RaV™ Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 This basically can fall under for anyone whom doesn't get their fic noticed much as I am not trying to complain or gripe (maybe I am) I sorta feel that my fanfic has gone unnoticed by multiple people and I don't think it's because it isn't a good fanfic..Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Well, put a link of your Fic in your Sig and people might click on it and read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kas'!m Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I don't kno. No one reads my stuff either. At least no one except CSI Nihilus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arátoeldar Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I don't kno. No one reads my stuff either. At least no one except CSI Nihilus. If you cannot post using proper grammar and spelling. Then I refuse to even think about whether not I should read your fan fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The fact of the matter is, not too many people care for fan fics. The fics that we see with 1500+ views are ones written by the, shall we say, more socially accepted authors. I've noticed that a few people post in each other's threads, but nowhere else. There seem to be multiple FanFic 'cliques', and some people just aren't accepted into any of them. And there's really nothing one can do about it. Just keep writing, and hope for the best. But don't let that stop you. Don't be like me, and stop posting your stuff simply because you don't get as many views or comments as you'd like. It's too late for me, but you can stop yourself from falling into that trap. Write for you, not for 'fans'. If you cannot post using proper grammar and spelling. Then I refuse to even think about whether not I should read your fan fiction. Now, if that sentence isn't ironic, I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSI Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I don't kno. No one reads my stuff either. At least no one except CSI Nihilus. Thank you for mentioning me. Frankly, I don't really care how many people read my fic, I just do my best. But like Arátoeldar mentioned, Grammar is also an important issue, which, I agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Well, I know how some of you might feel. When I first started writing Fics, the only people who ever read my Fics were JediMaster12 and mach, since he reviews Fics after all. It doesn't matter who reads your Fics, just write them and have fun. And like the Doc says, not many people visit the CEC, but more visit nowadays then when I first started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 The fact of the matter is, not too many people care for fan fics. The fics that we see with 1500+ views are ones written by the, shall we say, more socially accepted authors. I've noticed that a few people post in each other's threads, but nowhere else. There seem to be multiple FanFic 'cliques', and some people just aren't excepted into any of them. And there's really nothing anyone can do about it. You hit the nail on the head. That's how I feel about a lot of things here. Also plenty of people have good stories going, but they don't get much credit because the more popular posters are posting something that may not even be that good. Well, put a link of your Fic in your Sig and people might click on it and read it. I did for a while until it got taken out for 'exceeding space and blah blah.' Combined double post. I think it was the picture you had, not the link, that caused the space problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Putting a link in your sig doesn't help. If anything, it just bugs people more than attracts attention to your fic. I was told that it made me look big headed when I put links to my KotOR Short Fics in my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 No respect no respect at all..It's weird exactly how people get so many views when it may not be too good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Well, at least the majority of the upper social class don't let it go to their head, and all of the people in the CEC are of the non-kerk variety. Some of them from Ahto, however, I could live without... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 I hate to say such, but if some people have more talent than I then i'm going to take a plane trip outta the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emalin Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 If I may post my thoughts...it helps everyone if we fanfic writers are actively involved in reading each other's works, posting feedback, etc. The great thing is, a lot of the writers here do that! Unfortunately, I haven't read any other stories yet. I intend to read them soon, including yours, RaV™. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Skywalker Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I don't kno. No one reads my stuff either. At least no one except CSI Nihilus. I read your stuff.... I just don't comment on it....... don't feel bad about that..... I've just been very busy as of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 If I may post my thoughts...it helps everyone if we fanfic writers are actively involved in reading each other's works, posting feedback, etc. The great thing is, a lot of the writers here do that! Unfortunately, I haven't read any other stories yet. I intend to read them soon, including yours, RaV™. Your missing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 OK, let's not start with bashing other forumites or I'll close the thread really quickly. I understand your frustration, RaV and Doctor, but I don't want it getting turned into something horribly negative. Like I said in the feedback thread, no one woke up one day and said to themselves "I hate RaV/The Doctor, so I'm not going to comment in his fics". Give people a little credit for not being that petty. The assumption that people are not commenting because they're being 'cliquey' is not correct. There are a number of reasons people don't comment that are entirely unrelated to being exclusionary. My chief problem right now is lack of time--I had a nightmare situation crop up in my history group in August and it's pretty much consumed me since then. I had a ton of things to research and write about on it--I wrote a 30 page paper on it this fall (wrote those 30 pages over a 10 day timespan, too. Ugh). Then I had to go out of town to give a report to the Board on it a few weeks later, and following that I had to deal with all the questions/fallout for the next few months--I've not had time to do much else until my term in office ended a couple weeks back. Then we started into the Christmas season, which is a big deal in my family with lots of decorating, cooking, spending time with family/friends, etc. Then a couple days ago my dad had a stroke (mild, thank God), so my time has been shot. JediMaster12 has a hard semester at college this term, JediAthos has a newborn, machievelli has had a lot of computer problems lately, people have returned to school/college and in December lots of people spend time with family/friends for the holidays (as it should be). All of these are legitimate reasons for people not to have time to post comments. Please don't assume malice when there may be perfectly good reasons for lack of comments. It is far more likely to be the demands of Real Life than it is to be something more negative. One thing I have noticed is the unwritten social convention that seems to have become a part of this community--if you comment in someone else's fic, they usually return the favor and comment in yours. It is not _required_ and I never want to see it become that way. However, we share works here, and if you want to receive comments, I would recommend to both of you to also give out comments and share your views on others' fics. This does 2 things--one, it makes people realize you want to be part of the community and be givers, not just takers, and two, it gives you a lot more name recognition with other writers. I don't get near the readership at kfm as I do here, and that's I believe for several reasons. First, much as I've learned in the last year, I have a lot to learn about the craft, and my work is not going to hold a candle against some of the other writers there (a number of whom are professionals in writing/editing), and that's OK. Not everyone's a best-selling writer; we all have skills and expertise in different areas. The best writers there get a lot of comments and rightly so--they're writing some amazing stuff, just like some writers here are putting out fantastic pieces. RaV, I have multiple college degrees, and I have some raw talent, but I still have so much to learn about creative writing it's not funny. It is not intuitive at all, and there're a lot of things I have to do to make my story-telling better. There are plenty of people out there in the world with more innate talent, or who've had their talent developed more by working at it for years. I'm OK with that. Being an author is not an end, it's a process. Even the best writers in the world strive to do it better with the next book. People who think they've mastered it all in writing are fooling themselves. Second, I write about a less popular character or subjects. Jolee's funny, but people like Revan, Carth, Exile, Atton, Bastila, and Brianna a lot better and they gravitate to those fics. Third, and probably most important, I don't have a lot of time to spend contributing to the community with all the stuff I've had happen in the last few months. I'm lucky if I get to read the dueling circle challenges, much less comment on them, and I'm hoping to be more active there in the coming year because I enjoy it very much. It's the same as here--the most active commenters tend to receive more comments on their fics as well. If you both take the time to read and comment in others' fics, I think you'll see the commentary in yours pick up as well. I can tell you the single best way to alienate people from reading your stories, and that's to complain publicly in your fics about lack of readership. It looks like sour grapes, and people don't want to deal with that. If you want to complain, send me or the other mods a PM instead, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by griping about how people won't read your stories. That drives people away instead of drawing them in. You gotta catch flies with honey. Doctor, quitting writing for lack of comments is sad, given your talent. If you don't feel like writing more fanfics, that's fine, but don't use lack of comments as an excuse to give up. That's not fair to anyone, including you. Contribute more to the community and keep writing and improving. Spending time evaluating others' works will also help you with your own writing--if you can catch the good and bad points in other fics, you can incorporate the good techniques into your writing and weed out the bad. Putting your fic list in your sig is fine. I have a link to my Jolee story, and I don't think that means I have a pride problem. Know that I read every single thing you all write here. I may not get to it immediately because of time constraints of being a mom and a professional (family and work come before the forum), but I do read everything eventually. Commenting takes more time for me because I want to offer something more substantial than 'good fic'. I want to explain why I like something, and it takes time to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Demonius Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I've read probly 13 or so fan fincs and only commented on a couple of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 As Jae has already said, not everyone has the time to read and critic on your Fic. I don't. That is why most of the time, my comments are "Good Chapter and I'm looking foward to more". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Pottsie, I hope that doesn't mean you're just putting something down to make a post. I hope you're at least reading the fics before writing that and actually feel they're good. If you're not reading the fics, yet you're writing that you think they're good, that's not honest to the writer and it becomes a meaningless (and spammy) post. Don't make a post if you a. have not read the work and b. don't really mean what you're saying. This is not a place to boost post counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Jae, you cannot deny that there is a clique factor to every aspect of LucasForums. You may not see it, but that's because you fit into it better than others. The fact of the matter is, friends comment in their friends' fics. Most of the time, anyway - I know that some of my friends don't post in my fics. Even when they say they'll read and comment. Kind of ticks me off, being lied to like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 There is always the aspect of the "clique." It's unavoidable. We're human, after all, and when we see something we like we tend to stick with it. This is one reason, for instance, a lot of people will buy only one brand of vehicles, regardless of whether it's the best quality brand out there. It's not always because, say, they dislike Fords. I don't read fanfiction often myself. I have this undeniable urge to "help" people with their spelling and grammar, and regardless of what people claim, they usually would rather not be corrected. I could go around the fan fiction forums here and give people oodles of tips on how to sound more professional, how to fix this or that comma splice. The thing is, though, that it's fan fiction. Nobody should need to be perfect. Although when I do find myself reading them, I often find a proofread or two could help immensely. But really, if nobody reads your work it's not because it sucks. After all, they'd have to read it to know that, wouldn't they? And you can always count on people to voice their opinions. This is a forum. If you really want people to read your work that badly, I would recommend passing it around to some of your friends, or your family. Or even an english teacher/professor. They can give you the criticisms you seem to desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Jae, you cannot deny that there is a clique factor to every aspect of LucasForums. You may not see it, but that's because you fit into it better than others. 'Clique' to me means a group of people that are intentionally exclusionary of others, and I have not found one single thread in CEC where someone was intentionally mean to another forumite or attempted to exclude someone. I try to be diligent in removing the very rare nasty posts that crop up as quickly as possible, and I know the other mods here in SWK try hard to do that as well. Unless people are gossiping via PM (which I doubt), I think you might be putting more weight on the clique theory than it might deserve. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I think there are other weightier factors to the comment issue than the clique theory. And I can see cliques (and they're not exclusionary in CEC), Doctor, but I'm at the point in life where I don't worry so much about what people think of me anymore. I try to be decent to everyone, and if they like me, fine, and if they don't, there are plenty other people in the world to interact with. The fact of the matter is, friends comment in their friends' fics. Most of the time, anyway - I know that some of my friends don't post in my fics. Even when they say they'll read and comment. Kind of ticks me off, being lied to like that. I don't know about you, but sometimes I'll agree to do something and get swamped and forget I'd agreed to that. I wasn't lying, I just forgot, and I didn't even mean to do that, and when I get called on it I'm usually quite embarrassed, because I don't like slipping up on my committments. I think it's that way with most people. A gentle reminder (I sense a reminder PM from Devon coming about the RP and the atheism issues... ) often will do the trick. We have a pretty decent bunch of people around here--assuming someone had a negative motive of lying when it might be a simple error/forgetfulness is not entirely fair. If someone agreed to do a review and didn't follow through, you can always contact them about it again in a tactful way. "Hey, you're probably really busy, but would it be possible to review the story by next week? The information will be helpful for me for my next chapters. If you can't, let me know. " or something along that lines can be helpful in jogging the memory--just don't nag after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Skywalker Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 You guy's are reading too much in to this....... people just don't have time lately to comment on a fic that they think is good.... the holiday's have just ended, so I will have more time to read fics, and I will continue to Comment on them..... but sometimes I don't have anything to say except "Good Fic, can't wait for the next chapter" because there is really nothing you need to improve on IMO, but other people always find something to complain about .... so no Jae, I don't use this place to "boost" my post count... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I disagree that there's nothing we can improve on in our fics. If nothing else, say _why_ you liked it. What drew you in? The characters? The scene was really well developed? It moved along well? The action was exciting? There are plenty of things you can say to explain why you liked something. Truthfully, we're all amateurs here except for mach, and there are always things we can improve upon. Are we using good grammar and spelling? Where did the story bog down and lose your interest or you felt like you had to just read past to get to the interesting stuff? Does it move so fast that you don't 'see' what's happening in the scene? Is the dialog awkward? Is the action not descriptive enough? Did you have trouble understanding why the characters did something, or why they're feeling the way they feel? All of these things are things you can look at when reading a fic so that you can help the writer become better. Knowing what worked well is just as important as what didn't work well, and we all should find something constructive when commenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quanon Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Listen to the wise Jae people ! I just have started recently with writing and drawing things for SW . I don't have a high count of viewers or many replies , besides Pottsie , CSI and some lost souls . But I did notice when I putted some links in my sig , I got more viewers . I don't see what so negative about that , most people here put links in their sig , it doesn't bother me at all . But I must admid they don't read much fan fics , I don't read everything from CSI or Pottsie , sometimes I start reading but forget how the threads title was ... besides most people are bussy here with their own Fics and it takes time to write . Just don't let it bother you that much or you'll end up with a very poor live if this is your attitude towards anything you do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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