Ztalker Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I cannot believe that someone, at any age, would put personal information or pics online. I also have to remember that the internet made its preimer when I was 19-20. I had the same thought...i only have a computer since two years. But why don't i act similar to the 'slut' kids then? Imo, it's a matter of how you raise children. Like Renegade Angel pointed out, people are getting younger and younger in this case...and the pedofiles must feel like they are in a candy store when they enter Myspace... When i compare myself to my little brother (also a little 'Myspace-slut), i'm realy amazed. We got internet at the same time, and were raised in the same way. But why am i posting on (semi ) intelligent forums, and is he out to 'pull some bindo' ? That's what bothers me the most... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 At the end of the day. We can complain and debate but it does'nt stop younger people from putting the information about themselves on Myspace. If the people are educated and they know that this leads to danger, then they will do what's smart. To be honest though, i really don't think it is our problem and have no right to point out whats right. They should know, if not then the parents of those children are the ONLY ones to blame when the time comes and the unthinkable happens. Looking at the topic, it's like blaming the whole for the doings of the one, it's stupid. They should have an ounce of sense. Other than that, much harsher punishment should be set upon predators and i mean a good 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Since some parents don't take the time to learn, their children are beacons for trouble. Exactly. Bad Parents mean Bad Children. I've never had any stalkers on my My Space and I would never stalk anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 A lot of this reminds me of the video games make your kids stupid/angry/violent. It's just blame being pointed at the easiest target, simply out of ease and laziness. So the site allows for something bad to happen (so does anything in the outside world), however common sense and a little bit of self-preservation will keep something from happening. Gee a 40 year old guy wants to meet up with you? I wonder what you should do... Note to parents, raise your kid right and the little dumbass won't fall for some stupid crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 The problem comes when the 40 year old SOB fakes being a 14 year old boy and goes trolling to try to hook up with someone who really is a 14 year old. @Herbie-- The criminal is the most responsible, followed by the parents for sure, and the kid who's being incredibly foolish. However, myspace bears some responsibility for not policing their site adequately. I'm not saying drop the site, I'm saying they should clean it up. And yeah, we do have the right to say something. This may not have a direct impact on me (and I hope to God my kids never have to experience something horrible like that). However, this will have an indirect impact on my life. My tax dollars are currently paying the police department and/or feds to have cops hanging out at myspace to trap the criminals. My taxes are going to pay for the pedophile to sit in jail for hopefully the rest of his life once he's caught by the cops. My insurance rates will go up when the insurance has to pay out for all the injuries and the counseling the 14 year old will need after being attacked by the the pedophile. If my taxes go up because I have to pay for a guy to sit in jail, you're darn right I'm going to work on ways to prevent that from happening in the first place. It's far better to put something in place to prevent the crime in the first place than ask for an entire society to have to deal with the consequences after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Angel Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Well Jae, In your example, it'd be more the kid htan anything, its the kid's fault for going out with someone over the internet that could be a 40 year old petiphile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 The problem comes when the 40 year old SOB fakes being a 14 year old boy and goes trolling to try to hook up with someone who really is a 14 year old. Put the fear in them like a parent is supposed to and that becomes a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 @RA--It's the pedophile's fault for committing the crime in the first place. @IS--well, there are better parenting techniques than fear.... People who abuse children are able to do so because children do not always have the ability to recognize when they're being manipulated. It is not hard for an adult to find a vulnerable teen, start talking to them about the most innocent of subjects, build trust, and gradually work their way into more deviant subjects over the course of weeks or months, telling the teen all along the way how much they love them and how their families don't understand them. The teen believes him because s/he's desperate for love for whatever reason. They meet, do their thing, the adult convinces the teen that this really is love, and if the teen tells his/her parents, the adult will have to go to jail and the teen loves him too much to do that to him, right? Or, if the teen tells the parents, the adult will harm the parents and the teen (which pretty much never happens). How many young teens do you know who've studied any kind of psychology or have even enough critical thinking skills to be able to recognize a snow job when they see it? Most are still working on reading, writing, and arithmetic. I was a pretty mature teen at 14, but I was still very susceptible to believing a lot of what adults told me. It took me til college to develop a decent 'crap detector' and even now I still miss things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 @IS--well, there are better parenting techniques than fear.... Firstly "the fear" != fear. It's an old term for being cynical. Basically make the little bastards think before they act. People who abuse children are able to do so because children do not always have the ability to recognize when they're being manipulated. It is not hard for an adult to find a vulnerable teen, start talking to them about the most innocent of subjects, build trust, and gradually work their way into more deviant subjects over the course of weeks or months, telling the teen all along the way how much they love them and how their families don't understand them. The teen believes him because s/he's desperate for love for whatever reason. They meet, do their thing, the adult convinces the teen that this really is love, and if the teen tells his/her parents, the adult will have to go to jail and the teen loves him too much to do that to him, right? Or, if the teen tells the parents, the adult will harm the parents and the teen (which pretty much never happens). How many young teens do you know who've studied any kind of psychology or have even enough critical thinking skills to be able to recognize a snow job when they see it? Most are still working on reading, writing, and arithmetic. I was a pretty mature teen at 14, but I was still very susceptible to believing a lot of what adults told me. It took me til college to develop a decent 'crap detector' and even now I still miss things. Which is the problem, not myspace. People need to take time to teach their kids. It's just like life, you have to teach them how to be able to deal with things on their own, instead of passing the blame for your own shortcomings onto an innocent party. College leaves lots of young women (and sometimes men) prone to date rape and other things, does that mean college is to blame for the issue? No. It just happens to be a time in which some naive people happen to have gotten loose without any common sense and defense of one's self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerec Skywalker Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I would have to blaim both parties and the parents. First on the parents, they need to wake up and get with the program. This is the age of computers and they need to get involved for their kids sake, and stop thinking that they are too old. The kids know better than this, they all know that there are preditors on the net hunting for them. But they put this crap up any ways because it's cool, and every one is doing it. Kids these days are being told about the birds and the bees way too soon. What these kids need is a little scare tactics. As for myspace.com, what the hell are they thinking? When you create any type of website that enables people to post things, then you have the ability to delete and banned any type of unsuitable materials. Why is there **** still on the site that needs to be removed? There are tons of profiles with questionable content, and thus should be removed. Also, we are already having problems with kids in chat rooms being targeted, and we had problems when the first online profile sites started. So why are the people at myspace.com making another site and adding fuel to the fire? There are a lot of profile sites out there, why do we need another? Everyone needs to realize that the internet is the same as standing in a room filled with people. You wouldn't want every one in that room to know that you're scratching your butt, so why do it? It's just like these victims of identity theft. They post there names, addresses, phone numbers, and credit card numbers for anything and everything. And when their identities are stolen they wonder why. What we need to do is 1.) smack some since into these parents. 2.) be more strict on the kids and enforce some control on what they wear, and what they do. 3.) stop giving the kids and peds. an opportunity to post this kind of **** on line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_lord_Cheez Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 While I agree that it is the parent's faults for not teaching their kids the dangers of acting like a bunch of slutty teens, I don't believe that that is the only thing they are doing wrong in this day and age. I know this one girl, who I used to be friends with, whose parents have done everything they could to ensure that she'd grow up to be a great person, free from any type of tempation possible. They never let her sleep with a TV in her room, because they didn't want her to be watching the television all night long and miss out on sleep. They don't want her dating until she's 16 (she's 14 now), because they don't want some guy who says he 'loves her' to ask her out and then take her into a dark alley somewhere and...well... you know. They also have blocked their computer from going to Myspace, because they don't want her to be abducted. The problem with all of this is that now she has dated about 30 some guys since the second grade. (no, I'm not exagerating on that number) She has a myspace account to which she whores herself out on, and she has recently lost her virginity to her 18 year old boyfriend... and she wonders why a lot of her former friends can't stand her anymore. The point is that the adults raising these kids are either a) slacking off, or b) pushing their authority so far that their kids want to rebel any and everyway they can. So I don't think that in every case the parents need to toughen up, in some cases I believe they should tone their tactics down. Don't try and be the kids friend, but don't try to make them think you're a dictator or anything... because they'll only want to defy you more if you do that. Personally, I'm 16 (was held back a year, which is why I'm 2 years older than that girl), and it seems like pretty much everyone older and younger than me are ten times as perverted as I feel they should be. Even my sisters, who were raised the same way as me and are two years younger, are turning out to be little sluts. (pardon my usage of this word if we aren't supposed to use it on these forums, I just can't find a better way to describe what all these people are) But just as it is the parent's fault for not pushing their kids (or pushing them too hard), it's the child's fault for deciding to dress in skimpy clothes, fake their age on myspace, and post revealing pictures of themselves on the internet. And then they wonder why some petofile wanted to rape them. *rolls eyes* kids these days... I really shouldn't be talking because I'm still a teenager, but at least I'm not like these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 *deposits 2 cents into the receptacle* My daughter is 12 years old. She sure as hell does not have a myspace website. She also does not know how to delete internet cache files or clear IE history. She also does not leave my house dressed like some Australian street pimp's nightmare. There is nothing on this planet that pisses me off more (with the possible exception of whiny Quebec separatists) than irresponsible parenting. Granted the internet can make it harder to do the parenting job, but c'mon. Raise your goddamn kids to be able to look after themselves in the real world. BTW, my kid's internet acitivity is invariably fansites of Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Avatar (and any other Japanese show featuring pointy-chinned, saucer-eyed anime characters), and I've probably got about 10 gigs of Avatar videos set to Evanescence songs downloaded from youTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 *deposits 2 cents into the receptacle* My daughter is 12 years old. She sure as hell does not have a myspace website. She also does not know how to delete internet cache files or clear IE history. She also does not leave my house dressed like some Australian street pimp's nightmare. There is nothing on this planet that pisses me off more (with the possible exception of whiny Quebec separatists) than irresponsible parenting. Granted the internet can make it harder to do the parenting job, but c'mon. Raise your goddamn kids to be able to look after themselves in the real world. BTW, my kid's internet acitivity is invariably fansites of Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Avatar (and any other Japanese show featuring pointy-chinned, saucer-eyed anime characters), and I've probably got about 10 gigs of Avatar videos set to Evanescence songs downloaded from youTube. At least it's not Naruto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 10 gigs? I feel your pain, Mace. I have to listen to endless discussions of the merits of Super Diaper Baby, Capt. Underpants, which animals the Wonderpets saved that day, and how Matoran change into Toa. And, for the most part, I listen attentively because their excitement is rather infectious and communication is A Good Thing. Every now and then, I pray for the phone to ring or some other distractor to happen to get me the heck out of there because I've reached my quota of Wonderpets songs for the day. Have you noticed (if you go clothes shopping at all with your daughter) that it is getting harder to find tasteful clothing for even young girls? I'm starting to see clothing that I consider entirely inappropriate for elementary school girls. I'm not opposed to myspace, btw. I am opposed to them not taking care of their own site. I think it's irresponsible not to remove inappropriate content. If they took care of it right, I'd have much less of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You're talking about personally looking at well over several millions of profiles. No thanks, personal responsibility should be the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You're talking about personally looking at well over several millions of profiles. No thanks, personal responsibility should be the key. As it stands, MySpace doesn't really even regulate what's on their server. Hell, even on /b/ you can be banned and there are rules that are enforced. MySpace has almost no actual restrictions on what can be uploaded to their servers, embedded into a profile, or linked to in a profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You're talking about personally looking at well over several millions of profiles. No thanks, personal responsibility should be the key. That's the point--we're talking about people who obviously have abdicated their personal responsibility and put a bunch of crap up there. It's not that hard to set up a filter for certain words so that you don't have to look at every single thing. At least you catch some of the worst stuff that way. It won't take long for word to get around that people are getting booted off of myspace for content/language/etc. I wonder what the odds are on how long it'll be before they get sued. The cops don't seem to have a problem scanning through all the profiles to catch the sickos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The cops don't seem to have a problem scanning through all the profiles to catch the sickos. It's their job and their reponsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 It's their job and their reponsibility.And it's the job of MySpace's admins to keep their servers free of illegal content, like nude pictures of 15 year-old girls who think it's cool to upload pictures of themselves onto the internet. Or the 30 year-old pedophiles who who try to get dates in real life with the aforementioned girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And it's the job of MySpace's admins to keep their servers free of illegal content, like nude pictures of 15 year-old girls who think it's cool to upload pictures of themselves onto the internet. And for the most part, they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And for the most part, they do.You'd be suprised how much they miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You'd be suprised how much they miss. Not really, but then again I really don't care. Personally if these kids are stupid enough to do this, they need to learn somehow. Sadly it may take a few of them getting kidnapped and molested/raped to signal to them that "gee, maybe some of the things I do aren't such a grand idea.". Some people require dramatic events to spark them into common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Not really, but then again I really don't care. Personally if these kids are stupid enough to do this, they need to learn somehow. Sadly it may take a few of them getting kidnapped and molested/raped to signal to them that "gee, maybe some of the things I do aren't such a grand idea.". The sad thing is some people require dramatic events to spark them into common sense. I don't really care either, but just because I don't give a damn it doesn't mean MySpace is off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I don't really care either, but just because I don't give a damn it doesn't mean MySpace is off the hook. Consent form does, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Consent form does, though.They have an obligation to moderate it to some extent. They can't let a bunch of CP sit on their hard drives no matter how many checkbox controls its users tick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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