Jason Skywalker Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Recently here in Portugal, there has been a great discussion about abortions. Registed people will vote this February on day 11. about whether the abortion should permitted or not. So, what's your view in all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I think nobody should have abortion, unless the mother is in an ill condition, etc. If she got pregnant from a one night stand, then it was her fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Adidas Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 well it depends on what's happening at the time if you've well done it and realise your pregnant and think. I DON'T WANNA BABY! then that's bad. Then if you've got problemsi n your family then it depends IMO so if in the right circumstances then people should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 This has been discussed before in several previous threads. My answer is still the same, Yes I believe women should have the right to abort. Under every circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 A woman should be allowed to have an abortion, but only if her life is in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Starfire Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I believe that NO one has the right to take an innocent person's life. Abortion is nothing less than the slaughter of innocent children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Again? This thread will not end well or on-topic - mark my words. Am I pro-abortion? No. Not even slightly. 1) As far as I am concerned, even the merest POSSIBILITY that a foetus is a living human being, and the life they WILL have, is worth too much to end it, no matter the reason. 2) A person must take responsibility for their own actions. 3) I believe ALL human life is sacred. That includes life that has not yet begun. A person who *will* be is worth just as much as a person who *is*. It requires a narrow attitude indeed to the fourth dimension not to see a future life as of equal value as a current life, IMO. 4) To quote another, "A life is a life, no matter how it begins. Why should that new life cease because of something not of its own doing?" 5) The effect upon the woman having the abortion can be quite horrendous. Please note that if there is a conflict between the mother's life and the baby's, I believe in the Principle of Double Effect, which allows for such an issue to arise. Biologically, there is little difference between a baby and a foetus. Shall we kill the born, too? FHL, y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Everyone who said no, all those points were what I was trying to say. Darth InSidious, you make the best points. How would you have felt if your parents had decided to have an abortion, when you in the womb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Everyone who said no, all those points were what I was trying to say. Darth InSidious, you make the best points. Thank you How would you have felt if your parents had decided to have an abortion, when you in the womb? Presumably, you wouldn't. You'd be dead FHL, y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Starfire Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yes!! Thank you, Darth InSidious! And you too, Topsite! You're exactly right. Abortion is legal murder, plain and simple. What is the difference between aborting a fetus and killing a person on the street? One day, that fetus will be a person on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 if a baby will in any way make the mother's life worse, no-one can tell her she can't have an abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Skywalker Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Although, keep in mind though that the government will have actions for rape. If a woman is raped, then she has the whole right to abort, independently of what the results come. Also, really? Dang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Kered Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I do not believe in abortion for the same reasons Darth Insidious posted. IMO, if a woman is raped then she should have that right to do so. But I still have mixed feelings about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Starfire Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Although, keep in mind though that the government will have actions for rape. If a woman is raped, then she has the whole right to abort, independently of what the results come. Keep in mind that two wrongs don't make a right. Just because something wrong and terrible happened to you, that doesn't mean that you should do something wrong and terrible as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yes, plain and simple, women have a right to decide what to do with their own bodies... Keep in mind that two wrongs don't make a right. Just because something wrong and terrible happened to you, that doesn't mean that you should do something wrong and terrible as well. How is it so wrong and terrible to NOT put a child into this world that the mother doesn't want, and every time she'll look at it she will be reminded of that first terrible thing, so what on earth is the point? Just because our "morale" dictates it or the law says so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Kered Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Keep in mind that two wrongs don't make a right. Just because something wrong and terrible happened to you, that doesn't mean that you should do something wrong and terrible as well. You've got a point there Aurora! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 So does the woman's life not matter at all? If she is in danger of dying, should she not be allowed to have an abortion? Anyone should be allowed to have an abortion if their life is in danger, or if she has been raped. A person should not have to go through the pains of childbirth and dedicate her life to raising a child that she does not want and never wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Still, I think It's kind of useless to discuss this as we are all male. Moral lectures are one thing but It's about the woman and the child. No one here knows what kind of feelings you have when being pregnant and being a mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Starfire Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The point is, that every life matters, including both the mother's life, and her child's life. If, as in your example, a mother does not want the child, or cannot afford to take care of the child, there is always the option of putting the child up for adoption. I personally know many people who would love to bring such a child into their home, because every life is precious, and to give an unwanted child the gift of a happy home, and most importantly, the gift of life, is the greatest gift anyone could give. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. And I belong to a large family, which is open to more life, and I know for a fact that there are few things that would make my mother happier than to be blessed with another precious child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I am a devout Christian and so biblically I should not agree with abortion, however if a woman has been raped, is the victim of child abuse or the child is because of incest then I believe a woman should of the right to choose if she wants an abortion. I have been unfortunate enough to see the effects of rape and the scars child abuse leaves on friends of mine and if they got pregnant as well, wether we agree or disagree I believe they should have the right to an abortion. Would you want to give birth to the child of a rapist? Psychologically speaking there is evidence that rapists have higher testosterone levels than the average male... so could the child go on to be a rapist? (its not a causal link, just an interesting thing to note, although the research into violent crime offenders is also contraditory like so many areas of psychology). So while I disagree with abortion in all other cases here I believe a woman has the right to choose due to circumstances well beyond her control being forced on her. And I don't think some of you should be so arrogant as to say what you would do in that situation, or as arrogant as to tell a woman who has been raped what to do, its their choice... who are you to tell them otherwise? My friends who have been raped will never recover; they carry scars that will last a life time, should they be made to have another scar? Thats not intended as a flame but as Darth Insidious said this is a conversation in which passions will run high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I am a devout Christian and so biblically I should not agree with abortion, however if a woman has been raped, is the victim of child abuse or the child is because insest then I believe a woman should of the right to choose if she wants an abortion. ~snipped~ So while I disagree with abortion in all other cases here I believe a woman has the right to choose due to circumstances well beyond her control being forced on her. I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Starfire Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 By suggesting that a child born of rape could grow up to be a rapist, you are prejudging the child, without giving the child a chance to grow up and become a valuable member of society. If you tell someone, over and over, that they are bad, or the son of a rapist, or would grow up to be a rapist, what is that child going to think of himself? He's going to grow up believing that about himself, and by believing that, he'll become that. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that an innocent child (who happens to be the son of someone who raped his mother) is going to grow up to be a rapist. It's neither fair, nor true. I'm sorry that such horrible things happened to some of your friends, and you're right, they shouldn't have to carry another scar, that of murdering their child. The psychological damage done to a mother who aborts her baby is catastrophic. And please, it's not "the child of a rapist". That child is the child of the woman who carries him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Kered Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 And please, it's not "the child of a rapist". That child is the child of the woman who carries him. It does take two to make a child though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmerman Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I am pro abortion in every single concievable circumstance. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body, and no male can say otherwise. A man's beliefs have absolutely no bearing on abortion, as we cannot have them. Completely for it in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 By suggesting that a child born of rape could grow up to be a rapist, you are prejudging the child, without giving the child a chance to grow up and become a valuable member of society. If you tell someone, over and over, that they are bad, or the son of a rapist, or would grow up to be a rapist, what is that child going to think of himself? He's going to grow up believing that about himself, and by believing that, he'll become that. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that an innocent child (who happens to be the son of someone who raped his mother) is going to grow up to be a rapist. It's neither fair, nor true. I'm sorry that such horrible things happened to some of your friends, and you're right, they shouldn't have to carry another scar, that of murdering their child. The psychological damage done to a mother who aborts her baby is catastrophic. And please, it's not "the child of a rapist". That child is the child of the woman who carries him. You may want to notice I said the link wasn't casaul... meaning there are a variety of reasons the testosterone is high, however men in prison for the majority of studies do have much higher ammounts of testosterone. I also sited that it wasnt a definitive point only that it could occur. I didnt definatly say they would become a rapist. My argument is they should have the choice... not you forcing ur opinions onto them. Scar, whatever they will be scarred; abortion carries a horrible price for a woman, but so would 9 months just to have a child adopted or the life sentance that would be bring up a child who would remind you of the worst day of your life. Why don't you have some compassion and allow a person who is a victim of in my opinion the worst crime around the opportunity to make their own choice. If you wish to advice them not to do it, do so. But the world is an awful place because people have their beliefs and try to force them onto others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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