legend222 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Who do you think should be the main character? The man who risked his life on a mssion to stop his former student and save the Galaxy - former Sith Lord and current Jedi Knight Revan or the woman who risked everything to save the Jedi and Galaxy the Jedi Exile? (by cannon Revan is a Light side male and the Exile is a Light side female) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balderdash Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I think they should ignore canon since it defeats the object of playing a role-playing game. And we should have a new PC and a whole new plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 The new PC should be.. hm..ah yes. A promising padawan, 110 years after Kotor II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I think this Thread is if the PC is forced to be either Revan or the Exile (I admit I want a new, intresting PC). If I had to choose, it would be the Exile, because I prefer his/her (Please note I prefer the Exile as a female and Revan a male) mysterious past and adventure in TSL. It makes sense for the Exile to star searching for Revan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 New pc who ends up finding Revan and Exile and joining them in their struggle against the true Sith. Optional gender and alignment for both any current and previous pc, just as in TSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiEND_138 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Anyone but Revan or the Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm hoping for Revan, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend222 Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well personaly don't want another new charachter. I prefer to return with Revan after all he was the original protagonist and I still think there is more to know about his past. Kreia said she didn't know anything about his parents or where he was born (she did say that he could have been born in the unknown regions). I don't think that there is much more to learn about the Exile we know all about what happend at Malachor V. And if we have a new PC it would cause some problems. First is that he/she will never meet the Exile or Revan because the game has no idea what they look like, are they male or female, are they LS or DS... . So they would probably kill them ( that seems imposible considering their Power) which I think would suck. There are to many problems with a new PC so I think that we should play with one of the original protagonists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Anyone but Revan or the Exile. QFE! It just would be far too difficult to have our main character be either Revan or The Exile again. Not to mention if the story was going to be about Revan we would have played Revan in TSL. Revan and the Exile's stories are complete... their fates are the only things left to find out, but even that isn't that important, and even revealing to us their 'final' endings might be a bad move anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend222 Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 And why is that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 And why is that ? You can't reveal things that could potentially irritate your players... always a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend222 Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 I supose so but I would like to finish the series and with Revan since I simply like him more that I do any other EU character. I used to like the Exile just as much as I did Revan but when they made her a female she got a little bit boring to me ( I still like her but not nearly as much as Revan). And they have already anoyed me when they gave Revan and the Exile an official gender and made them both LS( I prefer LS but having a cannon ending ruins the purpose of being able to choose a side). Besides I don't think there is going to be a new PC since there aren't any Jedi and Sith left and if there are they are in hiding ( and wouldn't know where Revan and the Exile went). I think that K3 would focus on the exploits of Revan and the Exile in the Unknown Regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawaluv Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Perhaps the new PC would be one of the new padawans from Disciple's new Jedi Order sent to investigate what went on (LS) or maybe looking for the dark Sith secrets (DS) ... and maybe even a new master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Kavar Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I've said this before, but I still feel it's true so I'll say it again. I think the new PC should be a Padawan in the fledgling new Jedi Order, rebuilding no more than five to ten years after the end of TSL's. New character means a clean slate to work from, and as a Padawan you have a lot of work to do to rebuild the ruined reputation of the Jedi Order. (or learn the secrets of the scattered Sith...) Also this way we can see what became of Revan and the Exile's allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 ( I prefer LS but having a cannon ending ruins the purpose of being able to choose a side). You are taking that incorrectly, there is no 'canon' ending as the LA statement of Revan being a LSM and the game itself are the same level of canon so one can't really override the other. The statement is necissary for other EU writers to have as a guideline, nothing more. The same applies to the Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 QFE! It just would be far too difficult to have our main character be either Revan or The Exile again. Agreed. Not to mention if the story was going to be about Revan we would have played Revan in TSL. That seems like a circular argument to me. I mean, couldn't we just as well argue that if the Exile was to be the protagonist of KotOR2, then we should have heard about him in KotOR1? No, I don't want Revan or Exile as the protagonist of KotOR3 either, but the fact that the Exile was the protagonist of TSL doesn't sound like a compelling argument for me that Revan couldn't be the protagonist of KotOR3. If that's what the LA and the writers of that plot want, then they can certainly do it, even dispite the difficulties involved. Revan and the Exile's stories are complete... their fates are the only things left to find out, but even that isn't that important, and even revealing to us their 'final' endings might be a bad move anyway. My interpretation of the ending of TSL suggests something completely different. No, I don't think the protagonist of KotOR3 will be Revan or the Exile, but I'm almost certain we'll see them again. If not, then what's the point of leaving Revan's fate and the Exile's quest to find him completely open? It looked like plot hook for the next game to me. I mean, look at the size of that thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 QFE! It just would be far too difficult to have our main character be either Revan or The Exile again. Not to mention if the story was going to be about Revan we would have played Revan in TSL. Revan and the Exile's stories are complete... their fates are the only things left to find out, but even that isn't that important, and even revealing to us their 'final' endings might be a bad move anyway. No more than so with a character whose back-story is related to previous events, or in fact to the problems of explaining such events themselves even beyond the context of the PC's backstory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Revan and the Exile's stories are complete... their fates are the only things left to find out, but even that isn't that important, and even revealing to us their 'final' endings might be a bad move anyway. Complete or not, I've grown attached to Revan and the Exile. Don't you lose all traces of sentimentality after playing enough RPGs, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 For me, Revan, and Exile is in your party, and at the end, Exile turns evil and you have to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 I want a new player character. Still, I'd like to see Revan and maybe the exile, but not play as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbl Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Have Revan and/or the Exile as the PC or Party Member, is like thinking of the best idea ever and doing the complete opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sith'ari Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 That seems like a circular argument to me... New pc who ends up finding Revan and Exile and joining them in their struggle against the true Sith. Optional gender and alignment for both any current and previous pc, just as in TSL. Jediphile always seems to be able to make sensible arguments and suggestions... are you a lawyer or something? I also think a new PC is the best way to go... and in his/her journey we reveal revan and exile's fates. Best to be able to interact with them. Leaving their fates unresolved and unknown would leave me an empty feeling, as would to many KotOR fans out there. Perhaps it's only me, but I was inclined to look for clues of K1 characters (Revan, Bastila, etc) while I was running through K2. It's still Revan who has the ultimate appeal... for me. No matter what, he's undeniably the thread in the KotOR series that links everything together. It just sounds out of line by logical thinking, and heart-breaking by the emotional entanglement that I have for the KotOR series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Architect Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Who should be the PC of KotOR III? Revan or the Exile? Umm...how about neither of them? If I were forced to choose between them, I would chose the Exile. But how would I make the Exile the main PC of KotOR III again you ask? Well, first, you have to take these things into consideration.... A) The Exile is far too powerful to be the main character again... B) The KotOR games are CRPG's, how can we start as the Exile if he/she has already made his/her choices in KotOR II? It just doesn't add up... C) The Exile's alignment could be anywhere between '100% LS - 100% DS', so what are you supposed to do if we start out as the Exile again in KotOR III with that alignment issue? D) What about those who haven't played KotOR and/or KotOR II? Aren't they going to be confused as hell and alienated if they have to play as the Exile? E) It's pretty much implied in KotOR II that regardless, the Exile ventures fourth into the unknown regions alone and will go searching for Revan. Now, is it just me, or does a KotOR III game featuring the Exile as the main character again during the search for Revan sound a lot more like an action/adventure Jedi academy style game and a lot less like a CRPG like the last two KotOR's were? We want KotOR III, not JA: KotOR III...right? F) Any explanation (even if it's really good and convincing) about how the Exile lost his/her powers again is still not going to change the fact that it would be lame as hell and would suck beyond belief. It has 'corny' written all over it... So, we have a lot of problems here don't we? Well, I don't know about you folks, but my creative mind can certainly think of a good story for KotOR III in which the Exile goes searching for Revan and has plenty of LS/DS/Neutral choices in the game and has a real 'CRPG' experience, in other words, it would be a story suitable for a CRPG where you have main-quests and side-quests with variable ways to solve them. So if I am capable of doing it, I'm sure a professional writer could handle it, right? So that solves problem B and E in my book. Now, first of all, I would alert the player that if they haven't played KotOR and/or KotOR II before, they shouldn't be really playing the game, as they will become confused and alienated by the events that occur in the plot. That solves problem D. They have been warned. Then, I would let the player know that they are customizing the Exile again in the character creation menu, so they know that they're not customizing a new character. You can do this by simply leaving the character's name fixed as 'The Exile' and not allowing the player to select a name for the character. Then I'd let the player fully customize their level 25-50 (you choose where you want the level to be) Exile in terms of gender, class, lightsaber type, lightsaber colour, clothing, gear, feats, skills, stats, force powers and so on, and with the Exile's alignment, you could place it anywhere between '100% LS - 100% DS' in the alignment bar. You choose. That's problem C solved. Now, we start out as an uber-powerful freak (anywhere between level 25-50) but instead of losing your powers again, what if the 'True Sith' have this special technique where they can suppress the Force from you to a certain degree which would reduce your ability to use the Force? But the catch is, the 'True Sith' can only suppress the Force from their enemies (or people that don't live in the unknown regions (visitors)) just once. They don't have to come up to you and suppress you from the Force. It can just happen to you by simply venturing fourth into their territory. And as time progresses, the repression begins to get weaker and will die away eventually. For the repression to die away of course, the Exile would have to seek someone out who can help him/her battle the repression faster than per usual. So, you haven't lost your powers again, it's just that your ability to use the Force decreases greatly (to level one at the start) and as time goes by (in the case of a CRPG, you gain experience points and as the story/game progresses) you begin to return to that uber-powerful freak you were at the start of the game. The only catch is, you wouldn't be able to choose your force-powers, feats, skills and stats again, as you are not gaining new powers or are becoming more powerful, you're just slowly returning to the high level character you once were, as the special repression becomes weaker. That's problem A and F solved. Sound okay? Or something like that anyway. But like I've said; we should be going a new main character in KotOR III... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 My interpretation of the ending of TSL suggests something completely different. No, I don't think the protagonist of KotOR3 will be Revan or the Exile, but I'm almost certain we'll see them again. If not, then what's the point of leaving Revan's fate and the Exile's quest to find him completely open? It looked like plot hook for the next game to me. I mean, look at the size of that thing!! The Exile going off after Revan is simply a way to get the focus off of this character and to allow a new one in a possible K3, OE did the same with Revan in TSL. I do agree though that there are some questions that remain to be answered in the next game, but that is their whole purpose. No more than so with a character whose back-story is related to previous events, or in fact to the problems of explaining such events themselves even beyond the context of the PC's backstory. Huh? Complete or not, I've grown attached to Revan and the Exile. Don't you lose all traces of sentimentality after playing enough RPGs, though? Attached or no, we aren't likely going to play them or see them. I loved the Revan character but I realise that Revan's 'day in the sun' is over. But I see I'm creating a stir here so I'll cease now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Huh? Any new character will have to have some background in the previous two games, regardless of whether they were the main character or not, which will confuse new players anyway. Couple that with the mysterious memory-loss the character will have to undergo to explain why a new player won't know WTF is going on, and why they don't appear before in the story, and I don't really see how this challenge is that much greater than bringing back an old character myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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