Windu Chi Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I ask this question, because for those of you out their who have forgoten about the Holocuast, God let millions of his suppose children die in all the most dispitcable and horriable ways in the Death Camps while those undeserving victims cry out to that f**ker GOD. And that bastard did'nt do a damn thing to stop the murders of millions of people. Also I will like to see the Christens explain that about there beloved God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Sidenote: It's probably a good idea to try and clean up your grammar and spelling, at least so people will take your ideas seriously. It's a good skill to have, really. Anyway, I suppose the answer to your question really depends on what evil could be. It could be said that God doesn't wish evil upon us, as he allows good acts to come to fruition as much as he allows the evil acts to. Of course, if simply God was indifferent to our needs, is that evil? Many humans, much like you and I, tend to be rather apathetic towards the underprivleged and the oppressed; sure, we may casually argue for their rights and feel some sort of sympathy towards them, but when push comes to shove we rarely help them with tangible actions. Of course, should God be omnipotent, aren't we all merely ants to him in a very large universe? Look at how we treat insects; kill them en masse without very much remorse or guilt. I'm sure to whatever God is out there, we appear of the same shape, size, and importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Just read the Bible (yes - including the Old Testament), and don't read it with the idea in your head that "this is the good book, it is so wonderful." Read it like you would a fiction book - which is what it is - and see if you still think that the Abrahamic god is such a nice forgiving guy. That whole flooding the earth and killing little children, constantly starting wars between various barbaric tribes, telling people to sack villages, kill all the men and rape all the virgins and enslave all the children, etc. I don't worship genocidal maniacs that have an ego as big as the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Richard Dawkin's documentary (see the "Is religion evil?"-thread) points out some more dubious stuff in the Bible. Like how you are to stone to death whoever invites you to worship a foreign God. Or this story about how a man visited a village and was allowed to stay the night at a farmer's house. In the middle of the night, two men show up at the door and ask the farmer to produce his guest, so that they "may know him" (what that means, I don't really want to know). The farmer begs them not to do such an evil thing, and instead offers them his daughter. "Don't hurt my guest, he's a man! Here, rape my daughter instead!". Yes sir, there are some really, really good morals in the Bible. As for him allowing wars, slaughters, mud-slides, tsunamis, and catastrophic vulcanic eruptions to happen: If a human did a fraction of the things the loving Christian God did, he'd have been executed for mass murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Allen`` Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I think the Christian view is that the Devil would try and portray God as evil so that people will not follow him. As for me, there is a lot of questions pretaining to God and the Bible, not just in light of the holocaust but many things, such as why he is allowing the situation in the Middle East. I think the answer is he has given free will to humans, and if he were to intercede at every turn we would not have that free will. But that doesn't explain all the times he has stepped in before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I think the answer is he has given free will to humans, and if he were to intercede at every turn we would not have that free will.Actually, yes we would. Let me explain what I'm trying to say here: Let's say you're a parent in charge of a kid. If you don't care for your kid and watch over it, the child will first be in an accident because you neglected him and let him walk out of the house and onto the street. At the age of ten, he'll get robbed because you let him be out late at night. At the age of nineteen, he'll be a drug dealer (you never asked him what he was doing out there and how he got all the money he has). At twenty-four, he lets his anger out on an innocent woman by beating her to death. Now, given that, is it better to stop him from facing and doing all those things, or to let him exercise his free will and "learn from his mistakes"? I know that if I had created a child, I'd have kept him away from trouble the best I could so he wouldn't turn out as messed-up as he did. He'd be less free, but it'd be worth it all the way. Likewise with God. What if we aren't allowed to rape, murder, rob, lie, steal, torture and start world wars. I think I'll be just fine, thank you very much. I'd rather have a long life without anything bad happening to me (thanks to a mythological entity directing everything like a veteran Air-traffic controller) than a short, free messed-up one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I know that if I had created a child, I'd have kept him away from trouble the best I could so he wouldn't turn out as messed-up as he did. Or you could do what god did... drown your kids once they started doing bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Yes. This thread kinda fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Remember, the physical body is only temporary. Its the soul that is really you, God could allow the doing away with this shell to enhance the person inside in the eternal long run. If I was a parent and I repeatedly tell a child not to touch the stove but he keeps going to it and touching it anyway, I might allow him one time to touch the stove so even though he is temporarily hurt he would follow instructions better next time to save himself from bigger trouble. A better example, in the sw universe it was the will of the force to allow Anakin to fall to the dark side and kill many many padawans and such and Lucas allowed uncle and aunt Owen and many jawas to be murdered for a greater good and Yoda asks jedis not to grieve for those joining the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Or this story about how a man visited a village and was allowed to stay the night at a farmer's house. In the middle of the night, two men show up at the door and ask the farmer to produce his guest, so that they "may know him" (what that means, I don't really want to know). The farmer begs them not to do such an evil thing, and instead offers them his daughter. "Don't hurt my guest, he's a man! Here, rape my daughter instead!". Yes sir, there are some really, really good morals in the Bible. Brick Testament for the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 If I was a parent and I repeatedly tell a child not to touch the stove but he keeps going to it and touching it anyway, I might allow him one time to touch the stove so even though he is temporarily hurt he would follow instructions better next time to save himself from bigger trouble.But humans have a tendency of not learning at all. How long have we been at war with each others? Since the beginning. Are we still fighting? Yup. As soon as we could, we started a globe-engulfing conflict. And hurting yourself because you do something stupid is one thing, hurting another person (raping, waging war, etc.) is another thing. And, of course, it's one thing to burn your hand on a hot stove. It's another to, say, get run over by a car. If my kid keeps playing in the street and nearly getting run over, should I just let him get hit by a big truck once so that he learns, never mind both his legs are crushed? There's also the argument that "parents need to let their kids make mistakes, as they can't watch over them all the time". Well, God can and does watch over you all the time (or at least he would if he existed), and seeing he's Almighty, it's no effort for him to protect you, so that analogy fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*bAsTiLaJeEdAi* Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Do you guys make an art out of offending people? In case you hadnt realised there are Christians in this forum. my friend has just come back from Egypt and there has been so much salvation there. people who cry out to God are saved. Ask and it shall be given to you. It makes my blood boil when ignorant people come and start demeaning God when they know very little about him, so next time voice your opinion but dont go calling him a f**ker God or whatever. And I am not being biased because I have had doubts myself but then I see all the good he does firsthand and my faith is restored. We can barely begin to understand God. All I know is that he loves us, and if we cry out to him he will save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Or this story about how a man visited a village and was allowed to stay the night at a farmer's house. In the middle of the night, two men show up at the door and ask the farmer to produce his guest, so that they "may know him" (what that means, I don't really want to know). The farmer begs them not to do such an evil thing, and instead offers them his daughter. "Don't hurt my guest, he's a man! Here, rape my daughter instead!". Yes sir, there are some really, really good morals in the Bible. This is a retelling of what happened, not a moral to be followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Ask and it shall be given to you. Or maybe I could help myself and save time and face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Do you guys make an art out of offending people? In case you hadnt realised there are Christians in this forum. my friend has just come back from Egypt and there has been so much salvation there. people who cry out to God are saved. Ask and it shall be given to you. It makes my blood boil when ignorant people come and start demeaning God when they know very little about him, so next time voice your opinion but dont go calling him a f**ker God or whatever. And I am not being biased because I have had doubts myself but then I see all the good he does firsthand and my faith is restored. We can barely begin to understand God. All I know is that he loves us, and if we cry out to him he will save us. There's plenty of people within the Middle East crying out to God. There's plenty of people within Africa crying out to God. There's a bunch of people everywhere on the Earth crying out to God. Does he save them all? Perhaps only the ones of a certain arbitrary faith? Clearly, he lets some die...surely there would be at the very least a few who had cried out to him? Maybe I'm cynical, but to me, whenever I see good within the world I see a human behind it. Whenever I see evil within the world, I see a human behind it. You could say that God is behind the impetus of every charitable person in the world...but doesn't that mean our actions are meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*bAsTiLaJeEdAi* Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 No I guess it is humans. I replied earlier out of impulse.hehe I guess I sounded like sounded like some crazy person =). Its just that I love God. I lived in Africa for most of my life, and there are a lot of terrible things there but there is also alot of good, and I have seen people being saved because of church and God. This one man died in my church and a couple of hours later after much praying he got up and walked again. It was kind of creepy but it was also quite awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 This one man died in my church and a couple of hours later after much praying he got up and walked again. It was kind of creepy but it was also quite awesome. That is physically impossible, he couldn't have been dead, maybe in a comatose state but not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 All I know is that he loves us, and if we cry out to him he will save us. Prove it. I'll take your lack of response as a "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windu Chi Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Do you guys make an art out of offending people? It makes my blood boil when ignorant people come and start demeaning God when they know very little about him, so next time voice your opinion but dont go calling him a f**ker God or whatever. And I am not being biased because I have had doubts myself but then I see all the good he does firsthand and my faith is restored. We can barely begin to understand God. All I know is that he loves us, and if we cry out to him he will save us. I will called that f**ker what I want I hate that pice of s**h. Also if you defend that thing so much can you justified it's lack of care to 11 million souls who perish in the Holocaust that had ask for salvation in the Death Camps. Or you want ignore the Holocaust like other christians do because that f**ker did'nt care what happen there. Also I am tired of you christans also talking of Armageddon if you want it to happen to keep to yourselves because I doubt most sane people on this planet want to hear about that crap. I for one want to travel the galaxy not see it end in destuction like your kind do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Wow another untelligible post, did someone forget to mail me my decoder ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Windu, dude, you need to chill out. Every single one of your posts on this board has been in an angry "I'M MAD AT THE WORLD!! YARRR!" tone. Seriously... it's an internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Yes. This thread kinda fails. If Skin wants to clean this thread up and re-open or anything, he can. I however think this thread can eat **** and die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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