HerbieZ Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I believe in aliens, trillions of planets in the uniuverse, there is no doubt there has got to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sith'ari Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I think everyone here believes there're aliens. Because we all enjoy KotOR and we love Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 @Chow, Preach it sister:D Silly Iggy:D My point was that just because a race was "highly advanced" it doesn't make them a collective of sentimental hugseekers. I don't remember who said what, but I was only making a point, don't fool yourself into thinking you were the center of my philosophical universe:lol: @Chainz, I'd consider an alien races level of pacifism/aggression an important (most important) part of a discussion about them. For my part, my post wasn't about derailing the topic towards a pro/anti-war spamfest it was simply to suggest that an alien society may be warlike. I just hope that, if we do come into contact with beings from another planet, they are insanely sexy, genetically compatible, and have relatively similar "docking ports":naughty: If not, I hope they at least taste good deep fried with extra gravy and Mountain Dew:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I do believe that their exists another form of life SOMEWHERE in the universe, but i highly doubt it is in our galaxy. But then again, there is no proof for nothing. We only know 2 things: 1.) The universe has billions of galaxies with billions of stars which grants billions of possibilities that on one of them life exists. 2.) We have not found anything so far. I believe, in our galaxy we are the only advanced form of life. In other galaxies there may be aliens, but they are out of our reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 either that, or they dont want to communicate with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Silly Iggy My point was that just because a race was "highly advanced" it doesn't make them a collective of sentimental hugseekers. I don't remember who said what, but I was only making a point, don't fool yourself into thinking you were the center of my philosophical universe What do ya mean? It's common knowledge that the entire universe revolves around me! Seriously now, I agree with that one about technologically advanced species not being ''sentimental hugseekers'', I think I've said something similar myself. I was simply upset by that other part of your post, the on where you say: ''If it wasn't for the ''World Wars'' we'd probably still be using zeppelins...'' In my opinion it would be better to wait a few years to invent some things than kill millions of people and invent them right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I do believe that their exists another form of life SOMEWHERE in the universe, but i highly doubt it is in our galaxy. But then again, there is no proof for nothing. We only know 2 things: 1.) The universe has billions of galaxies with billions of stars which grants billions of possibilities that on one of them life exists. 2.) We have not found anything so far. I believe, in our galaxy we are the only advanced form of life. In other galaxies there may be aliens, but they are out of our reach. This is forgetting that only now (very right now) are we even capable of discerning if stars even have planets orbiting them, and are only thus far able to detect the largest variety of gas giant. And that's just the star systems in our little local area. For all we know, millions of civilizations could have flourished and passed in our galaxy over the last few billion years, and all the electromagnetic traffic from these would have died away before humans were still learning to walk upright. Moreover, there could be a great deal of communication that we just can't make out over the general mish-mash of radiation in the galaxy. Remember, when a tv or radio antenna transmits a signal, you need a tv or radio to decode the signal at the other end. Right now, we could very well be receiving alien transmissions, but without a frame of reference to translate the signal, it could be like plugging an HDTV signal into a 16" 1970's Soviet-copy electrohome. @ RJM: This line of thought is still making (IMHO) the fundamental mistake of applying our development on Earth to a species that could be utterly different from our own. It's the "Well, this is how things work here, so it must be that way somewhere else, too." kind of thing. Yes, I grant that they might well be hostile. I also think it equally likely that they won't be. Until an extraterrestrial species deigns to make contact with us, we're never going to know. But then even assuming that our course of technological development parallels that of other species, we are now entering a critical phase of development. We are destroying our environment to the point where the planet may be uninhabitable within a few hundred years, and we might just wipe ourselves out through warfare (nuclear, chemical, biological, Bush or bin Laden pushes the wrong button, etc) well before that. If any species has a development that resembles our own, they must leave this phase of societal development without becoming extinct if they are to progress to a spacefaring civilization. This is why people generally think advanced species will probably be peaceful. It's not that they can't fight, it's that they've learned not to. *edit* "Geocentric". That's the word I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 In my opinion it would be better to wait a few years to invent some things than kill millions of people and invent them right away. Well Duh! Just because it isn't the preferred way of doing it doesn't mean that some alien race couldn't have gained technological experience rapidly through conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 You're losing me now. I thought that when you mentioned technollogical advancement through conflict, you were refering only to humans, I guess I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terran I Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 What I hear from you is that all aliens are material! And you think that there is no life in our galaxy! What you think that there is no life on the Sun? Well not human life, but something that can endure that environment! But maybe our species have developed first in the universe! Before I forget who told you that humans are intelligent? We talk if the aliens exist, but do we exist? My mind exists but what about my body, world around me? How do you know that there are another planets, because someone has told you so! How do you know that the Earth is round, because someone told you so! If there are aliens or if there aren't I see no difference I still can't leave this planet, and if could where would I go? I can't breathe on most planets, and how can I communicate with aliens if I meet them? Maybe they can't talk like Us, or see like Us, or touch like Us. So to conclude this WHY should I care, Ohh maybe Your Gods are aliens did you think about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 like i said before, keep this discussion off Gods and on aliens, or it can turn nasty. and im sure that nothing can survive the sun's heat. and even if it could, there would be no walking surface for it because the sun is made of gas . and also, the guy would need some seriously strong sunglasses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terran I Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 They are probably not HUMANOIDS, and they may not have EYES, or they are not material so they don't need surface to walk on, or maybe they are PSI beings and they don't mind the heat!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 We're getting to philosophical here. The point is obvious, we have no idea what kinds of intelligent life exist out there, but we, or at least most of us are convinced that it exists. And that's all this thread is about - do we believe in aliens and why? (Or if we don't why not?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Well we could summarize everything said here: We actually do not know anything. What about aliens, who are right among us, but they are in another dimension, we are unable to realize they are here, and so are they. Maybe they are Angels. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 .....Im an alien!FEAR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Onasi Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I don't believe in the existance of alians, and I'll tell you why. . . God loved us enough to create a place perfect for us to live. So why is it so hard to believe that he could have created the entire Universe just for us to explore? Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Further on in the first chapter of Genesis, it states all of the things God created. Ailens or life forms beyond are own planet are not amongst them. I am not underestimating God in any way, but I believe that he created the entire galaxy just for us. This is my own belief, and I am in no way forcing it on anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 There are billions of planets in the universe. The likelihood that Earth is the only place where life, intelligent or otherwise, has occurred is extremely unlikely. So, I'll go with "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 @Iggy, I was using human conflicts as examples. What I hear from you is that all aliens are material! And you think that there is no life in our galaxy! What you think that there is no life on the Sun? Well not human life, but something that can endure that environment! Or they could have an entire civilization (not technically aliens in this sense though) that exists on the same planet as ours and they just aren't technologically advanced enough to see us, or us them. But maybe our species have developed first in the universe! Well, if you buy the creationist timeline of only 4-10,000 yrs (which I assume you don't) then all life in the universe might be fairly on par. And if God did in fact create earth then he wouldn't be from it and could be defined as alien, so what? Everything is alien. *Snip* @RC, 1. You're not a moderator. 2. The "God stuff" mentioned so far is a relative facet of this discussion. 3. Duh! Like Terran said, they probably wouldn't have the same physical makeup as we do. @Vaelestraz, Angels would be aware of our existence. @Raven, I've never seen anything in the Bible which states specifically that we are alone. Of course it's possible that the universe is a gift of entertainment, but there's no proof that there aren't any other lifeforms in the universe which God loves equally. *Snip* Removed refrences to deleted posts... -RH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I have majorly pruned this thread... as an 'issue' broke out from some 'statements' made. @RC, 1. You're not a moderator. Well I don't see him acting as one... I see a poster that simply wants to keep a thread from being closed. Discussions of Religon or Politics are a sure-fire way to a closed thread. I'm placing this thread on a last-legs warning, any further inflammitory statements towards anothers posts/beliefs and this thread is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terran I Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I apologize for the unsults I have made!!! I wanted to say that maybe we are aliens, maybe we came from different world and colonized this one. We don't remember how we came to exist. So anything is possible. And if we can't see something it doesn't mean it is not there. Maybe we live with them but we can't see/recognize them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic666 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I wanted to say that maybe we are aliens, maybe we came from different world and colonized this one. We don't remember how we came to existVery good Terran those other humans don't seem too bright to realize this themselves... even though I did say almost the same thing in an earlier thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Actually I've heard of this assumption on a number of science shows, though it wasn't referring specifically to humans, but to all life on Earth. It is possible that a meteor that hit Earth long ago brought some kind of simple, one-celled organism with it. That organism could have multiplied, mutated and evolved on our planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 i could go with that, because i dont understand it when the scientists say that life just formed like that. it seems to complicated for and organism to just...start to exist like that. and the meteor could probably explain the pacific ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Not going to quote people in case they've been deleted by the time this gets through the system. As for non-corporeal alien life floating around in the Sun and other dimensions (ie alien life as Gods, Angels, spirits, etc) well, we've got the Sun and the planets in the inner solar system here pretty well scoped out by now. If we can't spot them on our planet or the Sun with all of our modern instruments then the only way we're going to know they're there is by them making contact with us, which they don't seem to be in a hurry to do. We're getting all metaphysical here and dragging in religion, philosophy and politics, and before L Ron Hubbard-style nutball stuff comes into this, what I think we as a species are looking for is something we can all universally percieve with our senses and say, "See that? That's a transmission/space station/planetary structure/Kill-O-Zap death ray generator there in the telescope/fossil record/atmosphere that we, humans, definitely didn't create." Faith and intuition just aren't the same things as proof. @Raven_Onasi: What if we end up wiping ourselves out in the next little while? Man, if I were God and I created the Galaxy/Universe just for us and we snuffed it, I'd be pissed off royal. "Great. I made this whole place for these little morons, and they've all been buried under mountains of disposal diapers and rubbish. NOW what am I going to do for entertainment over the next 20 billions years...?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 he said that it is his belief and he's not forcing it on anyone, so i don't see any reason for anybody to bring up scenarios about that, unless you want this thread locked. although, in SW it seems there is a great hyperspace barried on the edge of the galaxy, preventing hyperspace travel through it. the Outbound Flight project was sent to try and breach this barrier under sublight speeds. could there be a hyperspace barrier around our galaxy that's preventing other species from running in? you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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