neal8929 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 How did Vader know how to go glowy When he died? surely obi1 or yoda wouldnt have taught him cause he was evil. How did he find out how to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 It wasn't really a choice I don't think. The same way Qui-Gon learned how to do it probably. It was just something that happened I assume, and Luke was able to see him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Remember that Anakin didn't have a father, he was half human, half the force ie. the Chosen one, maybe he was destined to join the force with his consciousness intact from birth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripHammer Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Well along that same idea... Yoda tells Obi he'll be going into hiding at the end of ep 3... Yoda says he'll train him to communicate with his old master Qui-Gon... yet Luke was able to speak with Obi-Wan in ep 5 with no training whatsoever, right after Yoda kicked it.. Or even Obi talking to Luke while he sits in his x-wing fighter ready to blow up the DeathStar in ep 4. Are we to believe Obi is more powerful than Qui-gon and Luke didn't need any additional training because Obi was that powerful even in death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 ^^ Good points... Also, Obi-wan is the first "known" Jedi to to retain his form and consciousness after death, Qui-gon didn't fully realize this skill in time for his own death. I think Qui-gon was more of a whisper in the force, a bit like accessing a Holocron, where as Obi-wan was almost corporeal, not so distant from life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike322 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I think it's because you become one with the force and have acheived a certain level of skill. In the Redemption graphic novel Ulic's body disapears when he dies, even though he was force blocked. Vader probably had the skill, all it took has Luke to turn him to the light side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I think it's pretty silly... thousands and thousands of Jedi and none of them "accidentally" figure out how to turn into ghosts, but Qui Gon does? And yet, Anakin can still do it without this magical "training" that somehow Obi-Wan and Yoda need? Lucas claimed he was going to explain this Star Wars "mystery" but is explanation is weak. Seems it would have been better left unexplained... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fettscommander Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I read the supposed plot for sw ep 9 and it said "The Jedi meet at Yavin 4 to celebrate the defeat of the dark side. In the distance, Luke can see countless thousands of Jedi from every era appear as Jedi spirits". I think it has something to do with the dark side not alowing them to transform into the force, I don't know about qui gon but darth vader could have if the statement is true because he was not held back by the dark side. (I hope what I said wasn't confusing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDoe 2.0 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I read somewhere that because Anakin sacrificed himself to save his son, a selfless act towards another. The same thing Ben did. That would explain it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fettscommander Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 but what about quigon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 but what about quigon? Lucas has said that coming back as a ghost was a skill that had to be learned, Qui Gon realized this after his death and thus could not retain his form in the afterlife, he trained Yoda who in turn trained Obi wan what he knew and they completed the training needed to retain ones form and consciousness in the after life. I think like joe doe sad, his sacrifice and redemption earned his place in the force... that or because he was born of the force, he would die and return to it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Well, technically the cold dead spirit of Vader would be connected to the ones he trusted most. Barring Padme and his offsprings that would be QuiGon. I know it has been a while since they meet each other, but dude is the only Father Type person Anakin looks up to. So learning from a QuiGon ghost is possable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martmeister Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Let's face it: Lucas would redo Eps 4-6 if it weren't already ingrained in our minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike322 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I just assumed that Vader figured it out on his own because he was born of the force and had more potential than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal8929 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 This is interesting, in a book I read that when luke talks to obi wan, sometimes obiwan cant hear luke reply. stupid old people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I just assumed that Vader figured it out on his own because he was born of the force and had more potential than anyone. Thats what I said . On the ROTJ commentary, lucas just says that he retained his consciousness in the force because Yoda and Obi-wan learned how to... No further explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Allen`` Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 ^^ Good points... Also, Obi-wan is the first "known" Jedi to to retain his form and consciousness after death, Qui-gon didn't fully realize this skill in time for his own death. I think Qui-gon was more of a whisper in the force, a bit like accessing a Holocron, where as Obi-wan was almost corporeal, not so distant from life... I remember reading up on Aayla Secura and am certain that she and other Jedi (Mace, Shaak Ti, ect) appear as Force Ghosts. She also appeared to a doctor who was a really big fan of hers, though in this case it was a trick and not the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Shaak Ti isn't dead, and mace's body was never found, but I'm pretty sure GL's current canon is that Obi-Wan managed it first (Excluding ancient Sith and Jedi from games and books that he probably doesn't know about ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Always Wondering... will there be a Zombie Mace or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Always Wondering... will there be a Zombie Mace or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethonre Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 It's because, right at the end, he went to the Light Side. So he became "one with the force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 It's because, right at the end, he went to the Light Side. So he became "one with the force" I think the argument is, why can Vader become one with Force automatically, when Obi and Yoda had to train for 19-23 years to achieve it. It has been said that retaining one's consciousness in the force can only be achieved by lightsiders, but we know that Marka Ragnos was a Sith, and retained his, so I don't think light or dark matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 why can Vader become one with Force automatically Maybe because he was "The Chosen One". That is the only reason I could think of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Agreed, That has always been my reasoning; That because he was born of the force, he was destined to become one with it at his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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