Ok, what are y'all opinions on the FCC

[Emperor Devon]

Oh, you had to bring up that evil demon's book.

 

Since it relates to your statement about words, yes. I don't see how you can advocate an anti-Nazi viewpoint when you claim words are "just words."

[Samuel Dravis]

Thats the most f***ing awful idea I've heard in my whole f***ing life.

Yup. Which brings me to another point: why have the bleeps if everyone knows what's being said? They always seem to leave the "eff" or "sh" sound in front of the bleeps just to make sure you're not missing out.

 

Curse words in the past was not always, consider profanity.

But other words were considered profane which are not now. Languages change, meanings don't. If I hear you using lowbrow language it's easy to dismiss you as irrelevant. If I hear you presenting a well thought out argument in clear language, hey, maybe I'll listen because it doesn't sound like a waste of time. Just my experience, that's all.

 

Mein Kampf, the principles of which you are so against, is nothing but words. It's not quite that simple.

Yup, which is why you can find that book easily enough. It really is just words. What you do with said words is another thing entirely; it's the ideas the words convey that are dangerous. I personally wouldn't consider cussing the cause of the destruction of society or whatever's popular these days, but it doesn't make a good impression. For instance, I might cuss if I did something really stupid or mindbending, but I don't ever cuss in front of someone I am not familiar with. Same with the internet... I can't remember a single time I've ever cussed on the internet in eleven years. I also can't remember a time when someone's even vaguely insulted my intelligence in that same span of time. I know correlation does not prove causation, but cussing most emphatically doesn't help out if you're trying to be serious.

[Windu Chi]

Since it relates to your statement about words, yes. I don't see how you can advocate an anti-Nazi viewpoint when you claim words are "just words."

Man, you don't get it, if we continue to argue about my anti-Nazi viewpoint, we are going to become adversaries.

 

So, lets end that discussion.

Ok, Devon !

[Emperor Devon]

I'm not trying to debate your anti-Nazi viewpoint, only how you can have almost any viewpoint when words are "just words".

[Windu Chi]

I'm not trying to debate your anti-Nazi viewpoint, only how you can have almost any viewpoint when words are "just words".

Ok, Devon !

 

I will review the modern profane words.

 

f**k=sex, now of course this word is offensive to some people; this society, well in this country(U.S.A).

at least, like to hide sex.

s**t=feces, worthless, now I don't know why this word is still censor on some networks; Star Trek DS9 use this word; captain Sisco.

p***y= similar to sex, female genitals; same reason for this society don't like the discussion of sex.

Now, me and you is just going to have disagreements, because I just don't like censors, in my T.V. programs.

 

Now other U.S.A bad words.

 

nigger=Of course, this is offensive to people like me; angery,violent reflex reactions if this word is spoken to people who are like me, with my brown skin color.

Not censor that often, by the FCC; This word don't offend me unless, I hear it spoken by a racist.

This is a built in instinct, from my up bringing.

My family had to deal with intense racism, in the past.

redneck/cracker=A poor caucasian person in the southern United States; this is offensive, because it have been linked with the KKK.

But not censor by FCC.

 

But for Nazism, I don't care, I don't give f**k, I hate their evil more then any other thing on this planet.

They are pure evil, and I hate evil.

The use of logic is not just going to work with respect to those demons, with me Devon.

 

I HATE THEM !

 

So, you got to understand I have extreme emotions release when it come the Hitler and the Nazis.

So, I'm guarantee to be bias when people bring a logical discussion toward that evil organization.

 

Now, I bet that guy Spider AL, will say I'm a troll because of that statement.

[Emperor Devon]

Now, me and you is just going to have disagreements, because I just don't like censors, in my T.V. programs.

 

Bringing me back, for who knows how many times, to the original point of why you want to hear swear words and see sexual/violent/whatever images.

 

The use of logic is not just going to work with respect to those demons, with me Devon.

 

Great, I'm not trying to.

 

Now, I bet that guy Spider AL, will say I'm a troll because of that statement.

 

Er, how does Spider come into this? We're discussing sensors, not his stance on you.

 

Yup. Which brings me to another point: why have the bleeps if everyone knows what's being said? They always seem to leave the "eff" or "sh" sound in front of the bleeps just to make sure you're not missing out.

 

I'd been kidding.

[Nancy Allen``]

FOR ****'S SAKE **** THIS ****!

[Windu Chi]

FOR ****'S SAKE **** THIS ****!

What is wrong, Nancy ?

[Windu Chi]

Bringing me back, for who knows how many times, to the original point of why you want to hear swear words and see sexual/violent/whatever images.

Because in real life there is no censors, so I like it when programs are more realistic; for example Deadwood, The Wire and The Sorpranos, no annoying censors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er, how does Spider come into this? We're discussing sensors, not his stance on you.

Just ignore that statement.

[Mace MacLeod]

Okay windu6, I'm sure 3 year-olds who walk around talking like Brooklyn longshoremen are a real stitch when they're your little cousins, but believe me, when you and the future Mrs. windu6 are sitting in a restaurant and it's your toddler talking like that, you're going to feel pretty stupid and embarrassed when you look around and see everybody staring at you thinking, "Geez, what kind of socially clueless, uncultured, backwoods rubes are these?!"

 

I really couldn't care less about swearing generally; the Sopranos is one of my favourite shows, and I'm pretty much one of the most lax parents around when it comes to watching 18+ movies and tv shows when my daughter's up and about, but there are a lot of circumstances and situations where foul language just isn't appropriate. In polite or formal settings, swearing is going to make you look clueless, inarticulate, and generally not intelligent enough to know when to keep your language clean or your mouth shut.

FOR ****'S SAKE **** THIS ****!

See?

This isn't about mindless conformity for conformity's sake, it's about having manners and being able to demonstrate that you can control your behaviour. It's a mark of maturity and the self-control that goes along with it.

 

 

And as I've said before, the FCC or similar body is needed to regulate what programming is appropriate at what times as determined by the common standards of decency and obscenity (inconsistent and fluctuating though they may be) in a society with evolving standards. This is why you don't see ads for 1-800-sex-chat lines on during Mr. Rogers.

 

Finally,

Nazis = bad

Hitler = bad, naughty, evil

Racism = bad

 

We've been up and down this in almost every single thread here, so let's just drop it.

[Windu Chi]

Okay windu6, I'm sure 3 year-olds who walk around talking like Brooklyn longshoremen are a real stitch when they're your little cousins, but believe me, when you and the future Mrs. windu6 are sitting in a restaurant and it's your toddler talking like that, you're going to feel pretty stupid and embarrassed when you look around and see everybody staring at you thinking, "Geez, what kind of socially clueless, uncultured, backwoods rubes are these?!"

 

I really couldn't care less about swearing generally; the Sopranos is one of my favourite shows, and I'm pretty much one of the most lax parents around when it comes to watching 18+ movies and tv shows when my daughter's up and about, but there are a lot of circumstances and situations where foul language just isn't appropriate. In polite or formal settings, swearing is going to make you look clueless, inarticulate, and generally not intelligent enough to know when to keep your language clean or your mouth shut. See?

This isn't about mindless conformity for conformity's sake, it's about having manners and being able to demonstrate that you can control your behaviour. It's a mark of maturity and the self-control that goes along with it.

Mace you don't understand, I don't give a damn what people think of me, I have been embarrassed in many situations it doesn't phase me.

I don't waste my time trying to impress other people.

 

I'm just not as culture as you and I don't care.

That is your environment, not mine.

[Samuel Dravis]

Here is an interesting PDF on the number of complaints about TV shows etc that were lodged with the FCC. Not many.

 

Windu, perhaps you don't care about being embarrassed or whatnot, but it affects other people's opinions of you. This in turn affects their actions towards you, and I imagine you will eventually discover that. I don't think you'll like it much either; being looked down on generally does not translate into job promotions or pay raises...

[Prime]

If anyone is relying on a government organization to help raise your children, lord help you.

I think it is good for them to help by providing information regarding what kind of content is included in a show or music or games. I'm not asking them to censor certain things, I'm asking (not telling) them to provide me as a parent information that I can use to decide what is or isn't appropriate for my child. When my child wants to buy a CD or watch a show, I'd like to be able to know whether it has T&A or explicit lyrics so I can decide whether she should be allowed to watch or listen to it.

 

If other parents or people want to access such content, great (I might sometimes). They should have access to it. But IMO it helps everyone to be made aware of what the content contains.

 

And let me tell you, your perspective changes a hell of a lot once you have children.

 

Mace you don't understand, I don't give a damn what people think of me, I have been embarrassed in many situations it doesn't phase me.

I don't waste my time trying to impress other people.

You don't say.

[Samnmax221]

Don't know why I didn't see this earlier. Parental responsibility wins, government regulation is bad. Just because censorship is Government sponsored doesn't mean titty ****ing will be shown on Primetime, people will not watch it, and they won't be able to sell advertising.

[Mace MacLeod]

Mace you don't understand, I don't give a damn what people think of me, I have been embarrassed in many situations it doesn't phase me.

I don't waste my time trying to impress other people.

 

I'm just not as culture as you and I don't care.

That is your environment, not mine.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Once the rebellion phase wears off and you've got kids of your own to worry about, you'll see things differently.

[Windu Chi]

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Once the rebellion phase wears off and you've got kids of your own to worry about, you'll see things differently.

Difficult to see, the future.

Always in motion the future is.

[Emperor Devon]

Because in real life there is no censors

 

And that matters about censors, how...?

 

If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear a clear base your arguments spring from. Mine, for instance, is that swearing is detrimental to children and is an unintelligent form of expression. You, however, have given no such basis other than your own opinions and irrelevent facts. The idea that there are no censors in real life is irrelevant; real life isn't always a nice thing. Hence how we attempt to change it, bringing in censors.

 

All I have seen so far from you so far are the following arguments:

 

Come on, it is just words, people.

 

I shouldn't even have to explain the lack of logic apparent in this. Given your previous statements about Nazism, it's obvious you don't agree with your own statement. For any later arguments, please use less contradicotry ones.

 

in real life there is no censors

 

I've already explained. Not everything should be like real life. Some things that have happened in real life I doubt even you would not care about children seeing.

 

I just don't like censors

 

The only relevancy opinions play in debates are the sides of an issue you choose. When you are arguing for it, logical reasoning and proof that your side of the topic has more merit is what matters. Other than your three main points, you've also brought up Nazis and Spider Al. To clear this issue up, like Mace said, Nazis are bad and are of no importance to this discussion. And unless he chooses to join in, Spider Al is of no relevancy either. Even then, it would be his arguments, not his stance towards you and trolling that would matter. Let's drop these off-topic issues, if you wouldn't mind.

 

I await a reasonable and actually debatable argument on your part. Not opinions.

[Mace MacLeod]

I await a reasonable and actually debatable argument on your part. Not opinions.

Emperor Devon, meet windu6. windu6, meet Emperor Devon. Have you met before...?

 

And in real life, there are censors, windu6. We are the censors of our speech and actions. Any adult with half a brain isn't going to walk into an elementary school and start doing a Richard Pryor standup comedy routine, is he? I do understand that you don't care about other people's opinions (much) now, but I also understand that one day, you'll be outside somewhere and you'll notice a bunch of kids way younger than you shooting their mouths off and you'll think, "Damn. Did I really sound that stupid when I was that age...?" The answer is: yes, you did. There will come a time where you'll stop saying, "I'm not gonna comform to your rules, man!", and that's when the miracle of maturity bestows upon you the wisdom to see why the rules are there, and why all us boring old farts follow them in the first place.

[Windu Chi]

And that matters about censors, how...?

 

You know, you ask a lot of how, why and what questions.

That is it, I don't know how more clearly I can explain it to you.

 

You, however, have given no such basis other than your own opinions and irrelevent facts. The idea that there are no censors in real life is irrelevant; real life isn't always a nice thing. Hence how we attempt to change it, bringing in censors.

Look man, I don't know what do you want from me.

It is relevant, it is my opinion, I don't like censors in my T.V. programs.

How more clearly can I explain it to you.

 

 

 

 

I shouldn't even have to explain the lack of logic apparent in this. Given your previous statements about Nazism, it's obvious you don't agree with your own statement. For any later arguments, please use less contradicotry ones.

 

 

I've already explained. Not everything should be like real life. Some things that have happened in real life I doubt even you would not care about children seeing.

 

Damn, I can't have my own opinions?

I have explained this over and over again.

I don't like no censor in my T.V. programs.

 

The only relevancy opinions play in debates are the sides of an issue you choose. When you are arguing for it, logical reasoning and proof that your side of the topic has more merit is what matters.

 

I await a reasonable and actually debatable argument on your part. Not opinions.

OK, Devon !

 

Curse words evolve from acceptable words.

So, it is a contradiction to label them offensive latter in the time the word is known to the society.

That is like saying, the word frack which is acceptable now by the FCC, will later become a offensive word if more people in the society deem it should be censor.

Now, for nudity well this is just ridiculous.

This was no big deal in the anicent past,

Why is it a big deal now ?

Another contradiction !

I believe some religions is the reason for the big deal for nudity.

For example:Well in the 20s-50s sex before marriage was a sin, also the male penis will fall off if they have sex before marrying, ridiculous.

Also when religion ruled most of the known civilize world back then in the Dark Ages.

Is probably when nudity became a big deal, in most civilize countries.

The Romans and the Greeks didn't try to hide nudity and sex.

Like the U.S.A. does now.

Religion influence the U.S.Aand also the FCC.

 

Look at Japan, sex central, not that many censors.

Nudity R'us and Sex R'us.

 

Now, for children they imitate their parents speech.

So, you can't keep blaming T.V. for curse words.

If the parent don't want their child to watch T.V. networks that don't have censors then lock the damn channels.

How hard is that?

Children going to hear cursing in public, because there is no damn censors

So, it maybe a futile effort to protect your kids from bad words.

Unless you lock them up in the house and bar them contact with the public.

Now, for censor nudity still ridiculous, I don't need to explain no more.

[Emperor Devon]

I've not looked through your entire post, due to how you keep saying 'this is ridiculous, I don't have to explain it'. Unless you intend to explain it and have something beyond opinions and irrelevant information in your arguments, there is no point in discussing this. I debate for fun in organized tournaments, and I can tell you that this is not a sensible way to have one. If you'd like to debate with me, do it properly.

[Windu Chi]

I've not looked through your entire post, due to how you keep saying 'this is ridiculous, I don't have to explain it'. Unless you intend to explain it and have something beyond opinions and irrelevant information in your arguments, there is no point in discussing this. I debate for fun in organized tournaments, and I can tell you that this is not a sensible way to have one. If you'd like to debate with me, do it properly.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but that is how I see it.

When I see something as ridiculous I laugh at it.

This society(U.S.A.) make to much of a big deal out of sex and nudity.

And the big out cry by some people about curse words is just a overreaction.

[Emperor Devon]

I see in this case my previous post has been ignored.

[Windu Chi]

I see in this case my previous post has been ignored.

No, it have not been ignored.

I have explain my reasons.

That is how I see it.

Man, you are giving me a headache.

We are just not going to agree on this point.

I don't like censors, you do.

[Jae Onasi]

Children going to hear cursing in public, because there is no damn censors

So, it maybe a futile effort to protect your kids from bad words.

So, with that logic, let's extend this a bit. "Children in the South are going to hear KKK-level racism, because there are no damn censors. So it might be a futile effort to protect your kids from racist comments."

Just because they hear it out in 'the real world' doesn't mean I also want it coming through on my TV. If you want to hear swear words and see the full monty, buy cable. I want the option of having my TV programs be free of cuss words and naked people having sex while my kids are watching.

At some point, we have to have some rules for society to function. If you want to be a rebel, fine, but don't expect other people to accept it or be happy about it. You will experience consequences for that, whether or not it's 'right'. For instance, in my office, we're expected and required never to use swear words (at least in front of patients). If we use swear words, in essence saying 'screw the rules! I can do what I want!', we run the high risk of getting fired, because most people find expletives offensive, and offending our patients means they leave and never come back to give us business again. I guarantee you I'll never hire someone who comes into an interview with me and uses swear words, dresses provocatively, has poor hygiene, or has a rebellious attitude, because if they're doing it in the interview, they'll do it on the job, too. In the medical field, all of those are business-killers, and we can't afford to lose business so someone can 'express themselves'. Well, they can go 'express themselves' somewhere else.

 

You've said many times you don't want a censor on TV. So, _why_ don't you like them?

And why should my kids be exposed to corrupting influences when you can go on the internet and get your 'visual needs' fulfilled and hear all the cuss words you want? Why should I have to be exposed to obnoxious and offensive porn just so you can have some fun, when you have the opportunity to see/hear it in a zillion other outlets? Just put Eminem or one of the gangsta rap songs on your I-pod--you'll get all the f*** you's you want in life.

If you don't like the censors, don't watch those channels.

[Windu Chi]

So, with that logic, let's extend this a bit. "Children in the South are going to hear KKK-level racism, because there are no damn censors. So it might be a futile effort to protect your kids from racist comments."

Just because they hear it out in 'the real world' doesn't mean I also want it coming through on my TV. If you want to hear swear words and see the full monty, buy cable. I want the option of having my TV programs be free of cuss words and naked people having sex while my kids are watching.

At some point, we have to have some rules for society to function. If you want to be a rebel, fine, but don't expect other people to accept it or be happy about it. You will experience consequences for that, whether or not it's 'right'.

What are you mad with me, Jae?

It is my opinion, ok.

I'm not trying to corrupt your kids.

Why do I got to defend my own damn opinions?

 

 

You've said many times you don't want a censor on TV. So, _why_ don't you like them?

I don't like censors on T.V. ok , Jae.

Also as I have already said, before it is more realisted that way.

So, if you continue to hate me, then fine.

And why should my kids be exposed to corrupting influences when you can go on the internet and get your 'visual needs' fulfilled and hear all the cuss words you want? Why should I have to be exposed to obnoxious and offensive porn just so you can have some fun, when you have the opportunity to see/hear it in a zillion other outlets? Just put Eminem or one of the gangsta rap songs on your I-pod--you'll get all the f*** you's you want in life.

If you don't like the censors, don't watch those channels.

 

Damn girl, you seem to be really piss with me.

What did I do to you ?

It is my opinion, Jae.

Why are you saying I'm trying to corrupt your kids ?

Damn, can brother have his own opinions ?