act evil and know it. Though I gotta say the cheesiest bit of villainy in KOTOR is Malak's pantomime hand-on-belly-laugh. If he could still grow one I'm sure he'd be twiddling his mustache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XI33 Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 I agree that some of the DS PC's lines are cheesy, and there could be some more manipulative dialogue options. But some cheese I found to be fine, especially with Mekel etc. I mean they're arrogant, cocky young Sith students so it would seem perfectly fine for them to act evil and know it. Though I gotta say the cheesiest bit of villainy in KOTOR is Malak's pantomime hand-on-belly-laugh. If he could still grow one I'm sure he'd be twiddling his mustache. Yeah mekel's ok but hes still a little on the retarded side but that ex-sithteacher, omg he gave me a friggin headake. The sith arn't supposed to think their evil, they can be cocky and arrogant but nobody joins an organisation because they want to be evil, its just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick5770 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I agree that some of the sith were a bit cheesy, there should be some of the good old "Mwahahah, Now I shall kill you" but there should be some sith that just attack you, without talking like "Lord Malak was most displeased when he learned you had escaped Taris alive" but just turn on saber, attempt to kill him, screw the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Shoot first ask questions later is what I prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 The Sith always seemed rather quiet to me. That's what happens after you kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
†Saint_Killa† Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Sith are like saints. I wanna kill'em to shut them up and stop manipulating people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_Walker Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 There's a good point there about Malak's lackies Dark Jedi, at least give those ones seperate lines instead of both of them saying "Lord Malak was most displeased... yadda yadda yadda" and I think Sith should see themselves more as powerful warriors cleasning the galaxy of the weak(even though that seems like Yuuzhan Vong idealogy) than the evil guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'd like the bosses to be a little more complex, but I'm OK with stupid cheesy Sith that I whoop up on on my way to the bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibro Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Two of my few problems with the kotor series is the fact that the sith are so lame and childish and there are very few times to be cunning as the sith. I mean you cant be a cunning sith like kreia, palpatine and dooku, you can only be a brute like Anakin, Maul and Sion. There should be more dialouge options for using force persuade to manipulate people to do your dirty work, give you somthing and turn them to the dark side. This would realy cut down on the corney factor of the game and give a real sense of true evil. No more of this i dont like you. DIE!!. No more of these lame sith dudes walking around killing people for fun, like mekel and that lame ex-sith teacher in kotor1. QUOTE I do enjoy torturing these wanna be recruits, its great fun. I think ill go for some dinner, it'll be fun to think of them while im gorging my self. END QUOTE. Crap like that is realy common in kotor, do you realy think any real bad guys act like that? its almost like he knows hes evil. Evil people dont think their evil they think their good. Stuff like that realy needs to be fixed for the next game. I fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 The Sith of this era were not cunning. They sought open conquest. It wasn't until after the Battle of Ruusan that the Sith directly changed their ways to what we see in the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone L68362 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 While I definitely would like a better option to go DS than "Hand over the credits and you won't get hurt." "Just kidding! Hahaha!" I hope they keep options like this for the unimportant parts, because how manipulative do you have to be if you want a guys credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vader815 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Out of the 4 siths we've had Malak was the only good Sith. We knew nothing of Nihilus, Kreia's sudden change to the dark side was completely un called for, and Sion (I think he goes without saying). Malak had a background and an agenda which the whole game was based on, while TSL's game story had nothing what so every to do with the story, at all. What we need is a single Sith (not two or more), whose agenda is related to the player's agenda (common goal that is directly related), and has a mysteryous relation to the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XI33 Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Out of the 4 siths we've had Malak was the only good Sith. We knew nothing of Nihilus, Kreia's sudden change to the dark side was completely un called for, and Sion (I think he goes without saying). Malak had a background and an agenda which the whole game was based on, while TSL's game story had nothing what so every to do with the story, at all. What we need is a single Sith (not two or more), whose agenda is related to the player's agenda (common goal that is directly related), and has a mysteryous relation to the character. I definatley agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Kreia's sudden change to the dark side was completely un called forWhat was sudden about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I agree. The Sith master who is so clever and skilled to become so powerful should act like it. I liked Nihilus at first. Looked really important and dangerous... 'til I killed him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Chief Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 What was sudden about it? Yeah, I saw it coming a mile away. Maybe put more backstory there and you are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleOfHarpenden Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 well malak had the best story but was a pushover, Trayer dropped to many hints and was weak(FORCE CRUSH!) Sion just wouldent die and Nihilus had no sence,but like Malak they do need a bit m0ore of a back bone if u know what i mean Nihilus should have ruled the galaxy if he wasnt so hungry for like souls(so y not take down the whole galaxy there like 200000000 more out there) they all need more story but a sith who twists the whole galaxy round his finger would be cool like revan did in a way by the mandalorian wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScieX Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 the thing is that nihilus was the coolest Sith in KOTOR II but he was seldom in it. the only scenes he was in were: the betrayal scene the scene when he tells visas to kill the Exile and the final scene where you kill him he had the potential to be the coolest sith in the game if they had tied him into the plot. but then again... what was the plot in KOTOR II?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthZayne Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 bah i dont agree. i like "the way of the sith" , they realy should make a book with that title anyway i love the way maul is . i Read the comic's SW darth maul 1 to 4 . you learn lots more about him . Hes ruthless , and he have a hunger wiout limit . i love him. Anyway you said you like manipulator's then you should Read Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #0 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #1 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #2 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #3 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #4 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith #5 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Fall of the Sith Empire #1 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Fall of the Sith Empire #2 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Fall of the Sith Empire #3 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Fall of the Sith Empire #4 (of 5) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Fall of the Sith Empire #5 (of 5) its about Naga Sadow , he was a pure Sith ( species ) he was the stronger of all sith. and yeah he hes manipulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
†Saint_Killa† Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Two of my few problems with the kotor series is the fact that the sith are so lame and childish and there are very few times to be cunning as the sith. I mean you cant be a cunning sith like kreia, palpatine and dooku, you can only be a brute like Anakin, Maul and Sion. There should be more dialouge options for using force persuade to manipulate people to do your dirty work, give you somthing and turn them to the dark side. This would realy cut down on the corney factor of the game and give a real sense of true evil. No more of this i dont like you. DIE!!. No more of these lame sith dudes walking around killing people for fun, like mekel and that lame ex-sith teacher in kotor1. QUOTE I do enjoy torturing these wanna be recruits, its great fun. I think ill go for some dinner, it'll be fun to think of them while im gorging my self. END QUOTE. Crap like that is realy common in kotor, do you realy think any real bad guys act like that? its almost like he knows hes evil. Evil people dont think their evil they think their good. Stuff like that realy needs to be fixed for the next game.You said every single wrongs about sith in the game. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curse Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 The Sith Lords did have their own agenda, IMO. You just have to dig deep. Regarding the "cheesy sith": The Sith were indeed "brutes" in K1. Malak is a good example. Of the 2, Revan and Malak, Malak was the rash one, Revan was the cunning and intelligent one. (it is mentioned, in K1, that it was Revan's superior tactics that led to victory against the mandalorians.) You want the games to have more "Revans" and less "Malaks"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Lord Revan Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 While I definitely would like a better option to go DS than "Hand over the credits and you won't get hurt." "Just kidding! Hahaha!" I hope they keep options like this for the unimportant parts, because how manipulative do you have to be if you want a guys credits? Amen to that I agree. The Sith master who is so clever and skilled to become so powerful should act like it. I liked Nihilus at first. Looked really important and dangerous... 'til I killed him in a heartbeat. same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbl1 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The worst TSL DS dialogue option. "You, dead" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I would like to see a healthy balance of the two types. Definitely the manipulators and definitely the brutes. In a way, they balance each other out and it makes for an interesting ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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